Without the Republic of China’s Contribution, WWII Would Have Taken a Different Course

[beijingwalker]

Of course most soldiers who fought under their banner didn't suck.

Most of them were CPC members or CPC members after the war, also many anti-Chiang KMT factions who later collaborated with CPC.

They were great, but Chiang and his faction always sucked. No wonder they got their a$$ kicked by the brave Chinese people.

We are living in a fast changing world. Today's CPC is not that CPC and today's KMT is not that KMT. But anyway ,we are not here to talk about politics. I m out.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We are living in a fast changing world. Today's CPC is not that CPC and today's KMT is not that KMT. But anyway ,we are not here to talk about politics. I m out.

Today's CPC is still forging a superpower, while KMT is losing their last stronghold Taiwan to DPP.

This is the major difference. You act like it was KMT who contributed the prosperity for the modern China.

When your headline is KMT's contribute for China, then the debate about politics is already inevitable.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The reason why USA stepped in to help Chiang was because KMT at that time was pro-communism, and USA wanted to protect his interests even as little as now in Ukraine. Moreover, we know this was USA that defeated the Imperial Japan, but we also know this was the same USA that provided 80% of imported oil to Japan. Innocent life means nothing for American politicians. However, we never blame the USA for that because this was all about national interest.
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If you are talking after the war then that may be true.

However pre-Pearl Harbor the US was not very concerned about the Communists in China. The only thing that caught the attention of the US is when Japan started moving into Indo-China in 1941 when France was weak due to losing to the Germans. The US started embargoing Japan. Japan then did Pearl Harbor. We then sent the Flying Tigers to China.

If Japan didn't invade IndoChina the US would have done the same thing we had been doing since 1931...nothing.

 

[beijingwalker]

If you are talking after the war then that may be true.

However pre-Pearl Harbor the US was not very concerned about the Communists in China. The only thing that caught the attention of the US is when Japan started moving into Indo-China in 1941 when France was weak due to losing to the Germans. The US started embargoing Japan. Japan then did Pearl Harbor. We then sent the Flying Tigers to China.

If Japan didn't invade IndoChina the US would have done the same thing we had been doing since 1931...nothing.

No. US had always been fueling the Japanese war machine before the war. Without US fuel and other resources supply, Japan wouldn't be able to sustain their stay in China that long.

Through the 1930s, Japan's oil consumption was dependent at 90% on imports, 80% of it coming from the United States.[29] America exported oil to Japan until 1940, long after the invasion of Manchuria.Furthermore, the vast majority of this oil import was oriented towards the Navy and the military.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No. US had always been fueling the Japanese war machine before the war. Without US fuel and other resources supply, Japan wouldn't be able to sustain their stay in China that long.

Yes, we traded with Japan just like everybody else did. Just as countries do today and the last 100 years with countries at war. Of all the wars throughout the world in the last 60+ years was China avoiding trading with one country over another? You did the "not my problem" and traded away. That is exactly what the US did.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, we traded with Japan just like everybody else did. Just as countries do today and the last 100 years with countries at war. Of all the wars throughout the world in the last 60+ years was China avoiding trading with one country over another? You did the "not my problem" and traded away. That is exactly what the US did.

I didn't say it was wrong.I only state the fact that Japan and US were actual allies when Japan fist attacked China. without US support, Japan can never be able to make it happen.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I didn't say it was wrong.I only state the fact that Japan and US were actual allies when Japan fist attacked China. without US support, Japan can never be able to make it happen.

The US and Japan were not allies. Maybe Britain was but not us. We were about as allied with them as you are today with Saudi Arabia. They were just somebody we sold oil and other stuff to.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't know what you mean by southern Chinese mentality but Southern Chinese are not all wimps like Chiang. Didn't Qin state mainly spoke Cantonese?

Southern Chinese are not all white worshiping HK people. From a historical perspective when the capital was in the south, the dynasty will fall sooner or later.

Don't get wrong the idea, Mao was Southern Chinese, but he decided to restore the political power in Beijing, so that's a Northern China model. It has nothing to do with the actual Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese.

Many of Chiang's followers were Northern Chinese, and they did support his Nanjing model.

You know, in China's history, the Nanjing model always represented the weak regimes, where all strong regimes had their capital in Northern China.

PS, I am also a Southern Chinese from Shanghai. Beijingwalker is a Northern Chinese from Beijing, while he is pro-KMT, while I am pro-CPC.

Both Cantonese and Mandarin evolved from the Qin dialect, the Cantonese is the southern branch, while Mandarin is the northern branch. Only Shanghainese and many other modern central-eastern dialects evolved from the ancient Chu dialect.

 

[Jlaw]

Don't get wrong the idea, Mao was Southern Chinese, but he decided to restore the political in Beijing, so that's a Northern China model. It has nothing to do with the actual Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese.

Many of Chiang's followers were Northern Chinese, and they did support his Nanjing model.

You know, in China's history, the Nanjing model always represented the weak regimes, where all strong regimes had their capital in Northern China.

PS, I am also Southern Chinese from Shanghai. Beijingwalker is a Northern Chinese from Beijing, while he is pro-KMT, while I am pro-CPC.

This is a foreign forum. Matters regarding internal China should not be discuss here as I don't want to feed neighborly trolls.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This is a foreign forum. Matters regarding internal China should not be discuss here as I don't want to feed neighborly trolls.

At least we have to clarify that Cantonese derived from the Qin dialect, not a dialect from Vietnam as some Viet members claimed to be.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Bluntly put. CCP was never a main force fighting the Japanese during the war. The Japanese saved CCP, involuntarily of course, who otherwise would be wiped out by KMT. CCP just hid far in the west away from the main battleground in East China and built up its strength while KMT was tied down by the war and when the war was over, KMT suddenly found that CCP was just becoming too big to root out. I m not speaking for KMT for I also believe that was a corrupt to the core regime, but history is based on the facts and I am just stating the truth.

The KMT was the government in power and thus had both the legal power and the legal responsibility to defend the nation. For KMT to fight Japan is not charity, but duty.

 

[Beast]

In 1944 when Japanese were weak, KMT still gets defeat in Operation Ichigo Campaign.

This more or less shows KMT competency.

 

[Providence]

In 1944 when Japanese were weak, KMT still gets defeat in Operation Ichigo Campaign.

This more or less shows KMT competency.

Erm.. No. When KMT lost enough men to Japanese army, PLA chose to came out of it's cryo sleep ! That's all.

 

[grey boy 2]

Erm.. No. When KMT lost enough men to Japanese army, PLA chose to came out of it's cryo sleep ! That's all.

Perhaps pretending to be a Chinese history expert wasn't bad enough?
However when you ain't doing too good with your "white man" fantasy, especially get caught by your inferior "Bitch Slap" victim......
"to come" and "Cryo sleep" should be one word "Cryosleep"? do correct me if i was wrong

 

[Beast]

Erm.. No. When KMT lost enough men to Japanese army, PLA chose to came out of it's cryo sleep ! That's all.

What nonsense are you talking about?