Woman held for assaulting girl at Narsingdi railway station

[SuperStar20]

It’s their Bedouin culture. Women frequently have to be escorted by a family member, they can’t drive or travel alone. That could mean their lives if they’re perceived to be in any sort of compromising situation and no family member is present. Same happens in my Pakistan Pashtuns society and other provinces as well it’s culture not religion do not mix it up

Don't go around again. If islam is way of life, everything and anything to with life is dictated by Quran right. Where does local custom comes here?

 

[kingQamaR]

You are talking about human race not robots like Allah says ‘ u have free will ‘ choose right way or the wrong,

 

[Wergeland]

Some things can be interpreted in different ways. Depends also on which has the official political support in Saudis case.

You have same dilemma with abortion laws in the West. When does Life begin, after birth or in mothers womb, in which fetus stage?

Note also, Islam is holistic faith where every relevant interest of the society and the individual has to be taken into account in a balanced way so that neither is harmed.

There are also things that are commands from God and are non-negotiable. Like forexample killing of infant-girls is banned. If theres exists a society who presents good reasons (in yheir own logic) for why it should allowed, muslims still cannot allow it, because its a command from God.

 

[SuperStar20]

Some things can be interpreted in different ways. Depends also on which has the official political support in Saudis case.

You have same dilemma with abortion laws in the West. When does Life begin, after birth or in mothers womb, in which fetus stage?

Note also, Islam is holistic faith where every relevant interest of the society and the individual has to be taken into account in a balanced way so that neither is harmed.

There are also things that are commands from God and are non-negotiable. Like forexample killing of infant-girls is banned. If theres exists a society who presents good reasons (in yheir own logic) for why it should allowed, muslims still cannot allow it, because its a command from God.

I agree with non-negotiable things in Islam. That is what a person became Muslim. Main friction is with negotiable things. Who controls or interprets those negotiable things in Islam? In other religion, no one controls it. It upto the local custom, family values and country laws.

 

[itsanufy]

Was that in Bangladesh’ history? Check again.

I know history of our region very well.
1964 Kolkata in your previous post what do you mean?
Fact Check - There was not a riot in Kolkata but on East Pakistan .

Some of your current citizen/forefather has actively participated.

I think @itsanufy is dreaming about Greater Bangladesh:
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@itsanufy, take it easy bro. All in due time.

In Greater Bangladesh, there will be no room for any type of extremism. All extremists will be tied up and thrown into Bay of Bengal.

Greater Bengal would have seen worst civil war world has ever seen.

I regularly visit BD, next visit is on this Friday. People are changing, now I can find more religiously toxic people than earlier.

 

[Wergeland]

I agree with non-negotiable things in Islam. That is what a person became Muslim. Main friction is with negotiable things. Who controls or interprets those negotiable things in Islam? In other religion, no one controls it. It upto the local custom, family values and country laws.

Islam has no official clergy like Christianity. In other words muslims do not believe infallibility of imams or scholars. In that sense Islam is closer to Judaism. But that dosent mean scholarly works therefore can be disregarded.

What is there are Gold standards developed by influiential scholars, some of who lived during prophets life and transmitted the knowledge, and others who learned from them and developed solid works based on scholarly scrutiny and the examples of The Prophet (Islamic Sciences) They represents four main Sunni jurisprudence branches (Maliki, Shafi, Hanafi, Hanbali) and several Shia ones. They agree on the most fundamental stuff but have differences on certain minor elements.

Forexample:
Muslims are allowed to eat only meat from animals that have cloves and are not predators. If it lives in the water it is also permissable.

A Crocodile lives in the water but is a carnivore and has no cloves. Is it permissble to eat its meat? Some scholars say yes, some says its neither allowed or disallowed (makruh) but its best not to consume it since there is no clear answer from neither the Quran or Hadiths.

And Allah knows best because He percieves things we do not percieve.

You should checkout some of the scholarly debates about certain topics of your interest. It will prove some insights on the rationale behind the jurisprudic conclusions.

 

[Wergeland]

I know history of our region very well.
1964 Kolkata in your previous post what do you mean?
Fact Check - There was not a riot in Kolkata but on East Pakistan .

Some of your current citizen/forefather has actively participated.


Greater Bengal would have seen worst civil war world has ever seen.

