Will The Egyptian And Turkish Militaries Clash In Libya?

[cabatli_53]

How did you ever become a moderator? You can't even write proper English and your bias is clearly one way which is not the requirement of a moderator who should be nuetral only.

Instead, from what I'm trying to understand from your English is that you're insulting my fellow Egyptians and myself by calling us "coup lovers when their gangs." Is that the behavior of a moderator? And what about your erDOGan and the 15,000 mercenaries/terrorists that he brought into Libya and to our border? You think that is ok? What would you do if we did the same thing in Greece or Cyprus and brought 15,000 mercenaries from Iraq or even Syria to help Greece fight a civil war that will come all the way to the turkish border? What would you or the dog himself feel about that? Same as we are at the moment or would you just throw your arms up in the air and say "oh well, it's no bid deal, let them do what they want to do and we'll just deal with the terrorist when they end up infiltrating into our country. Yeah, we'll wait until then!" Is that what you would do? Help me understand so that I know the level of your bias and hypocrisy as well as how to reply to you and other moderators where I can insult them in the same manner.

As to the following sentence from you - "It seems we will make these guys cry more in following days." is that you are so sure that your military and army will do what, exactly? Please explain in details as to what you're referring to. And to all the others blow-hearts who think they'll answer for him, try not to because I'll ignore you since I'm only interested in what this supposed moderator is saying exactly.

I am not insulting any Egyptian. I have just told a FACT based on events that took place in Egypt. Sisi is a coup plotter dictator who toppled a democratically elected president by using force against own nation. The people who is supporting this dictator is simply called as the coup lovers (excluding the one who was forced to support him). A claptrap election that was done under the shadow of coup don’t change this fact. It is also known that you are not representing the majority of Egyptian. There are millions of people who thinks otherwise.

There is a wierd situation in your arguments. I didn’t see any of you who is talking about Wagner, Chad, Niger or Sudanese terrorists that was collected all around the region under the command of Hafter and sent to the capital of Libya to topple the Libyan government but Thanks to Turkey’s intervention, The situation was turned in favor of UN recognized government and Hafter terrorists lost the ground in Libya. This time, Sisi government who has never considered Wagner/Sudan/Chad terrorists a national security issue next to their borders, immediately started generating excuses in panic mode by pointing the soldiers fighting under the command of UN recognized Libya government. All these desperate maneouvrings were happened when the direction of wind were changed. That is what we are calling as “Crying” on Hypocrite faces.
If you had an objective and true stance that is aiming to serve for the peace of Libyan people, You would have opposed any foreign mercenaries/groups/countries that was interfered into the affairs of Libyan people but you have a selective logic that was set up to protect your terrorists. It is the reason you are seeking a reason to accuse other side with showing this or that reason. (as if) you are not the one who is violating the ethic and international rules by openly supporting the gangs. These are the same gangs who was collected all around the region with Gulf money and what they are doing is to destabilise the Libya by using force. Playing victim to hide your real intention (While your Hafter are being defeated by GNA) won’t change the situation that your Haftet were fallen. At present, You are just struggling to protect them at all cost, before the situation didn’t went into a pure humiliation.

In a conflict or civil war conditions, The countries having border to related state have rights to secure their borders by establishing a buffer zone. Egypt has right to do this but... Pointing your fingers towards a city of a sovereign country and drawing a red line in acc to Sisi and Gulf’s political benefits by generating a reason for your military intervention is a nonsense argument at international scale. If you do this, You will have to face with many difficulties at international arena so While legitimate government is securing its borders from terrorists, what you are going to do will be around the limits drawn by the UN rules. Turkey is helping GNA by the requests of UN recognized government and doing everything in paralel to UN regulations. If you are worried about the weapons supplied by Turkish government, You should firstly oppose to Egypt, UAE and France weapons that was supplied to coup plotter Hafter. It wasn’t Turkey that started all this mess close to your borders. When you advice others to obey the rules that you don’t obey, That is being called as hypocrisy and bias in our vocabulary So check your own pathetic comprehension before accusing others. You asked my thoughts about these matters and I have just given the answers accordingly. Mr. Arrogant but desperate coup lover boy!

 

[T-123456]

How did you ever become a moderator? You can't even write proper English and your bias is clearly one way which is not the requirement of a moderator who should be nuetral only.

