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'Wolf Warrior 2' earns $500m, breaks box office record

I think people in Hollywood won't agree with JHungary, because they basically don't care about pride, only profit. This Wolf Warrior 2 movie proof that China has a very powerful market for the Hollywood movie to take. What wrong taking both USA and China tasty market for profit? Only stupid prideful movie maker will find it offensive when they see this new market opportunity challenge their traditional market target. Because they can actually take both markets. and it is basically money to take. The problem is, what genre that will help Hollywood movie makers to take Chinese money with their movie? Chinese save the world from Alien?
 
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Well, I watches Wolf Warrior 2 just because one of my mate told me there is a good action flick, and I felt the movie is like Saints and Soldiers, just replace the patriotic tone in WW2 to Religious tone in SaS. The problem is, the cultural rules would really, I MEANT REALLY, hurt Chinese movie bankability overseas, effectively, the Chinese Movie is a mouthpiece of
Well, he have a thing against everything western, but I doubt his everyday wear is long pao (Tradition Chinese Dresses for man like this)

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His antics have been funny day by day and on one hand, he hated everything western and see it as fascism, on the other hand, he enjoy everything western (from clothes to lifestyle, yes he claim he live in Taiwan), it's like a Jewish person who is anti-Semite, that made him and everything he say or think a joke.

I don't know who will the rest of the world rather watch, Chinese Rambo or Luke Skywalker, but I just know one thing, there can NEVER be a Chinese Skywalker, because Sy-Fy as a genre was banned by CCP lol...



THis is a bit off topic, but you do know most Native American were killed when there wasn't even a country called United States of America, right? Go to any reservation in CONUS, you will see and hear story about how the British and the Spanish kills their ancestor, in fact, when the revolutionary American fought the Brits in Revolutionary War, Indian, majority of them are on the revolutionary America side, which is the forefather of modern day USA.

So, basically, USA is on the same side of Native American for a long time, up until the two Native American war with the USA.... But that killed way less Native American than the British and Spanish during colonial period.

Jhungary, you bring up a good point. but here's a counter example.

do europeans still wear this?
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no right? because it's not freaking practical. welcome to the modern era.
 
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Jhungary, you bring up a good point. but here's a counter example.

do europeans still wear this?
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no right? because it's not freaking practical. welcome to the modern era.

Dude, Victorian style clothing is not western clothing? I am talking about Chinese dress in Western Clothing, the style change, but the orientation stays the same, today modern Clothing is a direct descendent of western clothing during Victorian era, and Victorian Era clothing is a direct descendent to Edwardian era clothing, ALL OF WHICH WERE STILL WESTERN CLOTHING. Just because the west does not wear petticoat and 7 layer of garment anymore, that does not mean they weren't wearing westernized clothing from 1400 til now.

The problem is, you are talking about Victorian garment, which have 7 layer, which some of them girl still wear today (including undershirt, Brassier, short pants or pantaloons, and petticoat), the clothing evolved from 7 layer to today 4 Layer for girl (Brassier, Undershirt-Shirt, Short pants and Flocks, which is a sort of petticoat) and men from 5 layer to 3. We are still wearing the legacy of Victorian style garment. The clothing the west wore today is a direct descendant of Western Clothing in Victorian era.

On the other hand, Chinese era to modern day, which is a shift from oriental to western style clothing. There are culture that remain the same over the year, Muslim, for example is largely dressing the same as in 1500s but Chinese, on the other hand, does not dress like Chinese in Tang Dynasty or a evolved version of Tang dynasty clothing, Modern Chinese ditched the traditional Chinese dress altogether dress in western clothing now. That is my point.

And finally, there are some group of people still live in Victorian Era in the west and dress accordingly,

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So, if even in the west, there are still people dress in Victorian style clothing, where are the Chinese dress day to day in Long Pao and Cheongsam?

