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Agnostic Aik chez batao

This is the problem here. The work of Social Media and other news outlets cannot be understated in bringing serious issues to light but the problem is the limitation in place which is that only those cases get some semblance of proper treatment that get media limelight. Now why is that? because the police is pressured to invesitgate, you have bureaucracy running around, you have CM/PM calling and you have political statements and activists are standing and protests and what not and all this is fine but it is only fine in respect to the limitation of the case in highlight.

What about the other thousands of cases? I know this and i see this everyday. So many cases where the police neither investigates in a correct fashion nor protects the victim. The CCPO statement may piss off half the world but are all of them aware that his statement is a mere product of the culture that is in the police. Police blames the victim.

"My brother was murdered by our enemies." They respond with an eye roll, "Acha, this is old family feud." Bring this scenario to every penal case. Let me say on Public Hangings as well while we are at the topic. They will not help at all. I support the Deterrent theory in Punishment. I support that legal concept however the problem is not make a scene of the punishment, which we cant not just because the SC itself has declared it as such but also UN as well. We cant do that. This is again avoiding the real issue. Why? because those sitting in the parliament and in Parliamentary affairs know that it is far easier to talk about public hangings and passing resolutions than to actually do anything that will empower the legal system since this requires actual effort and most such an important legal framework will be met with opposition.

Let me give you an Example. DNA evidence. In Pakistan DNA evidence is considered as secondary evidence since it has corroborative nature. A decade ago or two ago, it didnt even have this value. When the forensic world was being revolutionized with DNA evidence, we were busy making Rape investigations even harder.
In criminal law, the DNA evidence or forensic evidence are considered as expert opinion. The evidence thus cannot be used as primary evidence such Oral evidence. So basically we have a witness that will state "Rape happened" and then point to the DNA report and state that i am being corroborated with such. The Problem comes when it states that in absence of Primary evidence, case cannot be decided based on secondary evidence. You see courts stretch in Rape cases but alot of time, people get acquitted based on such legal loophole. The court has went the extra mile in this like inIn Salman Akram Raja v Government of Punjab, the Supreme Court of Pakistan made an attempt to remedy the lack of a specialized legal framework for utilization of DNA evidence. The Court directed that DNA tests be conducted in all sexual offences, and that DNA samples be preserved as well. This case was public interest litigation initiated by the Court suo moto in response to an attempted suicide by a minor victim of rape on her failure to get her complaint registered against influential offenders. Concerning DNA, the Court observed that it provided
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a means of identifying perpetrators with [a] high degree of confidence… and by using DNA technology the courts would be in a better position to reach at a conclusion whereby the real culprit would be convicted, potential suspects would be excluded and wrongfully involved accused would be exonerated."

However the courts cannot leave the ambit of prescribed law thus the court was also forced to state that DNA evidence is not infallible and should not be taken as a conclusive proof. It should always be acted upon after corroboration from other pieces of evidence. This caution is appropriate and timely as sometimes people indulge in exaggerating DNA’s accuracy. DNA evidence is ‘largely rooted in probabilities, even a confirmed “match” does not supply concrete proof of guilt’.

Another example of the court leaving stretching the law to empower DNA evidence In Zulfiqar Ali v The State, an unmarried girl was sexually assaulted twice by her own father before marriage, but she was reluctant to report it due to family pressure and the adverse effects it would have on her marriage prospects. However, after being assaulted for the third time, she decided to report it to police by registering a First Information Report (‘FIR’). The version of the victim’s story was fully supported by her mother, who was aware of the abuse. Their statements were found to be convincing and were corroborated by the reports of the chemical examiner and a DNA test. The only adverse factor in the narrative presented by the prosecution was of the delay in the registration of the FIR, which was plausibly explained. In these circumstances, the Court convicted the accused of rape.

In Imran alias Manoo v The State, a woman was kidnapped and raped. An FIR was lodged after an unexplained delay of eight days. The medical examiner found the hymen of the victim to have been torn earlier than the alleged incident. The statement of the victim did not inspire confidence, and was insufficient in establishing the accused’s guilt. In these circumstances, the Lahore High Court maintained the conviction after reducing the imprisonment awarded by the trial court on the basis of the evidence of a doctor who examined the victim and a positive DNA report.
In both these cases, DNA evidence was utilized as corroboratory evidence but was given greater importance to convict the accused and this was stretching the law because the law clearly states that secondary evidence cannot be utilized in a manner which can detail the conviction. It cannot be the center.