Instead, from what I'm trying to understand from your English is that you're insulting my fellow Egyptians and myself by calling us "coup lovers when their gangs." Is that the behavior of a moderator? And what about your erDOGan and the 15,000 mercenaries/terrorists that he brought into Libya and to our border? You think that is ok? What would you do if we did the same thing in Greece or Cyprus and brought 15,000 mercenaries from Iraq or even Syria to help Greece fight a civil war that will come all the way to the turkish border? What would you or the dog himself feel about that? Same as we are at the moment or would you just throw your arms up in the air and say "oh well, it's no bid deal, let them do what they want to do and we'll just deal with the terrorist when they end up infiltrating into our country. Yeah, we'll wait until then!" Is that what you would do? Help me understand so that I know the level of your bias and hypocrisy as well as how to reply to you and other moderators where I can insult them in the same manner.

As to the following sentence from you - "It seems we will make these guys cry more in following days." is that you are so sure that your military and army will do what, exactly? Please explain in details as to what you're referring to. And to all the others blow-hearts who think they'll answer for him, try not to because I'll ignore you since I'm only interested in what this supposed moderator is saying exactly.

Take a better look at what you wrote and apply the same logic to your country.
You have the audacity to call red lines on the legitimate government of a sovereign country on its soil?

 

[achhu]

Jul 9, 2020

With Turkey vowing to support more offensives by its ally in the Libyan civil war, Egypt might intervene militarily on the opposite side, potentially leading to a dangerous conflict between the Turkish and Egyptian militaries in that North African nation.

Turkey has supplied armed drones, military advisors and Syrian mercenaries to the U.N.-recognized Government of National Accord (GNA), which is battling the eastern-based Libyan National Army (LNA) led by General Khalifa Haftar. Turkish aid has helped the GNA break the LNA’s lengthy siege on the capital Tripoli, first launched in April 2019, and go on the offensive against Haftar’s forces.

That enormous strategic setback for Haftar greatly irked his backers, which include the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, France and Russia.

Turkey is adamant about retaining its growing military presence in western Libya and wants to help the GNA push on further eastward and seize more strategically important territories from Haftar, if not topple the warlord’s rule over eastern Libya altogether.

On June 5, Erdogan’s communications office tweeted that the LNA-held al-Jufra airbase, the largest in the country, and the strategically important city of Sirte are next on the GNA’s target list.

That wasn’t the first time that Turkey and the GNA have stated these two targets are next. The two allies scored a string of victories against the LNA in May, capturing the western al-Watiya airbase and breaking the LNA’s siege on Tripoli.

Russia delivered a fleet of 14 MiG-29 Fulcrum jet fighters and Su-24 Fencer bombers to Al-Jufra in late May. The fact that the planes are notably unmarked and Russia denies supplying them to the LNA might well mean that Russia wouldn’t retaliate directly if Al-Jufra is captured or those planes are destroyed by a Turkish-backed GNA offensive.

Egypt is growing increasingly frustrated over the present situation in Libya and has hinted that it will intervene directly in the conflict.

In late June, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi declared that “Sirte and al-Jufra are a red line” for Egypt while touring an base on the Egyptian-Libyan border, where he watched fighter jets and helicopters take off in a clear show of force.

“Be prepared to carry out any mission here within our borders or, if necessary, outside our borders,” he told Egyptian military personnel.

On July 4, unidentified warplanes attacked al-Watiya, where Turkey had begun deploying some of its MIM-23 Hawk air defense missiles. The attack came after a two-day visit to Libya by Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar and Chief of Staff Yasar Gular, a visit that underscored Turkey’s military commitment to western Libya and likely frustrated Haftar and his foreign backers.

One report states that French-made jets, possibly Dassault Rafales, bombed al-Watiya. If true, that would strongly indicate the attack was carried out by Egypt, which possesses a fleet of those formidable multirole jets.

Egyptian Rafales are also equipped with long-range air-to-surface Storm Shadow missiles, meaning that the warplanes could have evaded any low to medium-altitude air defenses when striking al-Watiya relatively easily.

If proven beyond a doubt, this would indicate that Egypt is serious about intervening directly in the conflict and ensuring the Turkish-backed GNA is not allowed advance any further.