I think people in Hollywood won't agree with JHungary, because they basically don't care about pride, only profit. This Wolf Warrior 2 movie proof that China has a very powerful market for the Hollywood movie to take. What wrong taking both USA and China tasty market for profit? Only stupid prideful movie maker will find it offensive when they see this new market opportunity challenge their traditional market target. Because they can actually take both markets. and it is basically money to take. The problem is, what genre that will help Hollywood movie makers to take Chinese money with their movie? Chinese save the world from Alien?

Profits? Okay, Let's talk about Profits

Let's say Hollywood make a WW2 style movie, yes, they can earn 800 millions in China, but that's it, At best they can claw back 2 to 5 millions in the west. Which will place their box office in 70ish position, ono the other hand, if they keep making American style movie that they can sell to everywhere, including China, they would have more than billions (or 2 billions) which earn 3 times as much as produce a move like WW2.

The problem is, if we talk about profits, China, as a whole is not comparable to the world. Put together the censorship in China, Chinese market is SMALL in term of Hollywood, because, yeah, Hollywood can make a Pro-China movie, but then it will bomb in the world, and that mean they aren't going to make as much money than making a pro-American Movie, don't forget, US and Canada IS Number 1 market in the world, it's naïve, stupid even, for an American producer to go after number 2 market (which is 6.3 bil) and give up the number 1 market (which is 11.5 billions) plus rest of the world which is about 4 to 5 billions) just to earn in China.

You are assuming what WW2 made is because it is a normal movie,, nope, WW2 made a lot of money because of nationalist sentiment, especially with india and Japan encroaching china, this is the sentiment which draw people to see Wolf Warrior 2. ANd the Hollywood would never make these kind of movie, this is a suicide.

I think you don't know how to make a movie, to make a movie, you need to have the audience identify themselves In the movie, if I make a movie in Hollywood about Chinese saving the earth form the Alien, it won't identify in anywhere but China, unless that Chinese is an Americanise-Chinese (like how Emma Stone play Captain Ng from Aloha), then the Chinese market would not Identify with the character, which mean I can only make either in China, or rest of the world, and only stupid would choose the former than the latter.

It's not about pride, it's about how the film communicate with the world, it won't work even if the hero is American and Chinese, because that won't work in China. At the end of the day, there are only 1 group of people Hollywood would bend over to accommodate, and that's the American people, everything else is secondary, if the American audience like the Chinese, then yes, they may go for a pro-China movie, but if the Chinese have to be villain to make money in America, then they will play the Chinese bad, it's that simple.
 
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Profits? Okay, Let's talk about Profits

Let's say Hollywood make a WW2 style movie, yes, they can earn 800 millions in China, but that's it, At best they can claw back 2 to 5 millions in the west. Which will place their box office in 70ish position, ono the other hand, if they keep making American style movie that they can sell to everywhere, including China, they would have more than billions (or 2 billions) which earn 3 times as much as produce a move like WW2.

The problem is, if we talk about profits, China, as a whole is not comparable to the world. Put together the censorship in China, Chinese market is SMALL in term of Hollywood, because, yeah, Hollywood can make a Pro-China movie, but then it will bomb in the world, and that mean they aren't going to make as much money than making a pro-American Movie, don't forget, US and Canada IS Number 1 market in the world, it's naïve, stupid even, for an American producer to go after number 2 market (which is 6.3 bil) and give up the number 1 market (which is 11.5 billions) plus rest of the world which is about 4 to 5 billions) just to earn in China.

You are assuming what WW2 made is because it is a normal movie,, nope, WW2 made a lot of money because of nationalist sentiment, especially with india and Japan encroaching china, this is the sentiment which draw people to see Wolf Warrior 2. ANd the Hollywood would never make these kind of movie, this is a suicide.

I think you don't know how to make a movie, to make a movie, you need to have the audience identify themselves In the movie, if I make a movie in Hollywood about Chinese saving the earth form the Alien, it won't identify in anywhere but China, unless that Chinese is an Americanise-Chinese (like how Emma Stone play Captain Ng from Aloha), then the Chinese market would not Identify with the character, which mean I can only make either in China, or rest of the world, and only stupid would choose the former than the latter.