I regularly visit BD, next visit is on this Friday. People are changing, now I can find more religiously toxic people than earlier.

You see you what you want to see.

 

[Wergeland]

Don't go around again. If islam is way of life, everything and anything to with life is dictated by Quran right. Where does local custom comes here?

Islam is a package or as Khalifah Abu Bakr laid out «if you remove a single principle from Islam, soon rest will fall one by one»

Islam isnt against local costums, as long as it dosent go against islam. In other words, if youre Italian and love to eat mammas Pizza, Go ahead no problem. But if there is pork on the pizza you have to say no thanks sweet Mamma mia, i am a vegetarian today .

 

[SuperStar20]

Islam is a package or as Khalifah Abu Bakr laid out «if you remove a single principle from Islam, soon rest will fall one by one»

Islam isnt against local costums, as long as it dosent go against islam. In other words, if youre Italian and love to eat mammas Pizza, Go ahead no problem. But if there is pork on the pizza you have to say no thanks sweet Mamma mia, i am a vegetarian today .

Sweden’s failed integration creates ‘parallel societies’, says PM after riots

Magdalena Andersson says both Islamism and rightwing extremism have been allowed to fester

www.theguardian.com

 

[Wergeland]

Sweden’s failed integration creates ‘parallel societies’, says PM after riots

Magdalena Andersson says both Islamism and rightwing extremism have been allowed to fester

www.theguardian.com

What is your point? Are you here to crack up negative news muslims in the west?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/india-america-caste/620583/

The Casteism I See in America​

A raft of evidence shows that caste discrimination has been imported from India to the United States.

 

[jamahir]

There are also things that are commands from God and are non-negotiable. Like forexample killing of infant-girls is banned.

What an idiot. You say killing of infant girls is banned in Islam but in this very thread you support the almost-lynching of a girl for wearing jeans and top. You said the infant girl killing ban thing just because you have heard of it to be present in Islam and not because you believe in it. See how you put it - "Commands from God". You don't say it is anti-human, unjust and criminal from a deeply personal human, rational and empathetic POV but you are robotic and ritualist about it.

@SuperStar20, please don't ask these dunderheads - Wergeland and @kingQamaR who know nothing of Islam and learn ritualisms and pseudo philosophy ascribed to it by ritualist Tableeghi mullahs and excusing away of irrational cultural elements.

I will come back to this thread tomorrow.

 

[Wergeland]

What an idiot. You say killing of infant girls is banned in Islam but in this very thread you support the almost-lynching of a girl for wearing jeans and top. You said the infant girl killing ban thing just because you have heard of it to be present in Islam and not because you believe in it. See how you put it - "Commands from God". You don't say it is anti-human, unjust and criminal from a human, rational and empathetic POV but from a robotic, ritualist POV.

I will come back to this thread tomorrow.

Spare us your «i am so bery bery enlightened and maddern Saar». To be labeled idiot by you is a Badge of Honor.

Support lynching?
Please show me where! Thank you.
If you cant then please have some shame and quit this forum, for good.

 

[jamahir]

Support lynching?
Please show me where! Thank you.
If you cant then please have some shame and quit this forum, for good.

Note the underlined. You essentially are excusing away those almost-lynchers. What is an "Islamic hat or head cover" ? Is there a "Islamic dress" ?

Being rude is not a crime. Sadly There are rude people all over the world. What is a crime is that the girl and her friends were beaten. That is why the culprits should be punished.

Stop spreading lies. There are millions of Bangladeshis that neither wear islamic hats or head cover. 99% of the people dont bother. Its still a conservative society. What took west 300 years is happening in BD in mere a few decades. Its a cultural collision and will take time to find its own balance.

Some muslims try to give advice on how to be a good muslim, doing that in good faith, as they want their fellow muslims to be awarded Paradise. Being naive about the changing world is not neccesary somebodys fault. As long as it is done in a curteous manner (which this woman obviously was not), its not that problematic as you try to make it.

 

[Wergeland]

Note the underlined. You essentially are excusing away those almost-lynchers. What is an "Islamic hat or head cover" ?

youre a class A idiot. Read the article again.

 

[jamahir]

youre a class A idiot. Read the article again.

No, you please explain since I am a Class A Idiot. Do you support the girl wearing the jeans and top or not ?