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World Bank sees massive job loss, dire future for Bangladesh economy

Read the following in the Indian media itself,

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India struggles but Bangladesh's GDP rides high on manufacturing, export boom
Much like China and other Asian giants - but unlike India - Bangladesh has achieved structural transformation with manufacturing and exports driving its growth in output (GDP) and employment
Prasanna Mohanty New Delhi Last Updated: October 30, 2019 | 09:48 IST


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Export contributes a great deal to Bangladesh's growth, contributing 14% to 20% to its national GDP.
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One fine day India woke up to the realisation that Bangladesh had overtaken it in GDP growth rate when the Asian Development Bank (ADB) updated its Asian Development Outlook (ADO) report in September 2019 - though this was clear from its earlier April 2019 report too.

What the update did was to revise Bangladesh's GDP growth for 2019 upward from 8% to 8.1% and downward for that of India from 7.2% to 6.5%. Further, it retained Bangladesh's growth forecast for 2020 at 8% but downgraded India's from 7.3% to 7.2%.

The official data of both the countries, using their own fiscal calculations, however, show Bangladesh overtaking India in FY18, as shown in the following graph.

That is because of differences in their calculations. Bangladesh's 'fiscal year' calendar is from July 1 to June 30 but that of India is from April 1 to March 31. The ADB uses 'financial year' and counts fiscal years of both countries differently - for example, for it Bangladesh's FY19 ended on 30 June 2019 but that of India will run till 31 March, 2020.



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Bangladesh growing rich faster and more equal than India

ADB's report shows Bangladesh is growing richer at a faster rate than India. Its per capita GDP growth overtook India's in 2017 when it clicked 6% growth compared to India's 5.8%. It would continue to grow faster in 2020 too - at 6.6%, compared to India's 5.9%.

Bangladesh is also catching up fast in income with its per capita GNI for 2017 reaching $1,470 against India's $1,800. The same for some of the other Asian countries are: South Korea - $28,380; China- $8,690; Sri Lanka - $3,850 and Pakistan - $1,580.


Bangladesh's income inequality is also less than India's

As per the UNDP's 2018 Human Development Indices and Indicators, its Gini coefficient, which measures income inequality (0 representing absolute equality and 100 absolute inequality) for the period of 2010 to 2017 was 32.4, against India's 35.1. The same for other Asian countries are: South Korea - 31.6, China - 42.2, Sri Lanka - 39.8 and Pakistan -30.7.



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It should, however, be kept in mind that Bangladesh is a much smaller country with a population of 161 million - against India's 1,351 million - and a GDP size of $274 billion - against India's $2.7 trillion - as per the World Bank data for 2018.

What has driven Bangladesh's spectacular growth in recent years?

Prof Selim Raihan of the University of Dhaka lists four major drivers and a minor one: (a) exports of readymade garments (RMG) (b) inward remittances (c) sustained growth in agriculture (d) growth in microfinance and (e) public investment in big infrastructure projects. Other experts list 'women empowerment' as well.

Structural transformation: Manufacturing and export-led growth

A distinguishing feature of Bangladesh's boom is strong growth in its manufacturing (industrialisation) and exports, unlike India's but very much like Japan, China, South Korea and other Asian economies.

A study by the ADB found Bangladesh to be among the Asian countries with the highest increase in their manufacturing share and output (GDP) growth during the 1970s-2010s, along with Bhutan, Cambodia, Malaysia, South Korea and Thailand. Its manufacturing has grown by a simple average of 10.2% during the past 14 years (FY06 to FY19). Analysis of data shows the services sector contributes most to the output in both Bangladesh and India while their agriculture is rapidly declining.



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For the purpose of comparability, the construction's share has been deducted from India's services sector since it is a sub-sector of Bangladesh's industry, not services.



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As the graph makes it clear, Bangladesh's manufacturing has taken off in a big way and contributes nearly a quarter to its GDP while in India's case it is still less than a fifth.

Consequently, Bangladesh's manufacturing is also providing more jobs. Agriculture remains the top job provider but services are fast catching up in both the economies.



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Garment sector leads the high manufacturing and export growth

History talks of the dominance of Dhaka's Jamdani muslin in world trade during the Mughal era, drawing in pots of gold and silver to the subcontinent from Europe. Since it required great skill, it was "costly and could be afforded by only the very rich".