It's not about pride, it's about how the film communicate with the world, it won't work even if the hero is American and Chinese, because that won't work in China.

LOL, so you know how to make movie?

And do you think that WW2 genre can't earn profit? Dunkirk begs to pardon.
 
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LOL, so you know how to make movie?

And do you think that WW2 genre can't earn profit? Dunkirk begs to pardon.

WW2 is Wolf Warrior 2, Not World War 2, I suspected that you are confused with the term.

Also, Dunkirk is different. Dunkirk is a REAL STORY, Wolf Warrior 2 is a Fictional Account base of a true event. And also, Dunkirk did not draw as much as they think they can. Dunkirk have a 120 millions budget against 390 millions box office. It did not perform very well in box office, as it is a draw and it was not a box office success.

People Identify with the story, WW2 is a patriotic movie, I don't need to guess, as it INDEED did not perform well outside China, when you have 99.7% of the box office in one single market, which is China, it meant it did POORLY outside China, which mean outside of China, people cannot digest WW2 kind of movie, this is what the box office tell you.

And at the end of the day, it's about story, for an American, they got no reason to watch Wolf Warrior 2 if they are not Chinese of or Chinese Background or Have Chinese Connection (Like having a Chinese husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend). That is why it only earn 3 millions overseas, and majority of those are Chinese Ex-Pat. And if Hollywood started to make a WW2 type movie, it's gonna bomb in US and internationally like WW2, and while you are not affordable to upset second largest market, it's stupid to try to please the second biggest market and ignore the largest market in the world. And that is the US. And that is why US production WILL ALWAYS BE PRO-AMERICAN, and it will only be "Not Against" China when the public sentiment are not against China, it simply stupid to suggest Hollywood need to please the second Largest Market and make a Pro-Chinese Movie, because it won't make sense in America (1st Largest market) the UK (3rd Largest Market), Japan (4th Largest Market) and South Korea (5th Largest Market)

And yes, I do know how to make movie, I just finish shooting a short film last Sunday, I am about to shoot a feature length film at the beginning of 2018. And I have a youtube channel on Movie Making, I used to negotiate with this forum and produce Video for them and I drop out because of management issue. But I still have the video and I release that somewhere else.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ask-me-anything-jhungary.404621/

I used to work in Hollywood as technical advisor for producer and actor, and I know many Hollywood producer and personally met Tom Hanks and Jerry Bruckheimer when I was working in US, Canada and the UK. What do you know about movie making?
 
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Dude, Victorian style clothing is not western clothing? I am talking about Chinese dress in Western Clothing

That's just the tip of the iceberg...for instance what musical instrument with 88 keys (instead of the 二胡) are parents paying money to have their kids learn that was invented in Italy in the year 1700
 
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"Wolf Warrior 2" leads Chinese box office for 5th week

Source: Xinhua| 2017-08-28 20:35:48|


BEIJING, Aug. 28 (Xinhua) -- Chinese action film "Wolf Warrior 2" continued to dominate the Chinese film market in the week ending Aug. 27, grossing 259 million yuan (39.1 million U.S. dollars), China Film News reported Monday.

The film, which tells the story of a former Chinese Special Forces operative's adventures rescuing compatriots and locals in a war-torn region of Africa occupied by insurgents and mercenaries, has made 5.4 billion yuan since hitting Chinese screens on July 27.

"Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets," a French science fiction movie, came in second with 192 million yuan in sales in Chinese theaters in its debut week.

Hong Kong action movie "Paradox" landed in third place earning 161 million yuan.

Hollywood animated film "Cars 3" came in fourth, generating 71 million yuan in the first week of its release.

Rounding out the top five was US action film, "Baby Driver," which grossed 64 million yuan.
 
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"Wolf Warrior 2" leads Chinese box office for 5th week

Source: Xinhua| 2017-08-28 20:35:48|


BEIJING, Aug. 28 (Xinhua) -- Chinese action film "Wolf Warrior 2" continued to dominate the Chinese film market in the week ending Aug. 27, grossing 259 million yuan (39.1 million U.S. dollars), China Film News reported Monday.