Another example and i will continue to procedural aspects. In Shakeel Nawaz v The State, the Court refused to rely on a DNA report and acquitted the accused because the test was not conducted by a laboratory notified by the government. In government labs you have huge waiting time, absolute breakdown of system and non-cooperative staff. It was this action that prompted the Women protection bill of 2016 that amended the process quite a bit to make DNA tests easier and that amendment went through hell to be passed. You had clerics and interest driven groups demanding that such an amendment will ruin the system but it did not. It made things easier, it made it easier to get evidence because it is the job of the prosecution to get that evidence into court, to get that expert opinion and expert into court. Half dont even answer when you call them! In many cases, you have too much time passed and the evidence becomes flimsy.

Now another problem is that the nature of secondary evidence allows for court to not punish the DNA agency for non-conducting or demand the prosecution to conduct it right but treat it as 'Further investigation and Further evidence' and you have Bails that are filed on this. The forensic evidence portion of our evidence law requires extreme amendments but here is the thing. If we attach DNA analysis and Finger Prints and other evidence as primary and absolute in all cases then it will be opposed just like DNA is opposed by clerics, conservatives and many interest driven groups. They have repeatedly fought against making DNA evidence a primary evidence in rape law or have fought against keeping of register of offenders and DNA samples since they fight against any such legislation. A very valuable scientific evidence is being ignore simply because you dont have the legal framework. So rather than wasting time with public hangings pass two major amendments.

1. Make rape a death offence. You just have to amend the penal code.

2. Add DNA as primary evidence and then amend the Rape legal procedure where the burden of bringing evidence is lifted from Prosecution and is given to the court so that we can grab those experts and the police officers by the ear and bring them to court.

This would go a long way in preventing Rape accused from circumventing the system and would allow for justice to be given to those thousands of souls who do not get the media highlight

@waz there is nothing more horrifyingly deserted than Motorway at night and ring road is also pretty deserted. Thieves and bandits use it as a perfect means for banditry and recently i am seeing an uptick in trend where the there is theft or dacoity and they rape any woman they find and i dont know what the hell is going on with his but apart from legal changes, we also need societal changes. Police being professional would go a long way to be honest
 
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This society is rotten to its core, it will several generations to fix this society... more than 30-40 years. Not a few years will these pathetic people mindset. I have lost all hope in Pakistan, people victim blaming in a rape incident or support killers in a blasphemy/sectarian case... everything goes on here. The best thing for me is to run tf away from here because in my lifetime this country is never getting fixed with a government right now hell bent on bringing china level of censorship to Pakistan.

This society was rotten to its core since inception of this country, we still have those land lords who would have sold Pakistan if any Pakistan prime minister (Even the most powerful person like Ayub khan tried and failed) brought in land reforms or we have those mullahs who would have also told Quaid to piss off if he didn't appease to them saying this country is exclusively for muslims in many speeches.

This country is rotten to its fucking depths. No one knows who to fucking believe anymore, army or everybody else? Is our army controlling the country since its inception? Is our army corrupt? Is our army not letting democracy flourish? Guess what? Its time for me to not care anymore and move the **** on. We all have to live our own lives, its time we drop this nationalistic act and only focus on ourselves. Stop trying to fix something unfixable.
 
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So it's clear that if one is stuck in the middle of nowhere, he should never call police in Pakistan. Instead, call a friend who has a gun and a fast vehicle.

Some update from my side, last day I left office every early to travel back to Pindi, since I am in DHA 5, so ring road is the nearest connection to motorway. When I reached the toll plaza of Lahore Sialkot motorway off ring road there were about 30 odd police vehicles and dozens of haramkhors in the uniform of Punjab Police, on person stood out and you could tell him as a disgusting fat p*g and that's the CCPO when I asked one of the guys they told me that CCPO is doing investigation, well some investigation with 30 vehicles and 80-90 policemen to guard the fat p*g.

About a kilometre from the toll plaza on left side about 6 media vans were covering, there was one media channel with whom I have good link and they told me it was the spot, what is extremely disturbing for me was to note that the spot was in clear eyesight from the Toll plaza where dozens of employees and guards are stationed and it happened before their eye sight and they did nothing, that is why I call this fauji organization Pakistan's biggest bhatta group every toll plaza is under their control they are there only to mint money and they feel zero responsibility. While we can debate and curse motorway police and punjab police but what is shameful is the disgusting conduct of the fauji organization who is making money, shoving its propaganda down our throats "making the highways safe" and when the time came a women was exposed to horrendous crime within their eyesight.

FWO was given a call btw and they did nothing. This is the part of motorway where you wont see any police patrol rather motorcyclists, cyclists, chingqi rickshaws an yesterday I saw donkey carts coming from the wrong side, I know it is easier to blame punjab police despite my reservation about them but FWO must not be collecting Toll Tax if this part of the road is infested with all sort of traffic hazards and that they are so apathetic to normal Pakistanis that a women is raped within their very eyesight.
 