Now Bangladesh's garments, both readymade and knitwear, are redefining its economy. Prof Raihan says Bangladesh has emerged as the second-largest exporter of garments after China and constitutes about 45% of its manufacturing GDP and 7% of total GDP. It is also the largest labour-intensive manufacturing sector employing 5 million people, 80% of whom are women, and the fastest-growing sector. It has contributed more than 80% to Bangladesh's total export since FY13.




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Export contributes a great deal to Bangladesh's growth, contributing 14% to 20% to its national GDP. The sudden dip in export for FY19 is because the data is up to March 2019 while the fiscal year ends in June.

What caused its garment sector to boom?

The country's status as a Least Developed Country (LDC) in the UN list - set to graduate to 'developing country' in 2014 - has helped in availing zero-tariff preferences offered by advanced markets like the European Union, China and Canada (India too accords such benefits).

Prof Nisha Taneja of the ICRIER points at a few critical other factors: (a) success in upgrading its RMG sector in the global value chain through backward linkages (b) establishment of large scale firms and (c) flexible labour market and low wages. Contrasting the scene with India's, she says though India too has developed strong backward linkages, its rigid labour laws and decades of restricting RMG production to small scale units inhibited growth of large scale units or achieve economy of scale.

Economist Prof Kaushik Basu has attributed this boom to discarding of the Industrial Dispute Act (IDA) of 1947. Both India and Pakistan inherited it from the British but Pakistan's military regime repealed it in 1958. This law, he says, has done more harm than good to India by restringing the ability of firms to contract workers and expand labour force.

Sustained agriculture growth

Another key to Bangladesh's success is its incredible resilience in the face of decreasing arable land, population growth, flood, drought and salinity induced by climate change to improve its agricultural output. It is fast-moving to achieve self-sufficiency in food production - producing 41.3 million ton (MT) in FY18 against the target of 41.57 MT.

The agriculture sector has been grown at an impressive (simple average) rate of 3.5% in the past 14 years since FY06, with the fisheries growing the fastest (simple average of 6.3%), contributing 3.6% to its national GDP and 25% to the agriculture GDP.

It is interesting that Bangladesh's services have been contributing more than 50% to national GDP and about 40% to employment and yet finds only a passing mention in its Economic Review of 2019 - which runs into 15 chapters and 271 pages.

The following graph highlights the top sub-sectors and their contributions to output.



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And now see things from space (or anything that does full 3rd party neutral analysis without going through any govt blab):

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/index.html

Oh right, a dollar is not a dollar because not all Taka are really the same worth, thanks to BBS mathamagic inflation norms (LDC GDDS gives lot of scope for it):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD?locations=IN-BD

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=IN-BD

But illiterate dullards can cherry pick same ole same old media blab they are dependent on (and will remain so), because they have worthless brain that cannot do basic critical thinking. Emotions must ride over facts.

When there is facts over emotions, there is generally a dead end....no follow up, people go silent, "95%" election triumph must prevail:

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/
 
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And now see things from space (or anything that does full 3rd party neutral analysis without going through any govt blab):

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/index.html

Oh right, a dollar is not a dollar because not all Taka are really the same worth, thanks to BBS mathamagic inflation norms (LDC GDDS gives lot of scope for it):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD?locations=IN-BD

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=IN-BD

But illiterate dullards can cherry pick same ole same old media blab they are dependent on (and will remain so), because they have worthless brain that cannot do basic critical thinking. Emotions must ride over facts.

When there is facts over emotions, there is generally a dead end....no follow up, people go silent, "95%" election triumph must prevail:

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

Not a big fan of Bangladesh but Dude learn basics of data modelling and "REAL ECONOMY" first before you use random websites to try to point score. WB country specific data is based on the 'data' provided by each country. So the WB data is only as good as what was "Provided" to them. It is a very well known fact that India has manipulated its GDP numbers for many years now for which it has been criticized many times. Now BD's data is probably over-exaggerated as well but the only sure way of knowing the full impact of Corona is in the next 12 months or so in the REAL ECONOMY. The crisis these countries are now facing purely relates to REAL ECONOMY, and it is very difficult to manipulated data when the Real Economy is imploding all around you.
 
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Not a big fan of Bangladesh but Dude learn basics of data modelling and "REAL ECONOMY" first before you use random websites to try to point score. WB country specific data is based on the 'data' provided by each country. So the WB data is only as good as what was "Provided" to them. It is a very well known fact that India has manipulated its GDP numbers for many years now for which it has been criticized many times. Now BD's data is probably over-exaggerated as well but the only sure way of knowing the full impact of Corona is in the next 12 months or so in the REAL ECONOMY. The crisis these countries are now facing purely relates to REAL ECONOMY, and it is very difficult to manipulated data when the Real Economy is imploding all around you.

