Will Turkey receive F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from The USA?

[TheBlackCoat]

Turkey is a threat to the US and NATO. We should not sell F-35 to Turkey.

 

[dBSPL]

Turkey is a threat to the US and NATO. We should not sell F-35 to Turkey.

How and on what scale?
Please explain.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Honestly I dont think there is an urgent need for F-35. Other than Israel none of our neighbours are acquiring it and none are match to our air force. Their cost and upkeep would be burden right now. I would rather focus on air defence and TF-X right now. F-35 can be reconsidered in future when our relationships get milder.

Wrong. The Turkish F35s are actually very, very low-priced. And this is the reason why we can afford to buy more than 100 jets.

 

[Targon]

Turkey is a threat to the US and NATO. We should not sell F-35 to Turkey.

Turkey is not a threat to US.US is a threat to Turkey. Its US meddling in middle east from thousands of kms away, we are merely trying to secure our backyard. And you will stay a Pakistani till you die :p

 

[Oublious]

Turkey is a threat to the US and NATO. We should not sell F-35 to Turkey.

You are not a indian or a pakistani...

 

[Kamil_baku]

I suppose it depends on whether we need stealth or not. Because buying into a non NATO system comes with huge headaches too. Like friend or foe systems, weapons and integration etc.

We also expect the F35 to act as a sort of fleet commander because she's so integrate into other NATO systems, the Chinese or Russian systems won't have this capability and only act as a weapons platform that carries their weapons, not NATO ones.

I personally think we can go for cheaper F15C planes (second hand) if the F35 is somehow stopped (highly skeptical). At least until our TFX project takes proper shape and we can take it from there.



Fighter jets and UAV's are no match, not even close I'm afraid. Everyone expects gen7 fighters to be fully autonomous UAV's that will take the fighters places - not even gen6 planes are expected to be competitive drones on their part - just highly advanced jets.

Akinci is a great project, but if i'm not mistaken it's more like a predator drone (haven't looked at it in detail, but it looks to be in the same league).

You say there are not match but why not?

It is obvious that jets have better maneuver as they can run away better from air to air missiles.
But, what of these drones fires tens of those missiles? its obvious that they will down many jets if we calculate with the kill probability of those missiles plus AESA radar which is very resistant to Electronic attack...

on the other hand, they will look very small in the radar as they are smaller and less heat signature... probably jets will have better chance to shoot them down but at least you dont have a risk of loosing pilots.. just make tens of them again...

 

[SingaporeGuy]

what idiocy is this .....???

Azad shaib do you really understand what you have posted .... plz avoid such comment

JF-17 is not a fighter jet that turkey would want haha.

truth be told since the lobbying of the senators i am doubtful of the scheduled F-35 deliveries.

its always good to secure alternatives like J-31 and upgrade the avionics from there.

no doubt that USA is also worried that F-35 tech may get shared with anti USA nations or may be used to threaten israel or greece. USA believe it has implicit duty to make israel the military technological king in middle east.

Also, USA is a fair weather friend where interest is concerned .

Turkey may receive F35 but be left high and dry like Iran with F-14

 

[kartal1]

I think the S-400 and our HISAR is a bigger threat for Greek Pilots, than they are for us...

Turkey can modernize it's F-16s but will the US allow it? And is it worth it?



F-15E = Multirole and Strike fighter.

F-15 Eagle = Air superiority fighter.

Of course our air defenses will be a very big threat for the Greeks. If all goes like planned we will have one of the best layered air defense system in the world but we must also be able to counter threats from the air. If not F16 then we must hurry up with our Hurjet.

 

[azyr]

Of course our air defenses will be a very big threat for the Greeks. If all goes like planned we will have one of the best layered air defense system in the world but we must also be able to counter threats from the air. If not F16 then we must hurry up with our Hurjet.

Your comment made me think about our proposed air defense system and realize that it indeed looks very formidable.

• You've got the Hisar A-O-U systems for 15km, 25km and 40km (?) targets, a very valuable and modern SAM system by itself.
• Then you've got the S400 batteries for a much wider field of view (though granted, it's a crippled system because of the integration issues it'll face)
• You've also got the TF2000 ships which will be able to deploy around the country at whim - I rate this project nearly on par with the TFX
• Then you've also got the Eurosam project which will probably replace the S400's role and retire the S400 to much more direct and on-hands missions.
• And finally you've got numerous AA capable air platforms, like the F16 (to be replaced by the TFX), the F35, the Hürkuş and the Hürjet.
• Bonus : If we manage to smooth out relations with the US we also might get patriots on top of all this

Wow, if we actually manage to pull these projects off it looks VERY impressive.