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I’m not sure if any of you guys have driven on the motorway. I traveled in January from Bahawalpur to Lahore on the M3 motorway and there are cops every five minutes of driving whether it’s day or night. It’s obvious the motorway police are complicit or involved.
 
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Some update from my side, last day I left office every early to travel back to Pindi, since I am in DHA 5, so ring road is the nearest connection to motorway. When I reached the toll plaza of Lahore Sialkot motorway off ring road there were about 30 odd police vehicles and dozens of haramkhors in the uniform of Punjab Police, on person stood out and you could tell him as a disgusting fat p*g and that's the CCPO when I asked one of the guys they told me that CCPO is doing investigation, well some investigation with 30 vehicles and 80-90 policemen to guard the fat p*g.

About a kilometre from the toll plaza on left side about 6 media vans were covering, there was one media channel with whom I have good link and they told me it was the spot, what is extremely disturbing for me was to note that the spot was in clear eyesight from the Toll plaza where dozens of employees and guards are stationed and it happened before their eye sight and they did nothing, that is why I call this fauji organization Pakistan's biggest bhatta group every toll plaza is under their control they are there only to mint money and they feel zero responsibility. While we can debate and curse motorway police and punjab police but what is shameful is the disgusting conduct of the fauji organization who is making money, shoving its propaganda down our throats "making the highways safe" and when the time came a women was exposed to horrendous crime within their eyesight.

FWO was given a call btw and they did nothing. This is the part of motorway where you wont see any police patrol rather motorcyclists, cyclists, chingqi rickshaws an yesterday I saw donkey carts coming from the wrong side, I know it is easier to blame punjab police despite my reservation about them but FWO must not be collecting Toll Tax if this part of the road is infested with all sort of traffic hazards and that they are so apathetic to normal Pakistanis that a women is raped within their very eyesight.
All our army knows is how to spread propaganda and do business with their infinite DHAs, fauji fertilizers and their retired officers in every civillian department high posts. Then our awaam wonders, why democracy isn't working? Well we have a behind the scenes power who has been working since this country's inception to not let democracy work. Their propaganda is limitless too, even now if you ask a random person, they will say that Pakistan army is the strongest in the world and we must go and defeat USA like its a joke. Thats how much propaganda has been spread. Lumber 1 army isn't just a joke, its a mentality being exposed. Neither black vigo is a joke, its a reality where our country's citizens are afraid to utter a single word against army, in fear that they might get kidnapped.
 
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Islami Jahmoriat Pakistan. So many rights and protection given to our woman.
We are not safe in our house, we are not safe in our cars, we arent safe anywhere.

That is just too extreme a view. 1 random act of opportunistic rape and Nazis go blaming the ENTIRE country????? Insanity at its best indeed!
 
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Some update from my side, last day I left office every early to travel back to Pindi, since I am in DHA 5, so ring road is the nearest connection to motorway. When I reached the toll plaza of Lahore Sialkot motorway off ring road there were about 30 odd police vehicles and dozens of haramkhors in the uniform of Punjab Police, on person stood out and you could tell him as a disgusting fat p*g and that's the CCPO when I asked one of the guys they told me that CCPO is doing investigation, well some investigation with 30 vehicles and 80-90 policemen to guard the fat p*g.

About a kilometre from the toll plaza on left side about 6 media vans were covering, there was one media channel with whom I have good link and they told me it was the spot, what is extremely disturbing for me was to note that the spot was in clear eyesight from the Toll plaza where dozens of employees and guards are stationed and it happened before their eye sight and they did nothing, that is why I call this fauji organization Pakistan's biggest bhatta group every toll plaza is under their control they are there only to mint money and they feel zero responsibility. While we can debate and curse motorway police and punjab police but what is shameful is the disgusting conduct of the fauji organization who is making money, shoving its propaganda down our throats "making the highways safe" and when the time came a women was exposed to horrendous crime within their eyesight.

FWO was given a call btw and they did nothing. This is the part of motorway where you wont see any police patrol rather motorcyclists, cyclists, chingqi rickshaws an yesterday I saw donkey carts coming from the wrong side, I know it is easier to blame punjab police despite my reservation about them but FWO must not be collecting Toll Tax if this part of the road is infested with all sort of traffic hazards and that they are so apathetic to normal Pakistanis that a women is raped within their very eyesight.