Its specifically why I posted the current vs constant (real) comparison.

You can see which has drifted far far more on it by doing simply ratio comparison of the GDPs...(and think what would be the reason for BD to inflate GDP so much with foreign investment and market cap being anemic or falling).

Then compare everything of the sort like the NASA pics....free market and/or 3rd party stuff that has little to no govt scope regarding info handling ...be it macro energy input or market cap volume or consumption of specific final products of note (and all their trends).

There is reason why GDDS has far more scope for fudging intrinsically compared to SDDS standard. You can read up what a high frequency indicator is for starters.

Random websites ....funny way to put it....did you open any? CNN (using NASA remote sensing)....World Bank...and article by a top economics prof in BD.

As for "learning basics" you can simply check relevant posts in my positive rating profile to read up there.
 
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Not a big fan of Bangladesh but Dude learn basics of data modelling and "REAL ECONOMY" first before you use random websites to try to point score. WB country specific data is based on the 'data' provided by each country. So the WB data is only as good as what was "Provided" to them. It is a very well known fact that India has manipulated its GDP numbers for many years now for which it has been criticized many times. Now BD's data is probably over-exaggerated as well but the only sure way of knowing the full impact of Corona is in the next 12 months or so in the REAL ECONOMY. The crisis these countries are now facing purely relates to REAL ECONOMY, and it is very difficult to manipulated data when the Real Economy is imploding all around you.

I am confused. :-)

Chief Sanghi economist says India will be world's top 3 economies by 2025. So what does it say about the REAL ECONOMY of India? Is it as strong as he claims?

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...omies-by-2025-anurag-thakur/story/397259.html
 
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Its specifically why I posted the current vs constant (real) comparison.

You can see which has drifted far far more on it by doing simply ratio comparison of the GDPs...(and think what would be the reason for BD to inflate GDP so much with foreign investment and market cap being anemic or falling).

Then compare everything of the sort like the NASA pics....free market and/or 3rd party stuff that has little to no govt scope regarding info handling ...be it macro energy input or market cap volume or consumption of specific final products of note (and all their trends).

There is reason why GDDS has far more scope for fudging intrinsically compared to SDDS standard. You can read up what a high frequency indicator is for starters.

Random websites ....funny way to put it....did you open any? CNN (using NASA remote sensing)....World Bank...and article by a top economics prof in BD.

As for "learning basics" you can simply check relevant posts in my positive rating profile to read up there.

Dude, honestly the first link showing how big the cities have grown in india is nothing, and does not represent real economic "Productivity". People living in rubbish in a city does not mean they are adding anything of substance to the economy; example, what value can be added by drug dealers living in these slumps?

And what is the deal with simple comparison of India vs BD GDP? This does not show anything. Indian GDP of $2.9 Trillion is meaningless since what you really need to look at is the GDP Per Capita. So the GDP per Capita of India is US $2,000 roughly. The GDP of BD per Capita is US $1,700 roughly. As you can see there is a difference of only 15% approximately. Another example is of UK having a GDP of $2.8 Trillion with population of only 67 million - that is GDP per capita of $43,000!

And this is where we need to keep an eye out over the next few months - GDP Per Capita - to ascertain the impact of this economic down turn on the 'Real Economy'. Any deviations in "Consumption" will have a much impact on India due to its large 1.3 Billion people vs BD with 220 Million people. But lets wait and see.
 
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Dude, honestly the first link showing how big the cities have grown in india is nothing, and does not represent real economic "Productivity". People living in rubbish in a city does not mean they are adding anything of substance to the economy; example, what value can be added by drug dealers living in these slumps?

And what is the deal with simple comparison of India vs BD GDP? This does not show anything. Indian GDP of $2.9 Trillion is meaningless since what you really need to look at is the GDP Per Capita. So the GDP per Capita of India is US $2,000 roughly. The GDP of BD per Capita is US $1,700 roughly. As you can see there is a difference of only 15% approximately. Another example is of UK having a GDP of $2.8 Trillion with population of only 67 million - that is GDP per capita of $43,000!

And this is where we need to keep an eye out over the next few months - GDP Per Capita - to ascertain the impact of this economic down turn on the 'Real Economy'.


Why are you bothering with the troll as he will just come back and claim that BD makes up it's figures next?

You are just wasting time with this creature.
 
