With U.S. at Odds, Islamic Republics Iran and Pakistan Forge New Ties

[Maula Jatt]

Hard to materialize. Iran is hesitant to recognize Taliban, just like most countries in the world.
As far as Afghanistan is concerned, it seems that there are only two options: 1- Taliban (who pretends they have changed but we are not sure of that yet and we are seeing how things will develop in future), 2- A US-installed puppet regime that cannot get close to Iran and will be brainwashed to hate Iran. Both options are bad for Iran at the moment.

As for Pakistan, that's not likely either. For example, the Iran-Pakistan pipeline never materialized even though it was in the interest of Pakistan as well. Iran can actually bring that case to the UN court of arbitration but it is not doing so for geopolitical reasons at the moment. I honestly do not think this barter thing would work either. If history is any indication for predicting future, we have a better chance at developing our economic ties with Taliban than Pakistan in my opinion.


Why? What other country besides Iran can be the most dominant one among Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.?
Even a heavily sanctioned Iran is still in a better form that all those countries in the list with more regional influence.

Ironically, a Persian nationalist would prefer to add countries like Republic of Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Kuwait and Iraq to the list. It's ironic, but true. Historically, we have more often wanted to increase our influence towards our western borders than our eastern borders.

Population, millitary, etc etc - so like Iran can't be the sole, unchallenged, monopolized leader, there'll be a competition
It was a weird concept that made little sense to me in practical terms like I stopped in the end so honestly I would rather not even waste time discussing it now...
When you can talk about more important, practical stuff
Why waste time discussing fictitious things? Am I right?

 

[Titanium100]

Hard to materialize. Iran is hesitant to recognize Taliban, just like most countries in the world.
As far as Afghanistan is concerned, it seems that there are only two options: 1- Taliban (who pretends they have changed but we are not sure of that yet and we are seeing how things will develop in future), 2- A US-installed puppet regime that cannot get close to Iran and will be brainwashed to hate Iran. Both options are bad for Iran at the moment.

As for Pakistan, that's not likely either. For example, the Iran-Pakistan pipeline never materialized even though it was in the interest of Pakistan as well. Iran can actually bring that case to the UN court of arbitration but it is not doing so for geopolitical reasons at the moment. I honestly do not think this barter thing would work either. If history is any indication for predicting future, we have a better chance at developing our economic ties with Taliban than Pakistan in my opinion.


Why? What other country besides Iran can be the most dominant one among Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc.?
Even a heavily sanctioned Iran is still in a better form that all those countries in the list with more regional influence.

Ironically, a Persian nationalist would prefer to add countries like Republic of Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Kuwait and Iraq to the list. It's ironic, but true. Historically, we have more often wanted to increase our influence towards our western borders than our eastern borders.

They have trade links and water deals which is crucial for Iran including Iran-China pipeline hence the recognition might come even before Pakistan. There will never be a US installed puppet nor will they be back. They wasted 20trillion dollars they want none of that ever again. It is as if they were somehow divinely tricked into it strange I still can't wrap my head around why even go there in the first place whoever came up with that idea must have been high on something.

I saw you posted an interesting post while conversing with some of our chinese members and you said something specifically interesting that you wanted the US to invade Iran and instill a pro-western government which you said could be beneficial for Iran in the long term. I never seen anyone belt out such messages you want regime change by foreigners that one was new to me.

 

[QWECXZ]

Population, millitary, etc etc - so like Iran can't be the sole, unchallenged, monopolized leader, there'll be a competition
It was a weird concept that made little sense to me in practical terms like I stopped in the end so honestly I would rather not even waste time discussing it now...
When you can talk about more important, practical stuff
Why waste time discussing fictitious things? Am I right?

Population is the least thing that matters actually. And Iran has 85 million residents anyway.
Well, Iran is quite strong militarily. And if our new weapon deals with Russia materialize, we will be multiple times more powerful than now.
Economically, Iran is in a better shape than all of those countries.
Scientifically, Iran is ahead of all those countries. Education? Iran is miles ahead.
Sports? Iran is definitely stronger than all of those countries combined.
Cinema? There's no comparison here really.
Language? Again, Iran has the upper hand because Persian is spoken in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and it was widely used in Pakistan.
Cultural values? Again, Iran has the upper hand with Nowruz, etc.
Tourism? Again, Iran is ahead. Safety? Again, Iran.
I mean we can go on forever, but Iran is by far the dominant country in such a hypothetical union that makes very little sense and it's impractical and not really what we are looking for.

