Wish we could have been a Federation as originally envisioned by Jinnah

[Don Jaguar]

My dear urdu speaking fellow!!!

 

[kumarkumar1867]

CABINET PLAN????

hmmm well it was a simple Nehru mistake & the change of MUALANA Azad as president clearly showed the intent of the Congress then.

clearly the failure of the plan showed that Jinnah was right to call for independence & that Mualana was being fooled by congress.

after this failure there was no choice left BUT to MAKE PAKISTAN and thank GOD it was done.

Bhai , read out cabinet plan details , Jinnah was not anti-muslim in accepting it nor was Nehru anti-hindu in rejecting it.

Apart from Sir Syed's & Allama Iqbal dream of seperate land for indian muslims, demand of seperate nation for muslim was first staged by Hindutva groups, Jinnah was not originator of Idea of Pakistan he had to accept Pakistan because of muslim-biased Cabinet plan & because Moron Congressi called Nehru wanted to be first PM.

Speak only when you know something.

 

[third eye]

For a federation to work in any prt of the world an immense amount of maturity is needed.

We lack maturity and it shows in our actions as individuals and in our leaders.

A noble thought but unworkable.

Lets continue to enjoy the mess we live in.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

nope the Congress is responsilbe for the mistakes because they could have easily accepted the PLAN and avoided any blood shed. but no "PARITY" was not acceptable to CONGRESS. they clearly wanted to subject the muslims!

rest is history

well it would have givne hindus also same rights in muslim majority areas. it was a safeguard against subjecting muslim to hindu rule and vice versa!

Cabinet Plan was biased towards muslim, no sane hindu/christian/buddhist/sikh would have accepted it. I hate Congress but I support their decision of throwing Cabinet Plan in dust-bin

 

[ice_man]

so the Hindus clearly didn't want PARITY and wanted to RULE muslims? that is why they rejected it? change of guard from MUALANA to NEHRU finally got the cat out of the bag

 

[Rafi]

Let bygones be bygones, what was meant to be, has happened, there is no good in raking up the past.

 

[Splurgenxs]

Well ,whos to say it cant be achieved again?

It may take another 20 years but if Pakistan makes an effort to revitalize and reinvent Jinnah vision ...India would have no option but to oblige.

Realistically speaking
I predict when India reaches the pinnacle of its growth Pakistan will eventually see the futility in making India a perpetual enemy.

But Pakistan has never been predictable not even to its own allies. an extremely flawed foreign policy.

IF u want to learn for someone ,learn form China...there is a reasonable amount of mistrust ,but China on a foreign policy lvl has always been predictable. This leaves room to move forward.(even if they go on and off in funding some nefarious activities).

 

[T90TankGuy]

a nice thread gone to the dogs by people who have a very narrow perspective

 

[Rafi]

I would rather have a closer relationship with China, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia - than india, just stating it, no hate involved.

 

[Splurgenxs]

I would rather have a closer relationship with China, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia - than india, just stating it, no hate involved.

As the saying goes ,U can Pick ur Friends ,but not ur neighbors. U think India has anything to loose with this staus quo?

Unfortunately many of us Indians are romantics that see the destruction that lies in over inflated egos and the strength in unity.

IF an average Pakistanis cant see it there loss. Maybe in good time.Everyone has to grow up sooner or later.

 

[ares]

so the Hindus clearly didn't want PARITY and wanted to RULE muslims? that is why they rejected it? change of guard from MUALANA to NEHRU finally got the cat out of the bag

Do you even know the meaning of word "Parity" or for that matter what cabinet mission plan was...what do you know about cabinet mission plan, separate electorates or multiple power centers in the country?

I would glad, if you can explain..how CMP ..will lead to parity b/w a Hindu/sikh/Christan citizen and Muslim Citizen of the country??!!

 

[indian_jigar]

As the saying goes ,U can Pick ur Friends ,but not ur neighbors. U think India has anything to loose with this staus quo?

