WORLD VIEW: TURKEY, SAUDI ARABIA AND PAKISTAN SEEK ‘SUNNI UNITY’ VERSUS IRAN

[Umair Nawaz]

That is not going to work when Iran is supporting the godless Assad to murder 300 000 Syrian women and children. We simply can't stand behind that as principled Muslims. Today Syrians, tomorrow somebody else.

thats none of our business buddy.

 

[B@KH]

The world would definitely be a better place if Saudi Arabia have a leader that reflects the wishes of its people PROVIDED if Iran and its proxies forget the idea of eradicating Wahabism or attacking SA for reasons that last back to centuries or supporting tyrants as Assad. All gulf states and also Pakistan are fighting the extremist that are created by international follies of tyrannies and Iran should be more then grateful for it. ISIS has fought mainly with FSA and Kurds. not with Shias. Just imagine if the gulf states start supporting ISIS or similar outfit.

so one point we agree that change is needed in Saudi for a better world.

Do not forget GCC and Pakistan are partners of the International Follies in creating extremists. Now if they are going to Bite their creators then it is not IRAN's fault.

Asad is fighting the same terrorists/extremists that Pakistan is fighting too. Infact both Asad and Pakistan should be allies against terrorists. ISIS is covertly supported by all GCC+NATO+ISRAEL.

Islamic IRAN has the popular support from Pakistan to the coasts of the Mediterranean. IRAN is highly respected in Pakistan. there is no point to blame IRAN.

 

[ibo135]

* Pakistan is the most pro Iran society in the world according to PEW polls.

PEW polls also predicted Erdogan losing the Presidental elections. Erdogan is now President. Referencing a foreign American poll, the polls source country which has done much harm to Pakistan, is not sensible.

* Pakistan is a Sunni majority country which regularly elects Shia PMs and Presidents as well as commanders of Armed Forces.

The guardians of the secular regime in Turkey, the Armed Forces, the high ranking commanders are almost all Shia. Erdogan is cleaning out the Armed Forces. Cos things change.

* We have a 900km long border and centuries old trade relations with Iran going back to the days of the bronze age.

The same applies to Pakistan and India. Is Pakistan going to protect India too.

* Our language Urdu has a lot of Persian blend, so much so that our national anthem is in Farsi.

Urdu has nothing to do with Persians but with Turks. Persian words in Urdu also have nothing to do with Persians but with Turks. Also, Persian would be an extinct language if not for Turks. Pers were speaking Arabic, the supreme language on the planet, till Sultan Mahmud Ghaznevi, a Turk, conquered Pakistan, Afghanistan, Khorasan, Persia and revived the Persian language.

Persian influence: There are 40 million ethnic Turks in Iran alone. No ethnic Pers has ruled Persia for 1350 years since the Sassanids until a coup by Reza Khan in 1921. Reza Khan also known as Reza Shah Pahlavi. So much for Persian influence.

Turkish influence: Pakistan and Bangladesh are Hanafi cos of Turks. Turkish influence in Pakistan is immense and started from the Abbasids to the end of the Babris. Abbasid Turks, Ghaznavis, Seljuks, Mamluks of Delhi, Babris all ruled Pakistan. [Abbasid revolt began with the Turks of Khorasan. Army of Turks ended the Umayyads. Turks established the Abbasids with a Qurayshi Arab as Khalifa. Abbasids are officially Hanafi.]

Pakistan and Bangladesh need to return to their Abbasid, Ghaznavi, Seljuk, Mamluk, Babri glory and heritage cos so far Pakistan and Bangladesh have not been living up to their historic potential as powers in the region or the globe.

* Pakistan's relations with Iran may not be as good as our relations with Sudi Arabia, however they remain strong bilaterally and under ECO regional frame work. When Pakistan was a member of the UNSC, we voted for Iran on the nuclear issue.

Erdogan also saved Iran from the UNSC on the nuclear issue. Erdogan is going to do to Iran (and Saudi Arabia) what he is going to do. Until Iran (and Saudi Arabia) cease terrorism in the region. Cos things change.

SA and Iran are arms and legs for Pakistan. We are not going to pick sides. Our role is to keep SA and Iran from going to war.

The ideology of Iran (and the ideology of Saudi Arabia) have done nothing but immense harm to Pakistan and to our region as a whole.

@black-hawk_101 @SaG E Jillani88 @Paksanity @TankMan

 

[Pak Blooded]

so one point we agree that change is needed in Saudi for a better world.

Do not forget GCC and Pakistan are partners of the International Follies in creating extremists. Now if they are going to Bite their creators then it is not IRAN's fault.

