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Will Turkey be added to European list of undemocratic countries?

Buddy, she's not worth it. Let them keep demonize Turkey, we know better, we struggle to attain with the sweat of our own brow. You can't reason with people who don't have the slightest notion about dignity or honor. They'll live in their golden palaces we'll keep building our country for us and future generations, actions speak louder than words. Pakistanis are intelligent people, they know who deserves praise and respect
It is more a question of an economic threat perception by the EU who gets weaker by the day than of this newly found-to-be-used "stealth" policy of Human Rights to counter everything Europe perceives as a threat to its economy, culture, military and politics..
 
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Turkey's future lies with the East. Economic alliance with Caucasus-Non EU Balkan-Cntral Asian countries would bear more fruit. Unfortunately EU will not in near future grant Turkey-Albania-Kosovo-Bosnia membership. Rise of center and far right political groups all across EU says it all.
 
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Turkey's future lies with the East. Economic alliance with Caucasus-Non EU Balkan-Cntral Asian countries would bear more fruit. Unfortunately EU will not in near future grant Turkey-Albania-Kosovo-Bosnia membership. Rise of center and far right political groups all across EU says it all.
I disagree.

Despite all the problems right now, I still think Turkey's future lies with Europe and the West.

If you look at Turkey's history over the course of hundreds of years, you will notice that Turkey has been gradually moving westward in terms of culture, politics and economics.

People mistakenly think that Ataturk was the person who steered Turkey towards the West. In fact, Turkey has been steering westwards since Ottoman times. You can trace it all the way back to the 1600s. The process intensified during the Tanzimat era in the 1800s and was culminated when Ataturk came to power in the 1920s.

So, despite all the internal problems going on in Turkey today, I think these problems will eventually be overcome in the coming decade or so.

Turkey will eventually join the European Union and complete its integration with the West. It's not a question of if but when. It probably has to go through a democracy crisis, but it'll emerge better after it's all over.

As for economics, geography is destiny and Turkey's economy will likely remain tied to Europe for a very long time to come.

There's a huge, unstable landmass between Turkey and the economies of the Far East. Moreover, the economies of the Far East are export-driven economies. Their economies are centered on manufacturing goods that they end up selling to consumer societies in the West. The Far East won't buy Turkish goods. The Far Eastern economies are mainly interested in importing energy from resource-rich countries, which Turkey isn't.

As for the Caucasus countries, Turkey won't gain much from that region. Even Azerbaijan is running out of oil these days.

Turkey's main economic partners will continue to be Germany and other countries of the EU, which is exactly why I don't take any of the recent diplomatic spats between the Germans and Turks seriously because I know that economics trumps politics at the end of the day.
 
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Will Turkey be added to European list of undemocratic countries?
While various European countries have canceled pro-referendum rallies organized by Turkish politicians, the Monitoring Committee of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has called for Turkey to be added to its list of countries considered undemocratic.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...democracy-purge-europe-yildirim-akp-nazi.html

In a further blow to Turkey’s spotty global image, the Monitoring Committee of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) called March 8 for Turkey to come under its formal scrutiny, a status reserved for members that are deemed to be backsliding on democracy. Nine countries, including Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine and Russia are currently on that hook.

In a report statement the Strasbourg-based body, of which Turkey is a founding member, said, “Eight months after the [July 15] failed coup and the declaration of a state of emergency, the Monitoring Committee is concerned to note that there has been a serious deterioration of the functioning of democratic institutions in the country.”

A Final decision on Turkey's status is set to be made in April.

PACE cited the tidal wave of purges that have engulfed the country, with a quarter of all judges and prosecutors, a tenth of the police force, 30% of diplomats and 5,000 academics sacked without legal recourse. It also expressed alarm over widespread detentions of journalists and the lifting of immunity of 154 members of parliament.

The pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democractic Party is the worst hit, as practically all of its parliamentarians were stripped of their immunity and at least 10 of them, including co-chairs Figen Yuksekdag (she lost her seat altogether) and Selahattin Demirtas, are in jail.