Turkey has mostly low-altitude air defenses, armed Bayraktar TB2 drones, and military advisers on the ground in Libya. It has beefed up the GNA’s manpower by paying thousands of Syrian militiamen to fight alongside them against the LNA.

If Egypt were to intervene in the near future militarily, it could quickly put the GNA back on the defensive unless Turkey substantially increases its military presence.

Turkey has already shown its willingness to flex its military muscles in the North African state.
In June, for example, Turkish F-16s flew across the Mediterranean and carried out an eight-hour drill off Libya’s coast in a 2,000 kilometer (roughly 1,250 miles) round trip. That was a clear demonstration of the Turkish Air Force’s ability to intervene in the Libyan conflict.

A Turkish F-16 and a frigate take part in 'Blue Homeland 2019' naval drill in Antalya, Turkey on ... [+]
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Also, Turkish Navy guided-missile frigates, former U.S. Navy Oliver Hazard Perry-class warships, have operated off the Libyan coast where they have actively helped defend Tripoli’s airspace. On April 1, one of those frigates even fired an SM-1 surface-to-air at an LNA drone.

The Turkish Navy could continue to lend such support and potentially even deter Egyptian warplanes from attacking GNA-held territories near the coast. However, Turkey will need more substantive air power than drones over Libyan skies in the event of significant Egyptian military intervention on the LNA side.

While Turkey can use tanker aircraft to fly its F-16s to Libya, without any airfields those jets could only loiter over the battlefield for relatively short periods before making the long flight back home. That would make sustaining combat air patrols quite a challenge logistically.

Neighboring Algeria and Tunisia have declined Turkish requests to use their airbases.

On the other hand, Egypt does not have such a problem given its proximity to the battlefield.
Another option Turkey might take would be to deploy its F-16s in western Libyan airbases such as al-Watiya, which would be a hugely significant development.

One Turkish columnist writing in a pro-government newspaper even suggested in June that, “Nobody should be surprised if Turkish F-16s and attack helicopters are seen at the military bases in this country.”

Again, even in such a scenario, Egypt would still have an advantage considering Turkey would not likely risk attacking airbases in Egypt itself. However, its military aircraft would be under the constant threat of attack when based on Libyan soil.

Also, even a substantial deployment of Turkish air, ground, and naval forces to the Libyan war zone would not likely be enough if it comes to an actual war with the Egyptian military.

According to the 2020 Military Strength Ranking, Egypt today has a stronger military than Turkey, with Egypt ranked ninth and Turkey in 11th place.

Unlike their Egyptian counterparts, Turkish F-16s are armed with long-range AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, which could prove advantageous if both American-made jets find themselves engaged in dogfights over Libya.

On the other hand, Egyptian Rafales are far more advanced and formidable warplanes than Turkey’s aging F-4 Phantom IIs. Egypt possesses AH-64 Apache gunships while Turkey still operates AH-1W Cobras.

Egyptian M1A1 Abrams tanks take part in military exercise. (Photo by KHALED DESOUKI / AFP via Getty ... [+]
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On the ground, if Turkey sends its armor to Libya, it might find its German-made Leopard II and vintage American-made M60 Patton tanks would have a hard time if they found themselves engaging Egypt’s American-made M1A1 Abrams and Russian-made T-90 tanks in battle.

Also, Turkey would have to transport its armor across the Mediterranean while Egypt would just have to drive its across the border.

Of course, such a dangerous escalation between these two major military powers is certainly neither inevitable nor desirable for either side given how costly and dangerous it would likely prove to be.

With that being said, expect more tense saber-rattling and the flexing of military muscles between Turkey and Egypt over Libya in the coming weeks and months.


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very good that both countries are fighting.

 

[Faheka]

You guys are talking like Egypt is a sovereign country making it own decisions based on national interests but that isn't the case.. I'm sorry but we are talking about a 100 million population taking orders from a emirate with no history to speak of. Really sad state of affairs. Sisi get his power from Arab sheik money and not from his people. SA and the UAE is the real culprit here. Maximum pressure on them on all fronts is the way to Sisis heart.