Asad is fighting the same terrorists/extremists that Pakistan is fighting too. Infact both Asad and Pakistan should be allies against terrorists. ISIS is covertly supported by all GCC+NATO+ISRAEL.

Islamic IRAN has the popular support from Pakistan to the coasts of the Mediterranean. IRAN is highly respected in Pakistan. there is no point to blame IRAN.

Iran fault is supporting and backing the forces responsible for the instability in Middle East or even in Pakistan to an extent. Asad should be thankful to ISIS that made sure he remained in business or else the FSA and their allies were at his doors. ISIS fights mostly with sunnis and muslims. Assad had a pretty comfortable year with ISIS compared to FSA. and believe me Iran does not have the kind of support SA has. coz supports means u have to return the favor in some way or other and thats where Iran Lacks coz it needs Pakistan for certain banking channels (coz of sanctions) and SA is way ahead in the race as it has the economic muscles. I have met MOD guys and known Generals despising iran for the involvement in Baluchistan specially

 

[B@KH]

Iran fault is supporting and backing the forces responsible for the instability in Middle East or even in Pakistan to an extent. Asad should be thankful to ISIS that made sure he remained in business or else the FSA and their allies were at his doors. ISIS fights mostly with sunnis and muslims. Assad had a pretty comfortable year with ISIS compared to FSA. and believe me Iran does not have the kind of support SA has. coz supports means u have to return the favor in some way or other and thats where Iran Lacks coz it needs Pakistan for certain banking channels (coz of sanctions) and SA is way ahead in the race as it has the economic muscles. I have met MOD guys and known Generals despising iran for the involvement in Baluchistan specially

nor true. IRAN is not the supporter of FSA, ISIS, Qaida, Talian, LEJ, LET, JUD, JI etc etc etc

SA enjoys support due to Petro Dollars+Nato alliance. It has already purchased most of the mosques and madrasahs.

it is well known IF usa brush aside saud then ....... So Do not forget the saudi invitation and how usa came to save saud from saddam.

Iran is subjected to bullying by Saudi and its allies.
8 years of war.
sanctions
rejection and marginalization of Shiites.

this all is not going to work anywhere in the world anymore.

 

[ResurgentIran]

The world would definitely be a better place if Saudi Arabia have a leader that reflects the wishes of its people PROVIDED if Iran and its proxies forget the idea of eradicating Wahabism or attacking SA for reasons that last back to centuries or supporting tyrants as Assad. All gulf states and also Pakistan are fighting the extremist that are created by international follies of tyrannies and Iran should be more then grateful for it. ISIS has fought mainly with FSA and Kurds. not with Shias. Just imagine if the gulf states start supporting ISIS or similar outfit.

No one is talking about eradicating Wahhabism. At least not where it belongs (which is Najd or the entire peninsula for all I care), but rather putting an abrupt stop to Wahhabis trying to enforce their backward ways on other people outside ksa.
Other than that, may the Najd-derived ideology bask in all its glory in the saudi kingdom.

 

[denel]

Come now why point the finger always for the issues internally with isis/al qaeda etc on Isreal. My friend, these creations are the very product of your own lack of religious doctrine and literacy amongst people that imams with no foundations are spewing hatred against anyone and everything.

Iqbal says it very well, you are everything but ask yourself are you even a muslim. It is very true; i read his book and i found even nearly after 95yrs, nothing has changed, muslim society is in dark ages and every faction wants to take it even to further dark ages.

Stop putting the blame on others, look at yourself in a mirror.

Saudi, GCC are all part and parcel of the problem not the solution. They deliberately fund proxies and your countrymen are fools to follow their money trail. Go to GCC and see how they treat people from the asians countries; but when it comes to using them to fight their battles, then they are considered brothers. Really. Get a grip and grow up.

I support Isreal and proud of it.

No one is talking about eradicating Wahhabism. At least not where it belongs (which is Najd or the entire peninsula for all I care), but rather putting an abrupt stop to Wahhabis trying to enforce their backward ways on other people outside ksa.
Other than that, may the Najd-derived ideology bask in all its glory in the saudi kingdom.

Well said. push this ideology to the confines of the princes' gates. Salafists/Wahbism is a evil with no basis in reality - further used by the 'royals' idiots across the peninsula to keep themselves in power.

 

[MastanKhan]

The world would definitely be a better place if Saudi Arabia have a leader that reflects the wishes of its people PROVIDED if Iran and its proxies forget the idea of eradicating Wahabism or attacking SA for reasons that last back to centuries or supporting tyrants as Assad. All gulf states and also Pakistan are fighting the extremist that are created by international follies of tyrannies and Iran should be more then grateful for it. ISIS has fought mainly with FSA and Kurds. not with Shias. Just imagine if the gulf states start supporting ISIS or similar outfit.