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Why are you bothering with the troll as he will just come back and claim that BD makes up it's figures next?

You are just wasting time with this creature.

He is good knowledgeable guy, and his posts in the Army Section are good. But I think he likes the "spicy" stuff on this forum just like me. :-)
 
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Dude, honestly the first link showing how big the cities have grown in india is nothing, and does not represent real economic "Productivity". People living in rubbish in a city does not mean they are adding anything of substance to the economy; example, what value can be added by drug dealers living in these slumps?

LOL. OK. Electricity consumption means nothing correlated to GDP...especially GDP growth. Got it lol. Maybe write an economic thesis on that haha...see how far you get.

You understand this has been correlated a long time for multiple countries (versus actual real growth)? Do you even know the world's R^2 value for it?...and why its often used when economic data is shoddy or non-existent.

I'm just asking shouldn't BD at least be growing in obvious urbanisation+light (at some basic fashion compared to India) if they have fantastic 8% claimed growth that the BD professor in article says:

The current feeling of consternation originates largely from the fact that macroeconomic data, such as economic growth rate, is frequently not consistent with other data, such as credit, export and import etc. with which they are supposed to be correlated.

Why does BD have obvious problem bringing its economic growth "to the light" (literally) and "on the books"? Query such things as their tax collection and also market cap. The %'s are so low (for even developing country standard) only due to collection side rather than having an inflated denominator (GDP) too? Don't think so.

Occam's razor would be if half the "real" growth (in Taka later converted to USD on such a small basis of trade, mostly given at 0% freebie tariff too) or more is simply inflation.

That would not count as real in any other country (especially those that trade lot more and diversely without LDC freebie 0-tariffs for uni-sectors) especially those with SDDS standards and actual high frequency indicators to begin with....then the remote sensing picture from BD correlated to India and the world makes more sense.

Its just one example.

You can confirm more with basic energy consumption (want me to post the BP data on it?) since energy consumption (per capita if you want) is a macro input to every part of real economy.

You can confirm with the BD media saying they will or are already exporting this this and that "new manufactured non RMG item" to whatever country. Then you simply check in the world trade figures a year or two later and its a big fat zero. Lo and behold, no follow up from their media on it, they already moved on to the next charade that BBS/BAL directed them to.

Its any surprise when they base their political foundation intrinsically on a hoax 3 million number? Just ask yourself that too....what would be the credibility of such a country on other matters....suddenly it starts there?

Its very clear if you follow the stagnant credit rating and extremely low foreign investment, the BAL govt simply inflates the GDP as much as it can (GDDS standard and ZERO high frequency indicators help with that immensely) so that it can borrow more money for its political dynasty nepotism and all the corrupt lackeys surrounding it....rather than actually improve and reform things to help their credit rating and attract quality investment.

Launder inflation into GDP and borrow more loans...is simply the easier, trivial route for "economy" of corrupt country that can produce 95% seat win results at snap of fingers to also have some similar trivial allegiance to "democracy".

There is reason why they rank in corruption index where they do compared to Pakistan and India. You can look that up too.

All I'm saying if you restrict to comparing economic evidence/numbers that have ZERO or minimal govt hands touching them....BD does really badly.

Just look at what happened to their market cap (free market activity that should be growing and zooming at such a low base if economy is growing at 7%+ claim) recently last year.

They are thus obviously extremely reliant on govt fluff.

Heck per capita, they are consuming energy less than India and Pakistan did in the 60s.


And what is the deal with simple comparison of India vs BD GDP?

The point was to compare the current vs constant (since the latter applies underlying relative inflation found in the country).

If the ratio is 70% (constant/current) for one country but near to 100% for another. What does that tell you from the get go? Simple question.

Besides @ARMalik , you can also read these to get idea (how data frequency and inflation definition play a role in "real GDP" data when you have different standards at play) of some the underlying stuff I brought up before:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/wb-doubts-7-65pc-gdp-growth-estimate.552983/#post-10403712

From your PDF retired mod:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bang...g-pakistan-behind.556972/page-9#post-10474368
 
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I'm just asking shouldn't BD at least be growing in obvious urbanisation+light (at some basic fashion compared to India) if they have fantastic 8% claimed growth that the BD professor in article says:
Bringing up all the blood to the face is India style development that resulted in no toilet for the poor. Our policy is to circulate the blood almost evenly throughout the body. Indian govt supports the very rich and our govt supports the social/economic uplifting of our very poor. You see the difference!!
 
