World Muslim Scholars open letter to Al-Baghdadi.

[Ehsan]

World Muslim Scholars declare Ahmadiyya to be Muslims | Rabwah Times

Over 120 Islamic scholars from around the world, many of them leading Muslim voices in countries like Egypt & Saudia Arabia have issued an open letter denouncing Islamic State militants and refuting their religious arguments.

The 22-page letter, written in Arabic and heavy with quotes from the Quran and other Islamic sources not only denounces Islamic State militants but also resolves another key issue in the Muslim World.

Since 1974, Ahmadis have been forcefully declared "non-Muslim" under Pakistani law and this mix of religion and state has lead to an increase in sectarian violence. Extremist religious groups in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia have used the non-muslim label to ruthlessly attack Ahmadis.

The religious ruling as to who is Muslim and who is not has also claimed lives of Shia believers, In Pakistan over 1,000 Shias Muslims from minority Hazara community have been killed in the last decade.

But the Muslim leaders who endorsed the "Open Letter to Al-BaghdadI" plan to change all that, Point number 9 of the letter states:

It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.

a. Quintessentially in Islam, anyone who says: ‘There is no god but God; Muhammad is the Messenger of God’ is a Muslim and cannot be declared a non-Muslim. God  says: ‘O you who believe, when you are going forth in the way of God, be discriminating and do not say to him who offers you peace: 'You are not a believer, desiring the transient goods of the life of this world.
With God are plenteous spoils. So you were formerly, but God has been gracious to you. So be discriminating. Surely God is ever Aware of what you do.’ (Al-Nisa’, 4: 94). The meaning of ‘be discriminating’ in the above verse is to ask them: ‘Are you Muslims?’ The answer is to be taken at face-value without questioning or testing their faith. Read the full details

The letter was presented by Nihad Awad of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) on Wednesday in Washington. Few of the prominent signatories include:

• Dr. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri (Founder of Minhaj-ul-Qur’an International, Pakistan)
• Dr. Muhammad Suheyl Umar (Director of Iqbal Academy, Pakistan)
• Seyyed Abdullah Fadaaq (Islamic Preacher and Scholar, Saudi Arabia)
• Sheikh Wahid Abdul-Jawad (Fatwa Council Dar al-Ifta’ - Egypt)
• Prof. Sheikh Shawqi Allam (Grand Mufti of Egypt)
• HE Prof. Sheikh Shawqi Allam (Vice-President of Al-Azhar University - Egypt)
• Azhar Aziz (President of the Islamic Society of North America ISNA - USA )
• Sheikh Hamza Yusuf Hanson (Founder and Director of Zaytuna College, USA )
• Sheikh Mahmood As’ad Madani (Secretary-General of Jamiat Ulema-i-Hind, India)

 

[Kompromat]

Utterly misleading title.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

@Ehsan

What are "Ahmadis" and what is this whole issue of they being Muslim or not etc?

Can you clarify the differences that Ahmedis have with other Muslims? On what basis Pakistan declared Ahmadis non-Muslims?

Thanks!

 

[Ehsan]

Utterly misleading title.

how is it that the point # 9 on that letter does not apply to Ahmadis ?

 

[Kompromat]

@Ehsan

What are "Ahmadis" and what is this whole issue of they being Muslim or not etc?

Can you clarify the differences that Ahmedis have with other Muslims? On what basis Pakistan declared Ahmadis non-Muslims?

Thanks!

Ahmadis have a so called Prophet who claimed to be Jesus, Mehdi and some Hindu reincarnation all at the same time
They have their own ''Hadith'' from an angel who spoke English. They declare all other Muslims as Kuffar/Munafiqeen if they don't believe in that dude calling himself all of those things. It went on for a 100 years of debate and conflict and in 1974 Pakistan declared them non Muslims after a long public debate through an overwhelming democratic vote in the parliament.

I think that was unnecessary though. The state shouldn't be branding its citizens.

 

[Hurter]

@Ehsan

What are "Ahmadis" and what is this whole issue of they being Muslim or not etc?

Can you clarify the differences that Ahmedis have with other Muslims? On what basis Pakistan declared Ahmadis non-Muslims?

Thanks!

They consider their founder as 'Imam Mahdi' & 'Jesus Christ' which is totally non-sense. They have been practicing their belief for a long time now. They have been declared Non-Muslims many years ago by the Islamic countries & now they want to be recognized as a Muslim community.

Ahmadis have a so called Prophet who claimed to be Jesus, Mehdi and some Hindu reincarnation all at the same time
They have their own ''Hadith'' from an angel who spoke English. They declare all other Muslims as Kuffar/Munafiqeen if they don't believe in that dude calling himself all of those things. It went on for a 100 years of debate and conflict and in 1974 Pakistan declared them non Muslims after a long public debate through an overwhelming democratic vote in the parliament.

I think that was unnecessary though. The state shouldn't be branding its citizens.

But difference between Muslims & Non-Muslims should be made. Any Christian, Jew or Hindu would never call themselves a Muslims. So why these people are practicing their belief which is far far away from Islam.

 

[Kompromat]

how is it that the point # 9 on that letter does not apply to Ahmadis ?

