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Will The Egyptian And Turkish Militaries Clash In Libya?

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With Turkey vowing to support more offensives by its ally in the Libyan civil war, Egypt might intervene militarily on the opposite side, potentially leading to a dangerous conflict between the Turkish and Egyptian militaries in that North African nation.

Turkey has supplied armed drones, military advisors and Syrian mercenaries to the U.N.-recognized Government of National Accord (GNA), which is battling the eastern-based Libyan National Army (LNA) led by General Khalifa Haftar. Turkish aid has helped the GNA break the LNA’s lengthy siege on the capital Tripoli, first launched in April 2019, and go on the offensive against Haftar’s forces.

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That enormous strategic setback for Haftar greatly irked his backers, which include the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, France and Russia.

Turkey is adamant about retaining its growing military presence in western Libya and wants to help the GNA push on further eastward and seize more strategically important territories from Haftar, if not topple the warlord’s rule over eastern Libya altogether.

On June 5, Erdogan’s communications office tweeted that the LNA-held al-Jufra airbase, the largest in the country, and the strategically important city of Sirte are next on the GNA’s target list.

That wasn’t the first time that Turkey and the GNA have stated these two targets are next. The two allies scored a string of victories against the LNA in May, capturing the western al-Watiya airbase and breaking the LNA’s siege on Tripoli.

Russia delivered a fleet of 14 MiG-29 Fulcrum jet fighters and Su-24 Fencer bombers to Al-Jufra in late May. The fact that the planes are notably unmarked and Russia denies supplying them to the LNA might well mean that Russia wouldn’t retaliate directly if Al-Jufra is captured or those planes are destroyed by a Turkish-backed GNA offensive.

Egypt is growing increasingly frustrated over the present situation in Libya and has hinted that it will intervene directly in the conflict.

In late June, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi declared that “Sirte and al-Jufra are a red line” for Egypt while touring an base on the Egyptian-Libyan border, where he watched fighter jets and helicopters take off in a clear show of force.

“Be prepared to carry out any mission here within our borders or, if necessary, outside our borders,” he told Egyptian military personnel.

On July 4, unidentified warplanes attacked al-Watiya, where Turkey had begun deploying some of its MIM-23 Hawk air defense missiles. The attack came after a two-day visit to Libya by Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar and Chief of Staff Yasar Gular, a visit that underscored Turkey’s military commitment to western Libya and likely frustrated Haftar and his foreign backers.

One report states that French-made jets, possibly Dassault Rafales, bombed al-Watiya. If true, that would strongly indicate the attack was carried out by Egypt, which possesses a fleet of those formidable multirole jets.

Egyptian Rafales are also equipped with long-range air-to-surface Storm Shadow missiles, meaning that the warplanes could have evaded any low to medium-altitude air defenses when striking al-Watiya relatively easily.

If proven beyond a doubt, this would indicate that Egypt is serious about intervening directly in the conflict and ensuring the Turkish-backed GNA is not allowed advance any further.

Turkey has mostly low-altitude air defenses, armed Bayraktar TB2 drones, and military advisers on the ground in Libya. It has beefed up the GNA’s manpower by paying thousands of Syrian militiamen to fight alongside them against the LNA.

If Egypt were to intervene in the near future militarily, it could quickly put the GNA back on the defensive unless Turkey substantially increases its military presence.

Turkey has already shown its willingness to flex its military muscles in the North African state.
In June, for example, Turkish F-16s flew across the Mediterranean and carried out an eight-hour drill off Libya’s coast in a 2,000 kilometer (roughly 1,250 miles) round trip. That was a clear demonstration of the Turkish Air Force’s ability to intervene in the Libyan conflict.

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A Turkish F-16 and a frigate take part in 'Blue Homeland 2019' naval drill in Antalya, Turkey on ... [+]
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Also, Turkish Navy guided-missile frigates, former U.S. Navy Oliver Hazard Perry-class warships, have operated off the Libyan coast where they have actively helped defend Tripoli’s airspace. On April 1, one of those frigates even fired an SM-1 surface-to-air at an LNA drone.

The Turkish Navy could continue to lend such support and potentially even deter Egyptian warplanes from attacking GNA-held territories near the coast. However, Turkey will need more substantive air power than drones over Libyan skies in the event of significant Egyptian military intervention on the LNA side.