But then again, Saddams Iraq was very impressive with her AA capabilities but they turned it into swiss cheese. You need a capable military in place to use these systems, I hope the government never forgets that.

 

[CAN_TR]

Your comment made me think about our proposed air defense system and realize that it indeed looks very formidable.

• You've got the Hisar A-O-U systems for 15km, 25km and 40km (?) targets, a very valuable and modern SAM system by itself.
• Then you've got the S400 batteries for a much wider field of view (though granted, it's a crippled system because of the integration issues it'll face)
• You've also got the TF2000 ships which will be able to deploy around the country at whim - I rate this project nearly on par with the TFX
• Then you've also got the Eurosam project which will probably replace the S400's role and retire the S400 to much more direct and on-hands missions.
• And finally you've got numerous AA capable air platforms, like the F16 (to be replaced by the TFX), the F35, the Hürkuş and the Hürjet.
• Bonus : If we manage to smooth out relations with the US we also might get patriots on top of all this

Wow, if we actually manage to pull these projects off it looks VERY impressive.

But then again, Saddams Iraq was very impressive with her AA capabilities but they turned it into swiss cheese. You need a capable military in place to use these systems, I hope the government never forgets that.

Hisar U = 100-150km

 

[azyr]

Hisar U = 100-150km

I've been corrected, thanks for the update. While we're on the subject do you know if all the systems are being developed at a similar rate or is the A and O more "finalized" then the U variant?

 

[kartal1]

Your comment made me think about our proposed air defense system and realize that it indeed looks very formidable.

• You've got the Hisar A-O-U systems for 15km, 25km and 40km (?) targets, a very valuable and modern SAM system by itself.
• Then you've got the S400 batteries for a much wider field of view (though granted, it's a crippled system because of the integration issues it'll face)
• You've also got the TF2000 ships which will be able to deploy around the country at whim - I rate this project nearly on par with the TFX
• Then you've also got the Eurosam project which will probably replace the S400's role and retire the S400 to much more direct and on-hands missions.
• And finally you've got numerous AA capable air platforms, like the F16 (to be replaced by the TFX), the F35, the Hürkuş and the Hürjet.
• Bonus : If we manage to smooth out relations with the US we also might get patriots on top of all this

Wow, if we actually manage to pull these projects off it looks VERY impressive.

But then again, Saddams Iraq was very impressive with her AA capabilities but they turned it into swiss cheese. You need a capable military in place to use these systems, I hope the government never forgets that.

It would look that way:

National Air Defence Systems

Korkut: 4km
Korkut-D: 4km
Hisar-MANPADS: 4km Altitude, 6km Range
Golden Cage C-RAM SAM: ???
Sapan Naval SAM Missile: RAM Equivalent
Hisar-A IIR: 10km Altitude, 16km+ Range
Hisar-O IIR/RF: 15km Altitude, 25km+ Range
Hisar-N: 20km Altitude, 50km Range
Hisar-OD: Rim-7 Sea Sparrow replacement, RIM-162 equivalent on performance.
Hisar-U (RF-IIR): Two projects commenced one as "Long Range Air/Missile Defense System and the other as "Advanced Long Range Area Air/Missile Defense System"

National Radars

EIRS radar (650+km)
STR radar (100+km)
ÇAFRAD (450-500km)
Kalkan-II radar (150+km)
MAR radar (100+km)
MAR-D radar (100+km)

Foreign SAM purchase

S-400

per @cabatli_53

SSM is also doing a work for the extending the range of the current Hisar systems and its versions. We would have very serious air defense .

 

[monitor]

F-35A ucagimizda gorulen Luneburg lens pasif radar reflektorleri radar kesit alanini yuzlerce kez arttiriyor. Amaci: 1)Harekat haricinde, gercek radar kesitini dusmandan saklayip karsi tedbir gelistirmesini engellemek. 2)Sivil trafikte ucarken radar gorunurlugunu saglamak.

Translated from Turkish by Microsoft
In our F-35a, the Relate Luneburg lens passive radar reflectors increase the radar cross-section area hundreds of times. Purpose: 1) to prevent the actual radar cross-section from falling apart, except for the operation. 2) to provide radar coverage while in civilian traffic.

 

[python-000]

Turkey is a threat to the US and NATO. We should not sell F-35 to Turkey.

Look who is talking an indian dog with American hat (We should not sell F-35 to Turkey)

 

[CAN_TR]

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