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China's vast military machine grows by the day. America's sending troops to Australia in response. As tension between the two superpowers escalates, Max Hastings warns of a terrifying threat to world peace.

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On the evening of November 1, 1950, 22-year-old Private Carl Simon of the U.S. 8th Cavalry lay shivering with his comrades in the icy mountains of North Korea.

A patrol had just reported itself ‘under attack from unidentified troops’, which bemused and dismayed the Americans, because their campaign to occupy North Korea seemed all but complete.

Suddenly, through the darkness came sounds of bugle calls, gunfire, shouts in a language that the 8th Cavalry’s Korean interpreters could not understand. A few minutes later, waves of attackers charged into the American positions, screaming, firing and throwing grenades.

‘There was just mass hysteria,’ Simon told me long afterwards. ‘It was every man for himself. I didn’t know which way to go. In the end, I just ran with the crowd. We ran and ran until the bugles grew fainter.’

This was the moment, of course, when the armies of Mao Tse-tung stunned the world by intervening in the Korean War. It had begun in June, when Communist North Korean forces invaded the South.


U.S. and British forces repelled the communists, fighting in the name of the United Nations, then pushed deep into North Korea. Seeing their ally on the brink of defeat, the Chinese determined to take a hand.

In barren mountains just a few miles south of their own border, in the winter of 1950 their troops achieved a stunning surprise. The Chinese drove the American interlopers hundreds of miles south before they themselves were pushed back. Eventually a front was stabilised and the situation sank into stalemate.

Three years later, the United States was thankful to get out of its unwanted war with China by accepting a compromise peace, along the armistice line which still divides the two Koreas today.

For most of the succeeding 58 years the U.S., even while suffering defeat in Vietnam, has sustained strategic dominance of the Indo-Pacific region, home to half the world’s population.

Yet suddenly, everything is changing. China’s new economic power is being matched by a military build-up which deeply alarms its Asian neighbours, and Washington. The spectre of armed conflict between the superpowers, unknown since the Korean War ended in 1953, looms once more.

American strategy guru Paul Stares says: ‘If past experience is any guide, the United States and China will find themselves embroiled in a serious crisis at some point in the future.’

The Chinese navy is growing fast, acquiring aircraft-carriers and sophisticated missile systems. Beijing makes no secret of its determination to rule the oil-rich South China Sea, heedless of the claims of others such as Vietnam and the Philippines

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The Chinese foreign minister recently gave a speech in which he reminded the nations of South-East Asia that they are small, while China is very big.

Michael Auslin of the American Enterprise Institute described these remarks as the diplomatic equivalent of the town bully saying to the neighbours: ‘We really hope nothing happens to your nice new car.’

This year, China has refused stormbound U.S. Navy vessels admission to its ports, and in January chose the occasion of a visit from the U.S. defence secretary to show off its new, sophisticated J-20 stealth combat aircraft.

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Michael Auslin, like many other Americans, is infuriated by the brutishness with which the dragon is now flexing its military muscles: ‘We have a China that is undermining the global system that allowed it to get rich and powerful, a China that now feels a sense of grievance every time it is called to account for its disruptive behaviour.’

Washington was angered by Beijing’s careless response to North Korea’s unprovoked sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan a

When the U.S. Navy deployed warships in the Yellow Sea in a show of support for the South Korean government, Beijing denounced America, blandly denying North Korea’s guilt. The Chinese claimed that they were merely displaying even-handedness and restraint, but an exasperated President Obama said: ‘There’s a difference between restraint and wilful blindness to consistent problems.’

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Washington is increasingly sensitive to the fact that its bases in the western Pacific have become vulnerable to Chinese missiles. This is one reason why last week the U.S. made a historic agreement with Australia to station up to 2,500 U.S. Marines in the north of the country.

Beijing denounced the deal, saying it was not ‘appropriate to intensify and expand military alliances and may not be in the interests of countries within this region’.

Even within Australia, the agreement for the U.S. base has provoked controversy.

Hugh White of the Australian National University calls it ‘a potentially risky move’. He argues that, in the new world, America should gracefully back down from its claims to exercise Indo-Pacific hegemony, ‘relinquish primacy in the region and share power with China and others’.

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But Richard Haas, chairman of the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, says: ‘U.S. policy must create a climate in which a rising China is never tempted to use its growing power coercively within or outside the region.’

To put the matter more bluntly, leading Americans fear that once the current big expansion of Chinese armed forces reaches maturity, within a decade or so, Beijing will have no bourgeois scruples about using force to get its way in the world — unless America and its allies are militarily strong enough to deter them.

Meanwhile, in Beijing’s corridors of power there is a fissure between the political and financial leadership, and the generals and admirals.