They have trade links and water deals which is crucial for them hence the recognition might come even before Pakistan. There will never be a US installed puppet nor will they be back. They wasted 20trillion dollars they want none of that ever again. It is as if they were somehow divinely tricked into it strange I still can't wrap my head around why even go there in the first place whoever came up with that idea must have been high on something.

I saw you posted an interesting post while conversing with some of our chinese members and you said something specifically interesting that you wanted the US to invade Iran and instill a pro-western government which you said could be beneficial for Iran in the long term. I never seen anyone belt out such messages you want regime change by foreigners that one was new to me.

I never said such a thing. The United States can invade Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey, all at once and in fact it has a history of repeated violations of the sovereignty of all these countries in recent history. They bombed Pakistan with drones, invaded Afghanistan, and interfered in Turkey with military coups even in recent decades. But the US won't even attack Iran. Stop smoking heroine.

And you misread even my last post here as well. I have long realized that you have comprehension issues. I consider you as one of the least favorite trolls on this forum, which makes me wonder why I haven't blocked your sorry a$$ yet and tempts me to do it now. So, welcome to the list of blocked trolls.

 

[Titanium100]

I never said such a thing. The United States can invade Pakistan, Afghanistan and Turkey, all at once and in fact it has a history of repeated violations of the sovereignty of all these countries in recent history. They bombed Pakistan with drones, invaded Afghanistan, and interfered in Turkey with military coups even in recent decades. But the US won't even attack Iran. Stop smoking heroine.

And you misread even my last post here as well. I have long realized that you have comprehension issues. I consider you as one of the least favorite trolls on this forum, which makes me wonder why I haven't blocked your sorry a$$ yet and tempts me to do it now. So, welcome to the list of blocked trolls.

I don't understand why Iranians are so emotional in normal exchanges that doesn't necessary need to be. The US lost the war in AFG. Pak wanted them to strike because it was in war with TTP. As for coups is just conspiracy. The US can't invade anyone combined not today that window is closed 30-40 years ago. You see the world moves ahead and evolves each day. What is possible even today might not be come next 30 years etc etc. I don't even want to mention all the violation that went unanswered from Iran perhaps the only country without redlines but alas let us not go to deep on that convo.

I was just referring to this. I didn't even condemn this comment but just curious to see it that is all you went up in arms to early. Thinking I was coming at you offensively. Nah bro.

Well, I'm glad that at least you are realistic.
But I don't really know about the invasion of Iran by the US. I mean if it happens (which is extremely unlikely), there will be no war or resistance after that. Iran is not Afghanistan where people are religious and uneducated. The truth is that the West will most likely help Iran get up on her feet, will improve the living conditions of the people by integrating our economy with theirs, and will turn Iran into something like Turkey, just like before the 1979 revolution, provided that we reduce our relations with her enemies.

At that point, many Iranians would prefer to side with the West against Russia and China. Let's not forget that Iran is one of the least religious countries in the region and although a lot of Iranians dislike Britain, the United States, Israel and some European countries, it will be better for us in all aspects (economy, science, military) to be on their side if this regime falls already.
So, for China and Russia, it's pretty much a binary choice. Either Iran defeats the US in such an unlikely war, or Iran will join the US against China and Russia like before the 1979 revolution.

 

[khansaheeb]

I don't understand why Iranians are so emotional in normal exchanges that doesn't necessary need to be. The US lost the war in AFG. Pak wanted them to strike because it was in war with TTP. As for coups is just conspiracy. The US can't invade anyone combined not today that window is closed 30-40 years ago. You see the world moves ahead and evolves each day. What is possible even today might not be come next 30 years etc etc. I don't even want to mention all the violation that went unanswered from Iran perhaps the only country without redlines but alas let us not go to deep on that convo.

I was just referring to this. I didn't even condemn this comment but just curious to see it that is all you went up in arms to early. Thinking I was coming at you offensively. Nah bro.

It is just subtle Hindu way of creating dissension between Muslim people/nations, don't ask naive questions.

 

[SaadH]

Iranis can't help themselves, sooner or later they will spring back and bite us for the snakes they are...