Unfortunately many of us Indians are romantics that see the destruction that lies in over inflated egos and the strength in unity.

IF an average Pakistanis cant see it there loss. Maybe in good time.Everyone has to grow up sooner or later.

Forming a federation again, especially after all that has happened in the last 63 years. Majority of Indians and Pakistanis would be against such a resolution. Most Indians and Pakistanis think of themselves as different nations, and thats how it will stay. I consider myself to be a pretty level-minded and liberal person in my late teens, but would be against any federation of Indo-Pak.

Its a shame how history has gone down between the two nations, but really too much has happened. To put it bluntly, India and Pakistan are like boyfriend/girlfriend, that broke up, went around assaulting each other, sleeping around with other people, etc. Simply too much has happened.

The best case scenario is India and Pakistan would be neutral towards one another, kind of like India and South Africa, and focus on the development of their respective nations.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Well ,whos to say it cant be achieved again?

It may take another 20 years but if Pakistan makes an effort to revitalize and reinvent Jinnah vision ...India would have no option but to oblige.

Realistically speaking
I predict when India reaches the pinnacle of its growth Pakistan will eventually see the futility in making India a perpetual enemy.

But Pakistan has never been predictable not even to its own allies. an extremely flawed foreign policy.

IF u want to learn for someone ,learn form China...there is a reasonable amount of mistrust ,but China on a foreign policy lvl has always been predictable. This leaves room to move forward.(even if they go on and off in funding some nefarious activities).

Is it possible??
ARMY which indirectly rules a country, will it allow to let it happen??
Without a HARDCORE ENEMY to fight will they have significance in public??
If Cross Border Hate Bussiness stops will not public start paying attention to Inhouse-mess going on due to bad administration??

I am afraid that Zia is still alive in minds of PA, his islamization & undoing of Jinnah's effect is going to survive till many decades to come. So I dont think its a possibility in reality.

 

[ice_man]

Do you even know the meaning of word "Parity" or for that matter what cabinet mission plan was...what do you know about cabinet mission plan, separate electorates or multiple power centers in the country?

I would glad, if you can explain..how CMP ..will lead to parity b/w a Hindu/sikh/Christan citizen and Muslim Citizen of the country??!!

well i don't know what your HINDI text books teach you but to us it is simply this:


(i) There was to be a federation of the provinces and the States, with the federal central controlling only defence, foreign affairs and communications.

(ii) At the same time, individual provinces could form regional unions to which they could surrender by mutual agreement some of their powers.

(iii) There would be three groups of provinces (i) Group 'A' was to include Madras, Bombay, U.P., Bihar, Central Province and Orissa (ii) Group 'B* was to comprise Punjab, Sindh, N.W.F.P. and British Baluchistan (Muslim majority in most of the areas) (Hi) Group 'C' was to include Bengal and Assam.

These groups would draft their own constitutions in consultation with their respective provinces included in each group.

(iv) A Constituent Assembly consisting of 389 members-292 from provinces, 4 from territories governed by Chief Commissioners and 93 from Indian Princely States would draft the Constitution of India.

(v) An interim government at the Central consisting of representatives of all the communities, provinces would be installed on the basis of parity between the representatives of the Hindus and Muslims.


nothing wrong here. as for sikhs,christians they would have enjoyed a level of freedom as they do now. The muslims being the LARGEST minority would have been equal.

ideal utopia gone wrong thanks to NEHRU!


but do tell me what they teach you as the main flaws of the plan?

 

[Icarus]

I blame Nehru for this issue. Cabinet Mission plan is a long off, even as late as 1954, Liaquat Ali Khan had proposed a 'Joint Defence Pact' whereby Pakistan and India would have a single standing army, with the option to gradually transfer foreign relations, communications, banking and other important concerns to a joint central committee at Delhi. Nehru kept beating around the bush and avoided the issue, eventually it just became another idea.