“The committee's decision should be a wake-up call for members of the ruling Justice and Development Party to start questioning President [Recep Tayyip] Erdogan's heavy-handed tactics and strangling of Turkish democracy and rule of law,” said Aykan Erdemir, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a former member of parliament for the main opposition Republican People’s Party.

He told Al-Monitor, “It took Turkey 24 years to repair the damage of the brutal coup d'etat of 1980, and PACE closed Turkey's earlier monitoring process only in 2004. Thirteen years after that positive decision, it is sad to see Turkey's wasting of more than two decades of democratization efforts and backtracking to the repression of the 1980 junta."

The proposed downgrading of Turkey’s status came as German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned today that Turkey’s approach to democracy and the rule of law “are deeply problematic” to the country’s future cooperation with the European Union.

Since 2005, Turkey has been in formal talks for full membership in the European bloc, but the talks have hit a wall over the divided island of Cyprus, an array of reforms that Turkey has failed to deliver on and, above all, over the EU’s own resistance to admitting a large Muslim country.

Merkel also took aim at Erdogan’s weekend salvos that Germany was reliving its "Nazi" past, saying these were “completely out of hand.” Erdogan's comments were in response to a decision by the German authorities to cancel rallies in Cologne and Gaggenau in support of Erdogan’s proposed super-presidency due to worries about overcrowding. “I thought that Nazism was over in Germany, but it turns out that it is still going on,” Erdogan charged.

Erdogan’s drive to formalize the sweeping powers that he already exercises in a planned April 16 referendum are a matter of concern, the PACE Monitoring Committee said. “In light of the established violations of human rights under the state of emergency,” the committee urged Turkey to lift the state of emergency “as soon as possible, halt the publication of decree-laws which bypass parliamentary procedure, and to release all the detained parliamentarians and journalists pending trial, unless convicted."

But Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told a group of foreign reporters today that this would be extended beyond its April 19 expiration date. “It is certain at this point that it will be extended for another three months,” Yildirim said. “Of course it will not continue eternally,” he added. “We’ve taken care of the situation to a large extent.”
Present Turkish govt has strong feeling of insecurity. What is the best solution to get out from this insecurity ??? ....
 
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Does Shiaphobia run through the veins of every Saudi PDFer or something? I'm not Shiite lol.
At least your background is. You think you're an atheist but you still hold the prejudices of a Shia.
 
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Well for what it matters, she is a Shia, so there it is.
Just to make it clear. My post wasn't intended to disrespect Arabs. Turkey's relationship with the Arab world is essential for the region, and fortunately current arab societies are improving drastically compared to the previous generations including political leadership
 
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It's not about shia/ sunni you fool. The West refuses to accept Turkey because Turks are not European, period!

Turkey's future lies eastwards!

It's a matter of time before Turk's realize this racist behavior of the West and act accordingly.

At least your background is. You think you're an atheist but you still hold the prejudices of a Shia.
 
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Nothing new here.

Turkey has always been considered an Islamic outsider by Europe. Otherwise it would have been a member of the EU long ago. However, Europe cannot completely ignore Turkey because it is far too important.

Turkey is going to continue to enjoy a trade relation with Europe, but it is going to get more involved in the East as well. In other words, Turkey is going to reap the benefits of both world's. That is positive for Turkey.
 
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Stop acting more Turkish than the Turks lol.

I'm aware of Kuwait's problems and, unlike you, I'm well capable of being self-critical.

How pathetic. You just praised a murderer like Erdogan and then had the audacity to tell me to look at my own country rofl.

At least try to be consistent.

Good morning, greetings from ERDOĞAN...

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I disagree.

Despite all the problems right now, I still think Turkey's future lies with Europe and the West.

If you look at Turkey's history over the course of hundreds of years, you will notice that Turkey has been gradually moving westward in terms of culture, politics and economics.