Because Ahmadiyya claim of Mirza's 'divinity' is in direct conflict with 'core' beliefs of Islam. There are clear guidelines in the Quran and Ahadith about the Mahdi and Jesus. They are two different individuals while Mr Mirza claims it all for himself plus a Hindu avatar reincarnate as well. How can Mirza be taken seriously when he doesn't even know the fundamental difference between monotheism and polytheism ?... Mirza is NOT what he claimed to be - not at least as per the Muslim belief.

Its clearly stated in Islamic theology that when the Mahdi will appear its 'seal' would be that the opinion of two Muslims between his divinity wouldn't be different. We know the story from that point onwards.

 

[Ehsan]

@Ehsan

What are "Ahmadis" and what is this whole issue of they being Muslim or not etc?

Can you clarify the differences that Ahmedis have with other Muslims? On what basis Pakistan declared Ahmadis non-Muslims?

Thanks!

i would rather not go into religious debate here id rather have you visit the official ahmadiyya website by googling "IslamAhmadiyya" if you want to get the Ahmadiyya point of view rather than believing in what everybody says down here

Because Ahmadiyya claim of Mirza's 'divinity' is in direct conflict with 'core' beliefs of Islam. There are clear guidelines in the Quran and Ahadith about the Mahdi and Jesus. They are two different individuals while Mr Mirza claims it all for himself plus a Hindu avatar reincarnate as well. How can Mirza be taken seriously when he doesn't even know the fundamental difference between monotheism and polytheism ?... Mirza is NOT what he claimed to be - not at least as per the Muslim belief.

Its clearly stated in Islamic theology that when the Mahdi will appear its 'seal' would be that the opinion of two Muslims between his divinity wouldn't be different. We know the story from that point onwards.

i guess you still didnt read point # 9 you have please do so

 

[Kompromat]

Saeen they are talking about 'terrorists' killing other Muslims by branding them as non Muslims. There is absolutely no reference to Ahmadiya in this regard.

 

[Ehsan]

Because Ahmadiyya claim of Mirza's 'divinity' is in direct conflict with 'core' beliefs of Islam. There are clear guidelines in the Quran and Ahadith about the Mahdi and Jesus. They are two different individuals while Mr Mirza claims it all for himself plus a Hindu avatar reincarnate as well. How can Mirza be taken seriously when he doesn't even know the fundamental difference between monotheism and polytheism ?... Mirza is NOT what he claimed to be - not at least as per the Muslim belief.

Its clearly stated in Islamic theology that when the Mahdi will appear its 'seal' would be that the opinion of two Muslims between his divinity wouldn't be different. We know the story from that point onwards.

It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief. a. Quintessentially in Islam, anyone who says: ‘There is no god but God; Muhammad is the Messenger of God’ is a Muslim and cannot be declared a non-Muslim.

Saeen they are talking about 'terrorists' killing other Muslims by branding them as non Muslims. There is absolutely no reference to Ahmadiya in this regard.

and they have defined that whos Muslim and so are terrorists killing Ahmadi Muslims in Pakistan too same theory applies to Ahmadis and Shias many other Muslims consider Shia to be non muslims too

thats why it states in the document:

Some misunderstandings about takfir are a result of the
exaggeration of some Salafi scholars in matters of takfir (declaring people non-Muslim), and in
their exceeding of what Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Al-Qayyim have said in many important aspects. In
brief, takfir can be summarised correctly as follows:
a. Quintessentially in Islam, anyone who says: ‘There is no god but God; Muhammad is the
Messenger of God’ is a Muslim and cannot be declared a non-Muslim. God  says: ‘O you who
believe, when you are going forth in the way of God, be discriminating and do not say to him who
offers you peace: 'You are not a believer, desiring the transient goods of the life of this world.
With God are plenteous spoils. So you were formerly, but God has been gracious to you. So be
discriminating. Surely God is ever Aware of what you do.’ (Al-Nisa’, 4: 94). The meaning of ‘be
discriminating’ in

 

[Chronos]

Saeen they are talking about 'terrorists' killing other Muslims by branding them as non Muslims. There is absolutely no reference to Ahmadiya in this regard.

And the Extremists have already a penchant for killing fellow Muslims with equal zeal as they do with non-muslims.

 

[Jf Thunder]

our Religion base is that Muhammad (PBUH) is Allah's last Prophet and Messenger, and Ahmadis reject it, so they can no longer be part of religion

 

[Kompromat]

@Ehsan

Meri jaan, i have stated before that i am AGAINST the 'declaration' of Kufr over Ahmadis. The entire Muslim society has a complete consensus that they are non Muslims. It is forbidden in Islam to declare the 'Kalmia go' as non Muslims and i fully agree. My personal belief is that Ahmadis are non Muslims just like other Muslims but im against the constitutional 'tagging' which leads to criminalization and prosecution/persecution.

 

[Ehsan]

our Religion base is that Muhammad (PBUH) is Allah's last Prophet and Messenger, and Ahmadis reject it, so they can no longer be part of religion

do you even know the meaning of Shahda or Kalima ?

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله

 

[Jf Thunder]

do you even know the meaning of Shahda or Kalima ?

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله

genius, you recite the Second Kalima to enter Islam, and then you have to follow ALL of the religions teachings and not just recite the Kalima and say "wooptidoo" i am a Muslim