The film, which tells the story of a former Chinese Special Forces operative's adventures rescuing compatriots and locals in a war-torn region of Africa occupied by insurgents and mercenaries, has made 5.4 billion yuan since hitting Chinese screens on July 27.

"Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets," a French science fiction movie, came in second with 192 million yuan in sales in Chinese theaters in its debut week.

Hong Kong action movie "Paradox" landed in third place earning 161 million yuan.

Hollywood animated film "Cars 3" came in fourth, generating 71 million yuan in the first week of its release.

Rounding out the top five was US action film, "Baby Driver," which grossed 64 million yuan.

5.525 billion yuan and counting
 
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War film 'Dunkirk' faces a difficult battle in the Chinese mainland

2017-09-04 09:58

Global Times Editor: Li Yan

Christopher Nolan's latest work Dunkirk, a box-office hit in North America, received a lukewarm reception in the Chinese mainland after it premiered on Friday.

Although the war suspense film, which depicts the evacuation of British soldiers during a fierce battle in World War II, stayed in first place throughout the weekend for single day box-office, it did so with gloomy numbers: 57 million yuan ($8.6 million) on opening day, 76 million yuan on Saturday and 21 million yuan as of Sunday noon. Estimates place the movie at making roughly 190 million yuan over the weekend, about half its first weekend take in North America.

The film's tepid performance in the mainland, according to certain media outlets, has been attributed to the theme of the film - which praises an evacuation - not striking a chord with Chinese audiences.

A number of Chinese media outlets compared the film to box-office juggernaut Wolf Warrior 2, a Chinese-made patriotic movie that literally sent a message that said: "The citizens of the People's Republic of China: When you encounter danger overseas, do not give up! Please remember, right behind you, there is a powerful motherland!"

Chinese news outlet toutiao.com pointed out that "while Wolf Warrior 2 portrays a complete victory, Dunkirk depicts is a disastrous evacuation, which is very different from traditional Chinese values" and therefore "will not achieve a very high box office."

Despite the fact that Dunkirk has still received overall high grades on Chinese film websites Mtime (8.3/10) and Douban (8.6/10), there have been quite a few negative comments aimed at the portrayal of Harold Alexander, the British general behind the evacuation, as a hero.

"Harold Alexander is known for running away," a report on Tencent subsidiary website kuaibao.qq.com, wrote, adding that in March 1942, when the general was fighting against the Japanese army in Burma (today's Myanmar) together with the Chinese army, he oversaw an evacuation that allowed a large amount of equipment and arms to fall into Japanese hands and led to mass casualties for Chinese forces. It is estimated that only 40,000 troops of the 100,000 strong Chinese expeditionary force survived the evacuation.

One of the netizens who protested against Dunkirk, Mr_A Zheng posted on Sina Weibo that he hoped moviegoers would first learn about the general's history before going to the cinema.

"Do not be misled by this film. The truth is that the British used and then sold out our expeditionary force. Now they want to glorify themselves," he wrote.

Looking at other films that competed over the weekend, Japanese live-action adaptation of the popular manga Gintama sat on the second place with an estimated 66 million yuan, while Chinese action blockbuster Wolf Warrior 2 ranked third with an estimated 59 million yuan. While Gintama premiered the same day as Dunkirk, this is already Wolf Warrior 2's sixth weekend. The film is the highest-earning film in the Chinese market with a total box office of 5.5 billion yuan.

Luc Besson's space epic Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets ranked fourth with 41 million yuan. Released on August 25, the high-budget production has taken in a total of 372 million yuan in the Chinese mainland.