While Turkey can use tanker aircraft to fly its F-16s to Libya, without any airfields those jets could only loiter over the battlefield for relatively short periods before making the long flight back home. That would make sustaining combat air patrols quite a challenge logistically.

Neighboring Algeria and Tunisia have declined Turkish requests to use their airbases.

On the other hand, Egypt does not have such a problem given its proximity to the battlefield.
Another option Turkey might take would be to deploy its F-16s in western Libyan airbases such as al-Watiya, which would be a hugely significant development.

One Turkish columnist writing in a pro-government newspaper even suggested in June that, “Nobody should be surprised if Turkish F-16s and attack helicopters are seen at the military bases in this country.”

Again, even in such a scenario, Egypt would still have an advantage considering Turkey would not likely risk attacking airbases in Egypt itself. However, its military aircraft would be under the constant threat of attack when based on Libyan soil.

Also, even a substantial deployment of Turkish air, ground, and naval forces to the Libyan war zone would not likely be enough if it comes to an actual war with the Egyptian military.

According to the 2020 Military Strength Ranking, Egypt today has a stronger military than Turkey, with Egypt ranked ninth and Turkey in 11th place.

Unlike their Egyptian counterparts, Turkish F-16s are armed with long-range AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, which could prove advantageous if both American-made jets find themselves engaged in dogfights over Libya.

On the other hand, Egyptian Rafales are far more advanced and formidable warplanes than Turkey’s aging F-4 Phantom IIs. Egypt possesses AH-64 Apache gunships while Turkey still operates AH-1W Cobras.

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On the ground, if Turkey sends its armor to Libya, it might find its German-made Leopard II and vintage American-made M60 Patton tanks would have a hard time if they found themselves engaging Egypt’s American-made M1A1 Abrams and Russian-made T-90 tanks in battle.

Also, Turkey would have to transport its armor across the Mediterranean while Egypt would just have to drive its across the border.

Of course, such a dangerous escalation between these two major military powers is certainly neither inevitable nor desirable for either side given how costly and dangerous it would likely prove to be.

With that being said, expect more tense saber-rattling and the flexing of military muscles between Turkey and Egypt over Libya in the coming weeks and months.


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Stupid article.
Turkey is in Libya for supporting role for GNA only. Turkey won't fight a war with Egypt in Libyan soil.
But...
Turkey is determined to protect his crucial interests in the Mediterranean Sea and Libya. It may even lead to a naval clash with Egypt depending how stupid will Sisi be or how much will UAE pay Egypt.
 
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Stupid article.
Turkey is in Libya for supporting role for GNA only. Turkey won't fight a war with Egypt in Libyan soil.
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Turkey is determined to protect his crucial interests in the Mediterranean Sea and Libya. It may even lead to a naval clash with Egypt depending how stupid will Sisi be or how much will UAE pay Egypt.

Egypt doesn’t care about Turkey stealing Oil from western Libya or fighting with Greece or Cyprus ... the only thing that will lead to clash ...is the Turkish Troops and their Syrian mercenaries slaves approaching the Egyptian western boarders by 1000 KM .... the other thing is those Erdo adventures in the Mediterranean approaches the Egyptian EEZ ....

Those are the 2 Egyptian Red Lines ..... otherwise , you can invade / Kill / steal whatever you want .
 
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Be honest to yourself. These features belong to the Westerners, not us.

Really , what about the below pic & interview .... that Sultan is setting their pointing at the Great Lands of Libya ... dividing it saying without shame ... he wants the oil and Gas fields in Eastern Libya ..... plz, be honest like your Sultan .

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Really , what about the below pic & interview .... that Sultan is setting their pointing at the Great Lands of Libya ... dividing it saying without shame ... he wants the oil and Gas fields in Eastern Libya ..... plz, be honest like your Sultan .

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Dont worry the sultan is already planning regime change in egypt should sissi dares to confront turkish army. Sissis army only know how to oppress their own people and should support stay quo if it wants to survive. Dont risk creating a Free Egyptian army to the place of sissi army
 
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Dont worry the sultan is already planning regime change in egypt should sissi dares to confront turkish army. Sissis army only know how to oppress their own people and should support stay quo if it wants to survive. Dont risk creating a Free Egyptian army to the place of sissi army

This arrogance and hypocrisy will destroy Turkey ....:disagree:

I’m only afraid of that Muslims losing Istanbul again for Christians like what happened in Andalusia after destroying Turkey due to that crazy person Erdo and his adventures to divide the Muslim world ... and you #Erdofans who support his craziness and killing of other Muslims, will burn in hell enshallah.
 