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Bringing up all the blood to the face is India style development that resulted in no toilet for the poor. Our policy is to circulate the blood almost throughout the body. Indian govt supports the very rich and our govt supports the social/economic uplifting of our very poor. You see the difference!!

We rather measure the problem accurately and fix it, rather than make it go away on paper only.

Its clear BD govt lies, it (stupidly) forgot to fake its handwashing+water hygiene rate to keep up with "100% ODF":

https://data.unicef.org/topic/water-and-sanitation/sanitation/

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35% basic hygiene with 100% ODF. Please find another country in list with this level of discrepancy (everyone else is more or less the same for both). Find just one.

This is what you can expect from 95% seats won result country that still prosecutes people if they doubt the 3 million number and went so far as to make this forum ILLEGAL to access in BD (have to use VPN) because of it.

Fake numbers and butthurt lying corrupt attitude there, fake numbers and butthurt lying attitude everywhere.

It is why BD people do as they do once they are in foreign shores (earn worse than haitians, have the worst poverty, education and health by far).

No more Bangal-BS (BBS) and BAL-tard family nepotism stronk to fake the reality (on paper) for feel good.

But congrats, you managed to open the account in USPTO again with 1 patent filing after cpl years of ZEROS. Such a smart industrious people...especially when you bring to neutral credible setting.
 
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We rather measure the problem accurately and fix it, rather than make it go away on paper only.
You talked about your superficial urban development with bright lights in rich homes and I said about almost equal development throughout BD so that everyone can afford basic amenities like toilet.

Now, you as usual have flooded with your superficial data that do not say about the affordability of your poor. No wonder, with people like your mindset at top India remains at the lowest rung of underdevelopment even after 3/4 century of independence.

India is a shame to South Asia. It is unable to show paths to its neighbors.
 
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I don't normally waste time refuting this Gadha Sanghi cockroach but one thing needs to be made clear about the NYC Bangladeshis poverty rate he harps on - which he says is the lowest among all ethnic groups.

Even illiterate Bangladeshis without a shred of education living in NYC would be able to buy and sell this Sanghi Gadha (with a one-dimensional supposedly 'academic' brain) ten times over, with their actual income. These folks are resilient survivors.

And even cab driver's lifestyles are far richer than these kanjoos H1B Sanghis.

They don't give two $hits about Sanghis, just let him try to go deal with them sometimes by saying the same things he says here. Thappad maarke woh daant nikaal denge tera. Gadha should be thankful that he's dating or is married to a Bangladeshi girl. We are normally polite but don't need Ch*t*a damaat like this.

Bangladeshis aren't idiots - most of their income is never documented. What do Sanghis take Bangladeshis for??

Official stats show nothing - I know this for a fact as all Bangladeshis do. Even cab drivers from NYC own at least three to four apartments or condos in Bangladesh by now.

Why doesn't this Gadha ask his Bangladeshi girlfriend or wife about this? He will easily find out.

Fact is - probably this Gadha already knows - and conveniently thinks he's fooling us....
 
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I don't normally waste time refuting this Gadha Sanghi cockroach but one thing needs to be made clear about the NYC Bangladeshis poverty rate he harps on - which he says is the lowest among all ethnic groups.

Even illiterate Bangladeshis without a shred of education living in NYC would be able to buy and sell this Sanghi Gadha (with a one-dimensional supposedly 'academic' brain) ten times over, with their actual income. These folks are resilient survivors.

And even cab driver's lifestyles are far richer than these kanjoos H1B Sanghis.

They don't give two $hits about Sanghis, just let him try to go deal with them sometimes by saying the same things he says here. Thappad maarke woh daant nikaal denge tera. Gadha should be thankful that he's dating or is married to a Bangladeshi girl. We are normally polite but don't need Ch*t*a damaat like this.

Bangladeshis aren't idiots - most of their income is never documented. What do Sanghis take Bangladeshis for??

Official stats show nothing - I know this for a fact as all Bangladeshis do. Even cab drivers from NYC own at least three to four apartments or condos in Bangladesh by now.

Why doesn't this Gadha ask his Bangladeshi girlfriend or wife about this? He will easily find out.

Fact is - probably this Gadha already knows - and conveniently thinks he's fooling us....

It's not so much the present economics of these Bengali immigrants. (although what you say is mostly true)

It's their kids.

They will do very well in the years to come inshAllah.

I'm not sure what his particular beef is with Bengalis in the multitude of blanket insults he posts.
 
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