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On the one hand, Chinese economic bosses are appalled by the current turmoil in the West’s financial

On the other, Chinese military chiefs gloat without embarrassment at the spectacle of weakened Western nations.
As America announces its intention to cut back defence spending, the Chinese armed forces see historic opportunities beckon. Ever since Mao Tse-tung gained control of his country in 1949, China has been striving to escape from what it sees as American containment.
The issue of Taiwan is a permanent open sore: the U.S. is absolutely committed to protecting its independence and freedom. Taiwan broke away from mainland China in 1949, when the rump of the defeated Nationalists under their leader Chiang Kai-shek fled to the island, and established their own government under an American security blanket.
China has never wavered in its view that the island was ‘stolen’ by the capitalists, and is determined to get it back.

Beijing was infuriated by America’s recent £4  billion arms deal with Taiwan which includes the sale of 114 Patriot anti-ballistic missiles, 60 Blackhawk helicopters and two minesweepers.

When I last visited China, I was struck by how strongly ordinary Chinese feel about Taiwan. They argue that the West’s refusal to acknowledge their sovereignty reflects a wider lack of recognition of their country’s new status in the world.
A young Beijinger named David Zhang says: ‘The most important thing for Americans to do is to stop being arrogant and talk with their counterparts in China on a basis of mutual respect.’ That is how many of his contemporaries feel, as citizens of the proud, assertive new China.

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But how is the West supposed to do business with an Asian giant that is not merely utterly heedless of its own citizens’ human rights, but also supports some of the vilest regimes in the world, for its own commercial purposes?

Burma’s tyrannical military rulers would have been toppled years ago, but for the backing of the Chinese, who have huge investments there.

A million Chinese in Africa promote their country’s massive commercial offensive, designed to secure an armlock on the continent’s natural resources. To that end, following its declared policy of ‘non-interference’, China backs bloody tyrannies, foremost among them that of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

China, like Russia, refuses to endorse more stringent sanctions against Iran, in response to its nuclear weapons-building programme, because Beijing wants Iranian oil. Indeed, Chinese foreign policy is bleakly consistent: it dismisses pleas from the world’s democracies that, as a new global force, it should play a part in sustaining world order.

If Chinese leaders — or indeed citizens — were speaking frankly, they would reply to their country’s critics: ‘The West has exploited the world order for centuries to suit itself. Now it is our turn to exploit it to suit ourselves.’

A friend of ours has recently been working closely with Chinese leaders in Hong Kong. I said to his wife that I could not withhold a touch of sympathy for a rising nation which, in the past, was mercilessly bullied by the West.

She responded: ‘Maybe, but when they are on top I don’t think they will be very kind.’ I fear that she is right

The country imprisons Nobel prizewinners such as the political activist and writer Liu Xiaobo, steals intellectual property and technological know-how from every nation with which it does business and strives to deny its people access to information through internet censorship.

The people of Tibet suffer relentless persecution from their Chinese occupiers, while Western leaders who meet the Dalai Lama are snubbed in consequence.

Other Asian nations are appalled by China’s campaign to dominate the Western Pacific. Japan’s fears of Chinese-North Korean behaviour are becoming so acute that the country might even abandon decades of eschewing nuclear weapons, to create a deterrent.

A few months ago, the Chinese party-controlled newspaper Global Times carried a harshly bellicose editorial, warning other nations not to frustrate Beijing’s ambitions in the South China Sea — Vietnam, for example, is building schools and roads to assert its sovereignty on a series of disputed islands also claimed by China.

The Beijing newspaper wrote: ‘If Vietnam continues to provoke China, China will . . . if necessary strike back with naval forces. If Vietnam wants to start a war, China has the confidence to destroy invading Vietnam battleships.’

This sort of violent language was familiar in the era of Mao Tse-tung, but jars painfully on Western susceptibilities in the 21st century. China’s official press has urged the government to boycott American companies that sell arms to Taiwan.

The Global Times, again, demands retaliation against the United States: ‘Let the Chinese people have the last word.’

Beyond mere sabre-rattling, China is conducting increasingly sophisticated cyber-warfare penetration of American corporate, military and government computer systems. For now, their purpose seems exploratory rather than destructive.

But the next time China and the United States find themselves in confrontation, a cyber-conflict seems highly likely. The potential impact of such action is devastating, in an era when computers control almost everything.

It would be extravagant to suggest that the United States and China are about to pick up a shooting war where they left off in November 1950, when Private Carl Simon suffered the shock of his young life on a North Korean hillside.

But we should be in no doubt, that China and the United States are squaring off for a historic Indo-Pacific confrontation.

Even if, for obvious economic reasons, China does not want outright war, few military men of any nationality doubt that the Pacific region is now the most plausible place in the world for a great power clash.