People mistakenly think that Ataturk was the person who steered Turkey towards the West. In fact, Turkey has been steering westwards since Ottoman times. You can trace it all the way back to the 1600s. The process intensified during the Tanzimat era in the 1800s and was culminated when Ataturk came to power in the 1920s.

So, despite all the internal problems going on in Turkey today, I think these problems will eventually be overcome in the coming decade or so.

Turkey will eventually join the European Union and complete its integration with the West. It's not a question of if but when. It probably has to go through a democracy crisis, but it'll emerge better after it's all over.

As for economics, geography is destiny and Turkey's economy will likely remain tied to Europe for a very long time to come.

There's a huge, unstable landmass between Turkey and the economies of the Far East. Moreover, the economies of the Far East are export-driven economies. Their economies are centered on manufacturing goods that they end up selling to consumer societies in the West. The Far East won't buy Turkish goods. The Far Eastern economies are mainly interested in importing energy from resource-rich countries, which Turkey isn't.

As for the Caucasus countries, Turkey won't gain much from that region. Even Azerbaijan is running out of oil these days.

Turkey's main economic partners will continue to be Germany and other countries of the EU, which is exactly why I don't take any of the recent diplomatic spats between the Germans and Turks seriously because I know that economics trumps politics at the end of the day.

your liberal claptrap was worthless 10-20 year ago.

but now it us deluded

take a look at Europe, see the lurch to the right

both the moralising by European states who are seeing resurgent nationalism and racism and the idea that these states want a major muslim state as part of Europe is major delusion on your part
 
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When Seljuqs first came to Anatolia in 11th century, they didn't adopted the title Sultan of Turks but instead they adopted the title Sultans of Rome. Even though Ottomans weren't a direct Seljuq successor, they used the title as well, claiming that they are the sole successors of Roman emperors. This is not about Republican Period or Ottoman times, Turks have been facing towards the West for almost a thousand years now. We are no different than Polish and/or Russians in that matter. We need to figure out how we position ourselves to start with.

Capitalism does not like societies that closes themselves to the outside world, this is why West decided to wage a war against Muslims. Without a doubt, with the current situation of the Muslim world, they will win. Turks should position themselves accordingly. We could be the next Iran, a crippled economy with no real high-tech production base. Or we could stay to be Republic of Turkey, enjoying an alliance with the West while retaining our relations with Eastern countries.

And btw, with whom in the East we should ally ourselves exactly? With China, a state we have quarreled with for about 2000 years or so? With India, who can offer absolutely nothing that Germany or US can't? Even a moderate FTA with those nations could swallow our economy. I study in the university where Aselsan's next generation radar modules and Atak's MMW radar is being R&D'ed. 90 percent of my teachers had their doctorates from the universities in the US, while remaining of them came from EU countries. West is where our technology base is coming from. No one in the East can offer such a deal for us.
 
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Greetings from Greater Kurdistan in embryo:

:enjoy::enjoy::enjoy:



My background isn't Shiite either. It's funny how some members on this forum think they know me better than I know myself lol. This must be a new level of butthurt or something. :D

Rofl in your depiction u selectively left out kurdish majority areas of Iran,in the yellow part of the map below, these area was called Mahabad and was a independent state in 1930s/40s which Iran occupied. Iran also executed many Kurds during 1996 revolt to suppress them.

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Rofl in your depiction u selectively left out kurdish majority areas of Iran,in the yellow part of the map below, these area was called Mahabad and was a independent state in 1930s/40s which Iran occupied. Iran also executed many Kurds during 1996 revolt to suppress them.

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Good luck to the Kurds of Iran as well.
 
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@Kuwaiti Girl

watch this vdo, this mite tell u why Erdogan has support

Erdogan reminds me of Adnan Menderes.

Menderes also started off very well, but he ended up becoming more autocratic as time went by.

Power corrupts. Erdogan should've left office back in 2012. He would've gone down in history as a good leader who changed Turkey for the better.

Right now, however, Turkey is sliding into authoritarianism, which isn't a pleasant sight. It'll simply lead to more instability in the region over the coming years.
 
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