Meanwhile Ethiopia is filling the dam...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281279518729101312

 

[cabatli_53]

You guys are talking like Egypt is a sovereign country making it own decisions based on national interests but that isn't the case.. I'm sorry but we are talking about a 100 million population taking orders from a emirate with no history to speak of. Really sad state of affairs. Sisi get his power from Arab sheik money and not from his people. SA and the UAE is the real culprit here. Maximum pressure on them on all fronts is the way to Sisis heart.

Meanwhile Ethiopia is filling the dam...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281279518729101312

Congrats for Ethopia ! They have finally started filling the dam.

 

[Gomig-21]

I am not insulting any Egyptian. I have just told a FACT based on events that took place in Egypt. Sisi is a coup plotter dictator who toppled a democratically elected president by using force against own nation. The people who is supporting this dictator is simply called as the coup lovers (excluding the one who was forced to support him). A claptrap election that was done under the shadow of coup don’t change this fact. It is also known that you are not representing the majority of Egyptian. There are millions of people who thinks otherwise.

BS!! lol! You have no clue what you're talking about and do us all a favor and stop acting like you know who and what is going on inside of Egypt better than an Egyptian himself! So take all that BS you just wrote and stick it where the sun don't shine. That's the dumbest load of crap I've read here so far and there is A LOT of crap written on this forum and to have that title is hardly flattering, believe me!

There is a wierd situation in your arguments. I didn’t see any of you who is talking about Wagner, Chad, Niger or Sudanese terrorists that was collected all around the region under the command of Hafter and sent to the capital of Libya to topple the Libyan government but Thanks to Turkey’s intervention, The situation was turned in favor of UN recognized government and Hafter terrorists lost the ground in Libya. This time, Sisi government who has never considered Wagner/Sudan/Chad terrorists a national security issue next to their borders, immediately started generating excuses in panic mode by pointing the soldiers fighting under the command of UN recognized Libya government. All these desperate maneouvrings were happened when the direction of wind were changed. That is what we are calling as “Crying” on Hypocrite faces.

That's also another load of steaming crap! lol. Egypt supported the LNA from the start right when the Libyan House of Representatives appointed Haftar as field marshal and head of the Libyan National Army which then became strengthened by the groups you mentioned. Those groups were not terrorist nor were they engaged in any terrorist activities AGAINST EGYPT which is our #1 concern. You anti-Egyptians will find any excuse to shift things around to paint a bad picture. Our only concern is to protect our national security and borders from infiltration which had been happening. Once the LNA sided with Egypt and swore to assist it in protecting the border (even with intel only and we did the bombings), that was fine by us.

You, on the other hand, bring in terrorist on your own navy ships into Libya!!!!!!! What a crock of BS! 15,000 terrorists pretending to be militias and you think we're going to accept that on our borders? lol. Red line red line red line until it bleeds.

If you had an objective and true stance that is aiming to serve for the peace of Libyan people, You would have opposed any foreign mercenaries/groups/countries that was interfered into the affairs of Libyan people but you have a selective logic that was set up to protect your terrorists.

And what about the 15,000 mercenaries and terrorists you brought in? LOL! Talk about hypocrisy!
The Chadians, Sudanese, Wagners etc. were brought in by the LNA to help them. We didn't ship them over and that was the LNA Libyan desire to strengthen their militias. Those don't pose a terrorist threat to Egypt but YOU, and YOUR TERRORIST who are on YOUR PAYROLL are most certainly deemed terrorist of the worst and filthiest kind.

In a conflict or civil war conditions, The countries having border to related state have rights to secure their borders by establishing a buffer zone.

Wow, really? Amazing that you actually think that.

Pointing your fingers towards a city of a sovereign country and drawing a red line in acc to Sisi and Gulf’s political benefits by generating a reason for your military intervention is a nonsense argument at international scale.

Really? How quick we forget that Egypt proposed the Cairo Declaration prior to this red line because it wants to see Libya reach a diplomatic solution because of this civil war AND because you had stuck your fingers in there now. Once you've gotten involved, things are totally different and I love the greater part of the turkish hypocrisy that you're there to help the Libyan people hahahahahaha! What a joke. Every one knows why you're sticking your unwanted crap in a hugely oil-rich country that is in shambles and that is right next door to one of many countries that despise you.