Michael Auslin of the American Enterprise Institute declares resoundingly: ‘America’s economic health and global leadership in the next generation depend on maintaining our role in the world’s most dynamic region.’

But the Chinese fiercely dissent from this view. It is hard to exaggerate the threat which this clash of wills poses for peace in Asia, and for us all, in the coming decades.

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ww3 was supposed to happen between ussr and usa but it didnt happen so there is no reason for it to happen between china and usa
 
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dont blame the thread starter... or he should be blamed... but british people are to be blamed too, british people spoil him, talking about China rise on and on, i bet he will act completely differently if he were living in other part of europe, say france or germany, the two countries are really really "nice" to Chinese people.:azn:

really, i witness all Chinese poster living in briton act like the thread starter, they just receive too much respect and become disrespectful themselves.
 
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There will be no WWIII. But local skirmishes between the US and Chinese Navies in the South China sea is a possibility and only after the Chinese Navy has built adequate muscle to take on their adversary. Therefore, this would not happen before 2020. In the meanwhile there would be plenty of rhetoric from both sides - a war of words and nothing else!

Cheers!
 
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Absolutely no possible,although some americans showing their arrogance still it's no longer our enemy.
Chinese like America,admire their style of living and set a goal to be like that for ourselves
 
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USA and the USSR hated each other, and even refused to trade with each other. Still, they did not go to war.

The USA and China on the other hand, have the world's largest bilateral economic relationship, and cooperate in many areas, to have earned the unofficial designation as the "G2". So I don't even see a Cold War happening, let alone a Hot War.

The current status quo is far too profitable for us to want a big change in the global system.
 
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USA goes to war with it's banker ? please just another BS article.

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USA and the USSR hated each other, and even refused to trade with each other. Still, they did not go to war.

The USA and China on the other hand, have the world's largest bilateral economic relationship, and cooperate in many areas, to have earned the unofficial designation as the "G2". So I don't even see a Cold War happening, let alone a Hot War.

The current status quo is far too profitable for us to want a big change in the global system.

Very true if any war occurs it will be a set of Proxy battles WW3 will only happen when no option is left.
 
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The fascist US police state should be sanctioned by the UN.

There is no point in trading with this fascist police state. It has national debts of 15 trillion dollars, state debts of 5 trillion dollars, and unfunded future liabilities at 50 trillion dollars. It has robbed its own citizens to power its military, this is theft on the greatest and cruelist scale.

20 million Americans make less than 6000 dollars per year. They are making Chinese wages, with American prices.

The greatest financial scam in history, the US treasury bonds, is ongoing.

if there was a war, the US would be able to hide its bad debt even further. There's no way out.

The only way to stop the US from lashing out and dragging the world down with it is for responsible nations to build up their nuclear arsenals to prevent US miscalculations.
 
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There is no point in trading with this fascist police state. It has national debts of 15 trillion dollars, state debts of 5 trillion dollars, and unfunded future liabilities at 50 trillion dollars. It has robbed its own citizens to power its military, this is theft on the greatest and cruelist scale.

I disagree.

We are making huge profits from selling our goods to America. Those profits are going back into China, and raising the average standard of living for our people.

When did we start being picky about which countries we trade with? Business is business.

What we need to worry about, is how to protect our own industries in case the US economy crashes again.
 
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I disagree.

We are making huge profits from selling our goods to America. Those profits are going back into China, and raising the average standard of living for our people.

When did we start being picky about which countries we trade with? Business is business.

nope, the profits are flowing straight back to Wall Street. Every last cent of USD that is not converted into oil, uranium, gold, land, coal, gas, iron, copper, silver, products or patents is wasted. Our export machine to the US was actually a trade of money+labor+resources (products) for technology. As the technological gap decreases, we have less use for this grossly exploitive and colonial trade relationship.

I predict a hyperinflation event in the US before 2015, followed by political collapse. It is best to dump as many US assets as possible before the bubble bursts in exchange for long term inelastically appreciating assets like oil, gold and coal.
 
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It is best to dump as many US assets as possible before the bubble bursts in exchange for long term inelastically appreciating assets like oil, gold and coal.

That's a good idea of course. But the Chinese government doesn't have many options in terms of "high-liquidity assets", it's either bonds from the USA, Europe or Japan. All of which don't look good at the moment.

In an ideal world, we would invest most of our reserves in tangible assets like land/factories/resources etc. But it is not an ideal world.

We have to decrease our holdings of US Treasury bonds, but it will take a long time. It won't happen quickly, and we can't stop trading with them either, at least not in the short term. It is just not practical.
 
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Absolutely no possible,although some americans showing their arrogance still it's no longer our enemy.
Chinese like America,admire their style of living and set a goal to be like that for ourselves

Don't post if you have nothing but pointless things to say.
 
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