Hi,

Regardless of what we think---Saudi Arabia indeed have leaders that their public wants---and they reflect the wishes of their public.

How about Pakistan----that is a country whose leaders do not represent their public---that is the country which needs leaders that can represent their country.

 

[wiseone2]

Hi,

Regardless of what we think---Saudi Arabia indeed have leaders that their public wants---and they reflect the wishes of their public.

How about Pakistan----that is a country whose leaders do not represent their public---that is the country which needs leaders that can represent their country.

" Regardless of what we think---Saudi Arabia indeed have leaders that their public wants---and they reflect the wishes of their public. "

I fell out of my chair when I read this

 

[salarsikander]

" Regardless of what we think---Saudi Arabia indeed have leaders that their public wants---and they reflect the wishes of their public. "

I fell out of my chair when I read this

Hi,

Did you break your hips? oh poor soul. You must be extra careful next time.

 

[Rakan.SA]

It is not right to blame IRAN for the problem. IRAN itself was subjected to wars and terrorism financed by the Saudi and its allies. the Only countries who are resisting removal of US sanctions on IRAN are Saudi+Israel. US can remove sanctions on IRAN but SAUDI+ISRAEL resist and do not agree.

Saudi even invited west to attack Iraq and remove saddam as he turned against Saudis. this has nothing to do with Iran.
Saddam invaded Kuwait and this too has nothing to do with Iran.

What is happening in Libya, Eqypt, Somalia, Nigeria etc. has nothing to do with Iran.

In yemen, syria, iraq the saudi funded terror networks are trying to takeover with GCC favour.

This will not be successful as such policy in Pakistan too will fail to marginalize a particular sect. What is happening in Waziristan and KPK and emergence of terror outfits has nothing to do with IRAN.

The world be Better once Saudi wahaism is GONE and a Revolutionary and popular government in Saudi takes over.

None can be marginalized otherwise it will only disturb peace and this is the thing which Saudi do not understand and have reached to the point where their own destiny and survival is at stake.

WHERE DO YOU GET THOSE FOOLS AND LAIRS FROM ?! man your head is messed up
1 saudi never attacked iran you. and i would be happy if we did.
2 saudi is being attacked by iran for 36 years.. the 2 most disgusting examples when iranians killed more than 600 ppl in hajj and then when they sent 52kg of C4 explosives with iranian pilgrims to hajj another year.
3 all the drugs smuggled to saudi are organized by iran and hezbullah and houthies. its not a secret some of them were caught. its public information.
4 iran has officially soldiers in 4 arab countries. do you understand the word officially ?!
5 iran supplied terrorist groups in qatif saudi arabia with weapons and training
i can keep on going on with a lot of examples..
the real question is what planet are you living in ?! cuz you dont know shit
if you think our government is the problem then i think you should thank god. cuz we the ppl are more conservative and aggressive than the government. if it wasnt for the government saudi ppl would be inside iran by now. including the rich. ppl from all classes would happily do the job. then we will hunt every iranian supporter down including inside pakistan even in MARS if we had too. so thank Allah that we have a mature responsible and wise government. that has tried for many years to solve problems with iran peacefully. and are still trying.
and for your information a lot of iranians sunni and shia are aware of how saudi government and ppl difrenciate between iranian ppl and the government. and that we saudies have a problem with the government not the ppl. and with time those ppl will get all the help they need not just from us but all the world to over through the gang running their country.
and for those thinking you shuld change the saudi government.. maybe you can when hell freezes first. we dont tolerate or allow anyone to interfere in our internal matters. not you not the UN not the world.
hmm no one here wants pic up the prize money and expose wahhabis ? you are only good at repeating the word like parrots

 

[ziaulislam]

Pakistan is a country that seeks united secterian front against the likes of ISIS. The foreign office has already rejected such silly assertions. Pakistan is pro Iran, Pro Saudi Arabia and Pro Turkey. Our role is to seek unity among the Muslim Ummah.

true, but the situation among sunni-shia is getting worse. it started with Bahrain and went to bad in Syria and worst in yemen when shia milita over took the Yemeni legitimate government

 

[MastanKhan]

" Regardless of what we think---Saudi Arabia indeed have leaders that their public wants---and they reflect the wishes of their public. "

I fell out of my chair when I read this

Hi,

Welcome to the board---enjoy your stay and---.

 

[wiseone2]

Hi,

Did you break your hips? oh poor soul. You must be extra careful next time.

hope you are being paid well to spew propaganda

 

[salarsikander]

hope you are being paid well to spew propaganda

Hi,
Ever since you joined this group, all I see from you is bullshit crap.

If you cant contribute, then its better to remain shut