Incidence happened at koral forest which is around 7 8 km from toll plaza

Since you were going to pindi from dha 5 I think you were on LRR not on sialkot motorway..as you need to go to m2. I think u got place wrong.
 
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The day is very far when we can say that our country is safe for women and children. It's a reminder for those who open threads on such incidents occuring across the border and then make fun. Animals in the form of humans can be found in our country, and that too, in plenty.

One also has to place blame on very bad decisions by fellow Pakistanis. Whenever a child is molested and hurt, I place blame on the parents more often than not. Like consider the Zainab case for example, the parents left their 4-5 year old daughter to go for pilgrimage; how utterly disgusting is that, I mean to leave your 4-5 year old baby with 'others'! She was their responsibility to watch over like a hawk 24/7 until she was mature enough to protect herself. I don't allow my 14 year old son to go outside without adult supervision, that is just the country that we live in!

Even in this case, how many men here would willingly allow their wives/daughters to drive to another city at 1:00PM all alone? Infact, how may women here would allow their daughters/sons or even husbands to drive to another city at 1:00AM??? I wouldn't allow my adult son let alone my daughter travel that late at night because I am well aware of the fact that predators are more encouraged by the dark and deserted state of late night. Predators more often than not turn up at night.
 
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I’m not sure if any of you guys have driven on the motorway. I traveled in January from Bahawalpur to Lahore on the M3 motorway and there are cops every five minutes of driving whether it’s day or night. It’s obvious the motorway police are complicit or involved.
That motorway is new and motorway Police was not assigned yet.....Now special unit installed after the incident.
 
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Agnostic Aik chez batao

This is the problem here. The work of Social Media and other news outlets cannot be understated in bringing serious issues to light but the problem is the limitation in place which is that only those cases get some semblance of proper treatment that get media limelight. Now why is that? because the police is pressured to invesitgate, you have bureaucracy running around, you have CM/PM calling and you have political statements and activists are standing and protests and what not and all this is fine but it is only fine in respect to the limitation of the case in highlight.

What about the other thousands of cases? I know this and i see this everyday. So many cases where the police neither investigates in a correct fashion nor protects the victim. The CCPO statement may piss off half the world but are all of them aware that his statement is a mere product of the culture that is in the police. Police blames the victim.

"My brother was murdered by our enemies." They respond with an eye roll, "Acha, this is old family feud." Bring this scenario to every penal case. Let me say on Public Hangings as well while we are at the topic. They will not help at all. I support the Deterrent theory in Punishment. I support that legal concept however the problem is not make a scene of the punishment, which we cant not just because the SC itself has declared it as such but also UN as well. We cant do that. This is again avoiding the real issue. Why? because those sitting in the parliament and in Parliamentary affairs know that it is far easier to talk about public hangings and passing resolutions than to actually do anything that will empower the legal system since this requires actual effort and most such an important legal framework will be met with opposition.

Let me give you an Example. DNA evidence. In Pakistan DNA evidence is considered as secondary evidence since it has corroborative nature. A decade ago or two ago, it didnt even have this value. When the forensic world was being revolutionized with DNA evidence, we were busy making Rape investigations even harder.
In criminal law, the DNA evidence or forensic evidence are considered as expert opinion. The evidence thus cannot be used as primary evidence such Oral evidence. So basically we have a witness that will state "Rape happened" and then point to the DNA report and state that i am being corroborated with such. The Problem comes when it states that in absence of Primary evidence, case cannot be decided based on secondary evidence. You see courts stretch in Rape cases but alot of time, people get acquitted based on such legal loophole. The court has went the extra mile in this like inIn Salman Akram Raja v Government of Punjab, the Supreme Court of Pakistan made an attempt to remedy the lack of a specialized legal framework for utilization of DNA evidence. The Court directed that DNA tests be conducted in all sexual offences, and that DNA samples be preserved as well. This case was public interest litigation initiated by the Court suo moto in response to an attempted suicide by a minor victim of rape on her failure to get her complaint registered against influential offenders. Concerning DNA, the Court observed that it provided
"
a means of identifying perpetrators with [a] high degree of confidence… and by using DNA technology the courts would be in a better position to reach at a conclusion whereby the real culprit would be convicted, potential suspects would be excluded and wrongfully involved accused would be exonerated."

However the courts cannot leave the ambit of prescribed law thus the court was also forced to state that DNA evidence is not infallible and should not be taken as a conclusive proof. It should always be acted upon after corroboration from other pieces of evidence. This caution is appropriate and timely as sometimes people indulge in exaggerating DNA’s accuracy. DNA evidence is ‘largely rooted in probabilities, even a confirmed “match” does not supply concrete proof of guilt’.