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Egypt doesn’t care about Turkey stealing Oil from western Libya or fighting with Greece or Cyprus ... the only thing that will lead to clash ...is the Turkish Troops and their Syrian mercenaries slaves approaching the Egyptian western boarders by 1000 KM .... the other thing is those Erdo adventures in the Mediterranean approaches the Egyptian EEZ ....

Those are the 2 Egyptian Red Lines ..... otherwise , you can invade / Kill / steal whatever you want .
Brother, the security and peace in Libya is paramount to Egypt's interests.. much more than Oil that it wants all Libyans to benefit from their natural resources..So they can live in peace..unlike Turkey who obviously wants to benefit From those resources too.. for.. "its help", but that is not allowed; not for supporting a temporary government that wants to govern with terrorist militias, neither for a Turkish military presence in there, as long as the Arabs are concerned.. Hence even ready for direct confrontation..
 
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This arrogance and hypocrisy will destroy Turkey ....:disagree:

I’m only afraid of that Muslims losing Istanbul again for Christians like what happened in Andalusia after destroying Turkey due to that crazy person Erdo and his adventures to divide the Muslim world ... and you #Erdofans who support his craziness and killing of other Muslims, will burn in hell enshallah.
We know what will happen to Istanbul and muslim will destroy the disbelieving army and its supporters.
Dont blame me for arrogance but blame the hypocrites who toppled a legitimate and pious leader and dont think Egyptians have forgotten it. They just waiting for the sultan to make a decisive move and he will inshaAllah should sissi ever dare to confront Turkish army. Allah's punishment is coming for those who supported evil. Just wait a bit and you will see inshaAllah
 
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10 years ago this entire concept of war between Turkey and Egypt would have been practically laughable
now look how far things have gone
what a world
 
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Everything was great for these coup lovers when their gangs were marching to make a coup in UN recognized government. These kind of cryings were started to be heart, when UN recognized government kicked the back of Gulf supported coup plotter gangs in Libya. That’s the reason their crying were heart all around the World now and It seems we will make these guys cry more in following days. They most probably got informed about coming storm so they started risen the volume of crying so making military maneuvrings by moving their military toys left and right while their propaganda sources started to make BS news. Patience guys !
 
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Everything was great for these coup lovers when their gangs were marching to make a coup in UN recognized government. These kind of cryings were started to be heart, when UN recognized government kicked the back of Gulf supported coup plotter gangs in Libya. That’s the reason their crying were heart all around the World now and It seems we will make these guys cry more in following days. They most probably got informed about coming storm so they started risen the volume of crying so making military maneuvrings by moving their military toys left and right while their propaganda sources started to make BS news. Patience guys !

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How did you ever become a moderator? You can't even write proper English and your bias is clearly one way which is not the requirement of a moderator who should be nuetral only.

Instead, from what I'm trying to understand from your English is that you're insulting my fellow Egyptians and myself by calling us "coup lovers when their gangs." Is that the behavior of a moderator? And what about your erDOGan and the 15,000 mercenaries/terrorists that he brought into Libya and to our border? You think that is ok? What would you do if we did the same thing in Greece or Cyprus and brought 15,000 mercenaries from Iraq or even Syria to help Greece fight a civil war that will come all the way to the turkish border? What would you or the dog himself feel about that? Same as we are at the moment or would you just throw your arms up in the air and say "oh well, it's no bid deal, let them do what they want to do and we'll just deal with the terrorist when they end up infiltrating into our country. Yeah, we'll wait until then!" Is that what you would do? Help me understand so that I know the level of your bias and hypocrisy as well as how to reply to you and other moderators where I can insult them in the same manner.

As to the following sentence from you - "It seems we will make these guys cry more in following days." is that you are so sure that your military and army will do what, exactly? Please explain in details as to what you're referring to. And to all the others blow-hearts who think they'll answer for him, try not to because I'll ignore you since I'm only interested in what this supposed moderator is saying exactly.
 
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