Will TSMC someday become an American company?

[kankan326]

TSMC has agreed to submit all required information to US. This is a fast surrender. No resistance at all. Considering already TSMC was forced by US government to build most advanced fabs in US. It is clear that TSMC will be part by part moved to US. Next step should be moving the R&D center and top engineers to US.

As mainland Chinese, I don't give a damn about that. Many people said TSMC could be an asset if China takes over Taiwan. No. TSMC can only survive in US established ecosystem. It is like an ice in refrigerator. The day Taiwan is reunified, it melts.

The biggest loser of the story is Taiwan and Taiwanese. The pro-US DPP has been brainwashing Taiwanese that China is Taiwan's biggest enemy. Everyone in Taiwan knows DPP's "抗中保台”(resist China and protect Taiwan) slogan. Turns out resisting China has opposite effect on Taiwan. Taiwan has lost all leverages to US because of DPP's hating China kissing US policy. It would give anything US wants. TSMC should have been a powerful weapon for Taiwan. It should've said no to US because it has bargining chips-----those top technologies that no one can match. Too bad Taiwan screwed up in its suicidal democratic political games. If TSMC leaves Taiwan, all the downstream and supporting companies will have to follow. Taiwan's future is doomed. Today no Taiwan media even reported that news. Weird. Isn't Taiwan supposed to have press freedom?

Another victim is South Korea. Taiwan's surrender makes Samsung's resistance meaningless. Koreans should hate DPP as much as US government.

US is not the winner. Far from that. US lost another score to its allies and people like Taiwanese who blindly trust US. Weakening Taiwan actually helps China. It makes the reunification much easier.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Looks like the Taiwanese don't want their technology to fall into China's hands and they're moving their assets abroad including techs.

 

[Song Hong]

Intel has access to all technologies, but seems that Indian infested Intel is now having cancer. Intel is 3 generation behind TSMC.

Unless US ship in all TSMC managers and engineers, there is no way US can recreate advance IC fabrication natively.

 

[rott]

When the Japanese surrendered in 1945 there were around 300k of them in Taiwan. In order to not get persecuted for their war crimes they took off their uniform and changed their names to Chinese and assimilated. That's why that English Tsai is the bastard of a Japanese and won't support ethnic Chinese. The real Chinese should unmask these fake Chinese and bring them up for their war crimes.

 

[gambit]

Unless US ship in all TSMC managers and engineers, there is no way US can recreate advance IC fabrication natively.

Do you seriously believe that? I am in the semicon manufacturing industry and stationed in a US fab. Intel is building up in New Mexico. Texas Instruments just bought the Utah site from Micron, and Micron is expanding in their Virginia site. There is no way the US can build or replicate any semicon product? I got no problems if you are anti-US, but do not be so stupid about it, especially when the facts are abundant to find. What a cringy comment...

 

[rott]

Do you seriously believe that? I am in the semicon manufacturing industry and stationed in a US fab. Intel is building up in New Mexico. Texas Instruments just bought the Utah site from Micron, and Micron is expanding in their Virginia site. There is no way the US can build or replicate any semicon product? I got no problems if you are anti-US, but do not be so stupid about it, especially when the facts are abundant to find. What a cringy comment...

What happened to your janitor job?

 

[obj 705A]

No it will not become an American company, it will become a Chinese (PRC) company.
While it's true that Taiwan will share and probably transfer as much technology as possible to the US however no matter how much of a US puppet they are they will not outrightly sell out everything they have, they are a province that lives on industry and tech so they will not just give up what provides them with food on the table. and when the PLA inevitability moves to regain Taiwan (hopefully this decade) the military assault will be sudden, so it's not like Taiwan will manage to sell off everything they have in the few days during which the war will last.

regaining Taiwan will not be a shortcut for semiconductor dominance for China, because TSMC itself is also dependant on the west, not only that but SMIC will probably be closer to being on par with (if not surpass) TSMC by the time the reunification happens.

 

[rott]

No it will not become an American company, it will become a Chinese (PRC) company.
While it's true that Taiwan will share and probably transfer as much technology as possible to the US however no matter how much of a US puppet they are they will not outrightly sell out everything they have, they are a province that lives on industry and tech so they will not just give up what provides them with food on the table. and when the PLA inevitability moves to regain Taiwan (hopefully this decade) the military assault will be sudden, so it's not like Taiwan will manage to sell off everything they have in the few days during which the war will last.

regaining Taiwan will not be a shortcut for semiconductor dominance for China, because TSMC itself is also dependant on the west, not only that but SMIC will probably be closer to being on par with (if not surpass) TSMC by the time the reunification happens.

We also need to get rid of those fake Chinese hiding in Taiwan.

 

[Song Hong]

No it will not become an American company, it will become a Chinese (PRC) company.
While it's true that Taiwan will share and probably transfer as much technology as possible to the US however no matter how much of a US puppet they are they will not outrightly sell out everything they have, they are a province that lives on industry and tech so they will not just give up what provides them with food on the table. and when the PLA inevitability moves to regain Taiwan (hopefully this decade) the military assault will be sudden, so it's not like Taiwan will manage to sell off everything they have in the few days during which the war will last.

regaining Taiwan will not be a shortcut for semiconductor dominance for China, because TSMC itself is also dependant on the west, not only that but SMIC will probably be closer to being on par with (if not surpass) TSMC by the time the reunification happens.

US has all the technologies on paper and datasheet, as much as they want. They need the engineers and smart managers to pull it off. But anyone who setup shop in US, will be mandated to hire Indian managers.

Then everything go sht hole.

Indians elites are joining the Anglo world through cross border migration. Indians are far more integrated within the Anglo sphere than French.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Legally speaking, it depends on Morris Chang, he and other primary stakeholders could be as American as Jensen Huang (NVIDIA), Lisa Su (AMD) or David Lam (Lam Research) and such. Tan Hock Eng (Broadcom) was almost compelled to become American if his complex legal restructuring didn't work out. The future of TSMC depends on how Beijing & Washington play the talent attraction game, Washington has been very good at this for decades, if Bezos lives in Cuba there's no Amazon, if Steve Jobs in Syria there's no Apple, if Musk stays in South Africa there's no Tela. But IMO Beijing is quite confident in winning TSMC eventually, well let's see how this unfold.

 

[Song Hong]

No point shipping in entire Chinese engineers to US. The US want these Chinese engineers to transfer their knowhow to non Chinese. Preferable the US fab can be run by Indians.

Not sure how US can pull this off.

 

[MH.Yang]

We should strive to improve China's chip technology and break everything with economies of scale.

 

[Shotgunner51]

the US fab can be run by Indians.

Global Foundries, the largest fab on US soil, is not owned by US but by UAE, maybe that's why Indians are hired to run the fab?

 

[Song Hong]

Global Foundries, the largest fab on US soil, is not owned by US but by UAE, maybe that's why Indians are hired to run the fab?

The US are helping Indians today like what they are helping China during 1980s. They would desperately like to move production to India but unfortunately Indians are too incompetent. The Anglo and Brahmins finally settled on elevating large numbers of Indian elites to CEO and managers of big tech, as well as yearly hundredth of thousands of H1Bs.

Many Chinese engineers blame themselves for not being able to be more aggressive and presentable for promotion. They failed to see it is a top design to suppress Chinese and elevate Indians.

 

[faithfulguy]

Global Foundries, the largest fab on US soil, is not owned by US but by UAE, maybe that's why Indians are hired to run the fab?

Indians are good engineers and some even made good CEOs. But they would never achieve what they did in if they stayed in India.