Disney's Cars 3 was at No.5 with 18 million yuan. It opened in the Chinese mainland the same day with Valerian and has now grossed a total of 123 million yuan.

http://www.ecns.cn/2017/09-04/271979.shtml
 
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War film 'Dunkirk' faces a difficult battle in the Chinese mainland

2017-09-04 09:58

Global Times Editor: Li Yan

Christopher Nolan's latest work Dunkirk, a box-office hit in North America, received a lukewarm reception in the Chinese mainland after it premiered on Friday.

Although the war suspense film, which depicts the evacuation of British soldiers during a fierce battle in World War II, stayed in first place throughout the weekend for single day box-office, it did so with gloomy numbers: 57 million yuan ($8.6 million) on opening day, 76 million yuan on Saturday and 21 million yuan as of Sunday noon. Estimates place the movie at making roughly 190 million yuan over the weekend, about half its first weekend take in North America.

The film's tepid performance in the mainland, according to certain media outlets, has been attributed to the theme of the film - which praises an evacuation - not striking a chord with Chinese audiences.

A number of Chinese media outlets compared the film to box-office juggernaut Wolf Warrior 2, a Chinese-made patriotic movie that literally sent a message that said: "The citizens of the People's Republic of China: When you encounter danger overseas, do not give up! Please remember, right behind you, there is a powerful motherland!"

Chinese news outlet toutiao.com pointed out that "while Wolf Warrior 2 portrays a complete victory, Dunkirk depicts is a disastrous evacuation, which is very different from traditional Chinese values" and therefore "will not achieve a very high box office."

Despite the fact that Dunkirk has still received overall high grades on Chinese film websites Mtime (8.3/10) and Douban (8.6/10), there have been quite a few negative comments aimed at the portrayal of Harold Alexander, the British general behind the evacuation, as a hero.

"Harold Alexander is known for running away," a report on Tencent subsidiary website kuaibao.qq.com, wrote, adding that in March 1942, when the general was fighting against the Japanese army in Burma (today's Myanmar) together with the Chinese army, he oversaw an evacuation that allowed a large amount of equipment and arms to fall into Japanese hands and led to mass casualties for Chinese forces. It is estimated that only 40,000 troops of the 100,000 strong Chinese expeditionary force survived the evacuation.

One of the netizens who protested against Dunkirk, Mr_A Zheng posted on Sina Weibo that he hoped moviegoers would first learn about the general's history before going to the cinema.

"Do not be misled by this film. The truth is that the British used and then sold out our expeditionary force. Now they want to glorify themselves," he wrote.

Looking at other films that competed over the weekend, Japanese live-action adaptation of the popular manga Gintama sat on the second place with an estimated 66 million yuan, while Chinese action blockbuster Wolf Warrior 2 ranked third with an estimated 59 million yuan. While Gintama premiered the same day as Dunkirk, this is already Wolf Warrior 2's sixth weekend. The film is the highest-earning film in the Chinese market with a total box office of 5.5 billion yuan.

Luc Besson's space epic Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets ranked fourth with 41 million yuan. Released on August 25, the high-budget production has taken in a total of 372 million yuan in the Chinese mainland.

Disney's Cars 3 was at No.5 with 18 million yuan. It opened in the Chinese mainland the same day with Valerian and has now grossed a total of 123 million yuan.

http://www.ecns.cn/2017/09-04/271979.shtml
Yup. Harold Alexander, a fucking coward
 
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"Harold Alexander is known for running away," a report on Tencent subsidiary website kuaibao.qq.com, wrote, adding that in March 1942, when the general was fighting against the Japanese army in Burma (today's Myanmar) together with the Chinese army, he oversaw an evacuation that allowed a large amount of equipment and arms to fall into Japanese hands and led to mass casualties for Chinese forces. It is estimated that only 40,000 troops of the 100,000 strong Chinese expeditionary force survived the evacuation.

One of the netizens who protested against Dunkirk, Mr_A Zheng posted on Sina Weibo that he hoped moviegoers would first learn about the general's history before going to the cinema.

"Do not be misled by this film. The truth is that the British used and then sold out our expeditionary force. Now they want to glorify themselves," he wrote.

Creating fake histories by lying between one's teeth does not help commercially.
 
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