Another example of the court leaving stretching the law to empower DNA evidence In Zulfiqar Ali v The State, an unmarried girl was sexually assaulted twice by her own father before marriage, but she was reluctant to report it due to family pressure and the adverse effects it would have on her marriage prospects. However, after being assaulted for the third time, she decided to report it to police by registering a First Information Report (‘FIR’). The version of the victim’s story was fully supported by her mother, who was aware of the abuse. Their statements were found to be convincing and were corroborated by the reports of the chemical examiner and a DNA test. The only adverse factor in the narrative presented by the prosecution was of the delay in the registration of the FIR, which was plausibly explained. In these circumstances, the Court convicted the accused of rape.

In Imran alias Manoo v The State, a woman was kidnapped and raped. An FIR was lodged after an unexplained delay of eight days. The medical examiner found the hymen of the victim to have been torn earlier than the alleged incident. The statement of the victim did not inspire confidence, and was insufficient in establishing the accused’s guilt. In these circumstances, the Lahore High Court maintained the conviction after reducing the imprisonment awarded by the trial court on the basis of the evidence of a doctor who examined the victim and a positive DNA report.
In both these cases, DNA evidence was utilized as corroboratory evidence but was given greater importance to convict the accused and this was stretching the law because the law clearly states that secondary evidence cannot be utilized in a manner which can detail the conviction. It cannot be the center.

Another example and i will continue to procedural aspects. In Shakeel Nawaz v The State, the Court refused to rely on a DNA report and acquitted the accused because the test was not conducted by a laboratory notified by the government. In government labs you have huge waiting time, absolute breakdown of system and non-cooperative staff. It was this action that prompted the Women protection bill of 2016 that amended the process quite a bit to make DNA tests easier and that amendment went through hell to be passed. You had clerics and interest driven groups demanding that such an amendment will ruin the system but it did not. It made things easier, it made it easier to get evidence because it is the job of the prosecution to get that evidence into court, to get that expert opinion and expert into court. Half dont even answer when you call them! In many cases, you have too much time passed and the evidence becomes flimsy.

Now another problem is that the nature of secondary evidence allows for court to not punish the DNA agency for non-conducting or demand the prosecution to conduct it right but treat it as 'Further investigation and Further evidence' and you have Bails that are filed on this. The forensic evidence portion of our evidence law requires extreme amendments but here is the thing. If we attach DNA analysis and Finger Prints and other evidence as primary and absolute in all cases then it will be opposed just like DNA is opposed by clerics, conservatives and many interest driven groups. They have repeatedly fought against making DNA evidence a primary evidence in rape law or have fought against keeping of register of offenders and DNA samples since they fight against any such legislation. A very valuable scientific evidence is being ignore simply because you dont have the legal framework. So rather than wasting time with public hangings pass two major amendments.

1. Make rape a death offence. You just have to amend the penal code.

2. Add DNA as primary evidence and then amend the Rape legal procedure where the burden of bringing evidence is lifted from Prosecution and is given to the court so that we can grab those experts and the police officers by the ear and bring them to court.

This would go a long way in preventing Rape accused from circumventing the system and would allow for justice to be given to those thousands of souls who do not get the media highlight

@waz there is nothing more horrifyingly deserted than Motorway at night and ring road is also pretty deserted. Thieves and bandits use it as a perfect means for banditry and recently i am seeing an uptick in trend where the there is theft or dacoity and they rape any woman they find and i dont know what the hell is going on with his but apart from legal changes, we also need societal changes. Police being professional would go a long way to be honest

A very lengthy but informative post. Thank you.

As you conclude your post, you offer certain suggestions or recommendations to minimize the incidents of rape. Allow me to respond, in the same numerical order:

1. Rape indeed carries a death offense in Islam where the culprit is married (stoning to death); where the culprit is not married, he/she is punishable by 100 lashes......and I am told that no person can withstand 100 lashes in 1 go.

2. DNA must indeed be primary evidence, over and above even eye witnesses. However, what about the cases where someone cries RAPE after consensual acts? How does one prevent oneself from that, except to not have relations with anyone outside of marriage (ideally). Then there are liberals with cases of marital rape, what do we do there?

Might I offer another suggestion? Make Nikkah as simple as taking a meal. Encourage Nikkah at an early age, as early as 17/18 for boys because males are more prone to sexually violent acts as compared to women and because it is much, much harder for males to control their urges. Married men too must be encouraged to take multiple wives if they are not satisfied with their first wives......basically, there is only blessing and happiness in Nikkah.
 
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All those who aren't feeling safe, have lost all hopes and other blah blah; they can happily fly to countries like "america" where crime rates are zero.
 
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