If you are worried about the weapons supplied by Turkish government, You should firstly oppose to Egypt, UAE and France weapons that was supplied to coup plotter Hafter. It wasn’t Turkey that started all this mess close to your borders. When you advice others to obey the rules that you don’t obey, That is being called as hypocrisy and bias in our vocabulary So check your own pathetic comprehension before accusing others. You asked my thoughts about these matters and I have just given the answers accordingly. Mr. Arrogant but desperate coup lover boy!

LOL. And you call me the arrogant one! Amazing that you were appointed moderator but not really, actually.

Take a better look at what you wrote and apply the same logic to your country.
You have the audacity to call red lines on the legitimate government of a sovereign country on its soil?

Absolutely! Red line, Purple Line Black line any color you prefer. But that line is there to stay and the consequences will be dire for the GNA and it's supporters when it comes to the security of Egypt.

Congrats for Ethopia ! They have finally started filling the dam.

Hahaha, listen to this "moderator" wishing for the Nile to dry out and hurt Egyptian people of all kinds. The incredible childish behavior of goonship is astonishing. This, ladies and gentlemen is what we are dealing with.

I wonder if any of us wished such ill on the Turkish people? Anyone? I didn't think so because we're hardly inhuman scum like that to stoop to such a low, pathetic and filthy level. Congrats, you've earned the title.

 

[Glass]

@Gomig-21 So ur Ethiopian masters have started to fill the dam, what can we expect?

 

[olcayto]

@Gomig-21 So ur Ethiopian masters have started to fill the dam, what can we expect?

Only this

 

[Baybars Han]

Egypt doesn’t care about Turkey stealing Oil from western Libya or fighting with Greece or Cyprus ... the only thing that will lead to clash ...is the Turkish Troops and their Syrian mercenaries slaves approaching the Egyptian western boarders by 1000 KM .... the other thing is those Erdo adventures in the Mediterranean approaches the Egyptian EEZ ....

Those are the 2 Egyptian Red Lines ..... otherwise , you can invade / Kill / steal whatever you want .

Listen i dont even support Erdoğan, but how stupid are you man? Why are you not against France that is looting arab countries?

 

[Baybars Han]

On a personal level, Turks and Egyptians shouldnt be enemies. **** the government's, both countries dont have any real adverse interests. UAE is being a rattle snake as always

 

[Oublious]

@Gomig-21 So ur Ethiopian masters have started to fill the dam, what can we expect?

They will go for a full show off, shining tanks, soldiers equipt with weapons and gear, missile systems going full on crazy millitair parade with flying fighers.


oooh ther are most fake and old....

 

[Gomig-21]

@Gomig-21 So ur Ethiopian masters have started to fill the dam, what can we expect?

"Ethiopian masters"? How are they our masters? Because they built a dam to take them out of the mideival ages and bring power to their homes instead of the majority of their houses operating with gas-powered generators? You'll have to explain that one and also explain why you turks get so happy and gritty when you see potential difficulty and sorrow possibly happening to the Egyptian people? Are you that evil that you would wish such a thing? Or is it just childish play to stick it to us like little children do to each other?

Many of you are just new to this affair and don't even know the history behind the efforts Egypt has put into coming up with an amicable resolution to the dam and none of it has anything to do with Ethiopia NOT having a dam. 11 years we've been trying to come to terms that would help everyone, since 2009 when the dam was only on blueprints. The speed of filling it is where the impact is drastic and they don't even care about that. That's ok, because believe me, when something threatens the lives of Egyptian people, it stops becoming a discussion and turns into something much more undesirable and that's the last thing anyone really wants.

 

[Ceylal]

Take a better look at what you wrote and apply the same logic to your country.
You have the audacity to call red lines on the legitimate government of a sovereign country on its soil?

A red line written with chalk...

 

[zectech]

You'll have to explain that one and also explain why you turks get so happy and gritty when you see potential difficulty and sorrow possibly happening to the Egyptian people? Are you that evil that you would wish such a thing?

The remind me of a CiA trolls that get happy when they see dead Asians. For example, there is flooding in China, they try to use the story to demoralize the Chinese. They only are exposing their true self.

 

[T-123456]

Absolutely! Red line, Purple Line Black line any color you prefer. But that line is there to stay and the consequences will be dire for the GNA and it's supporters when it comes to the security of Egypt.

Lets see if your country is not Obama.