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Hamas leaders' denials of a crisis in their organization’s relations with Iran have been put to rest. It is now official. In a July 24 interview with Al Jazeera, senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk admitted in no uncertain terms that Iran has discontinued the military and civilian support it had extended to the Palestinian group for years. In addition to the staggering quantity of weapons smuggled into Gaza, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had provided counseling, briefings and training for members of Hamas’ military wing, thus setting the movement’s tone and modus operandi for a very long time. In other words, Hamas, which enjoyed a considerable infusion of weaponry and money, had been Iran’s proxy on Israel’s southern border.

Even when the movement’s pragmatic members thought that extra caution should be exercised in relations vis-à-vis Israel, the organization’s military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, acted as an independent body, whose interests overlapped those of its Iranian patron. The position adopted by Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas' political bureau, opposing President Bashar al-Assad after the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, resulted in the split from Tehran. Yet, over the years, there were factions that maintained ties with the Iranian regime, hoping to somehow mend fences between the two sides. This is all now a thing of the past.

Ties with Iran and its military aid had not been instantly severed. A channel of communication remained open between the movement's senior member, Mahmoud al-Zahar, and Iran, or “our friend,” as he preferred. As a perk, Zahar received some assistance provided to him on a personal basis. Ismail Haniyeh, deputy chief of Hamas’ political bureau, was more careful. In February 2012, he paid a visit to Iran, to the displeasure of Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the Qatari emir, who had briefly supported the movement.

The leaders of the military wing — Ahmed Jabari, who was killed by the Israel Defense Forces at the start of Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades commander Muhammed al-Deif — also maintained ties with Iran, knowing that if they wanted to keep their military power and maintain their elevated standing within the movement, they had to fight to remain in Iran’s good graces. They knew full well that Tehran's assistance was irreplaceable. Several attempts were made last year to organize a reconciliation meeting between Meshaal and officials in Tehran, but they came to naught.

Meshaal had no choice but to make a fateful decision for his movement — rapprochement with Saudi Arabia. This could turn Hamas from a movement ruled and guided by its military wing, which has often resulted in confrontations with Israel, into a movement once again dominated by its political wing. This will not happen overnight, but the repercussions of having Hamas under Saudi aegis should not be taken lightly.

The Saudi money that will be transferred to the movement won't be allocated for armaments. Traditionally, Saudi support has always been offered as humanitarian aid for Arab countries in distress. The same holds true for the residents of Gaza. It is more than likely that in the constellation between Israel and Saudi Arabia in connection to the nuclear crisis with Iran, one of the ironclad rules that King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud presented to Meshaal was that the monarchy’s money would be used exclusively for Gaza's rehabilitation and alleviating the plight of its residents.

It would seem, therefore, that this new alliance might weaken Hamas' military wing, chipping away at its standing. The flow of cash to the movement from Saudi Arabia will likely not be channeled through Deif or anyone from the military wing, but to the movement’s civilian bodies. Abu Marzouk, who founded the movement’s political bureau, is considered a financial wiz and therefore a natural to become Hamas’ “finance minister.” The transfer of money to the military wing will be controlled and measured.

When it comes to relations with Israel, it stands to reason that the views of Hamas' new patron, the Saudi king, will prevail. The king prefers to abstain from unnecessary military adventures against Israel or challenges that might embarrass his country vis-à-vis the United States. Hamas has fallen into a honey trap and will have to conduct itself accordingly. Those wanting the movement to abandon terror have looked forward to exactly such a situation. If the Palestinian organization acts in keeping with the standards of conduct determined by the Saudis, it will be able to claw itself out of its financial straits, which otherwise could bring about its collapse. If it chooses to go down the wrong path, its financial lifeline will be cut off.

Yet it is too early to paint an idyllic picture of Hamas in the coming years, since it is a movement that has become a body in which everyone does as he pleases. In the past two years, the movement has established a new headquarters in Turkey, operated by Saleh al-Arouri. How will the “sheriff from Istanbul,” as he is known, behave? It is highly doubtful that he will toe the line with the political bureau. In the past year, Arouri has demonstrated that he operates independently, does not take orders from the movement and leads an uncompromising armed struggle against Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA).

Of course, there’s another important unknown: How will Hamas’ rapprochement with Saudi Arabia affect the PA and President Mahmoud Abbas? The tensions between Hamas and the PA in general and the Fatah movement in particular, which also enjoy Saudi support, has reached new heights in recent months. The exchange of accusations between the two sides as well as a wave of arrests of Hamas activists in the West Bank have brought the relationships between the two movements to the verge of explosion. Will Saudi Arabia have a placating effect on the two sides?

Throughout its existence, Hamas has faced dramatic decisions that changed both its character and conduct. It again finds itself at such a watershed. Teaming up with Saudi Arabia is apparently the only move that can save it from collapse given that all other avenues have been blocked. After nearly nine years of the crippling blockade against Gaza, three bloody wars with Israel and a population of 1.8 million in distress, Hamas has no choice but to draw certain conclusions from its past mistakes, learn its lessons and change its policy.
 
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This article has so much misinformation. No wonder it came from 'Israel pulse' in Al Monitor. Even OP is embarrassed to post link.

Mahmoud Zahar doesn't get any personal 'gifts' from anybody. Deif doesn't come out in public and funds are managed through the movement. There is no divide within the movement. There are different views on approach to conflict no views on choosing one alliance over another. The siege is not intended only for Hamas, it is for the population in Gaza and West Bank to capitulate and surrender their rights. That way the I/P conflict will be off the table for Israel.

As for Iran-Hamas ties. I'm the one who's been stating for a long time now that they're already cut long ago. The people who disputed are:

-Iranians who want to champion the cause
-Gulf Arabs who want to demonize Hamas by portraying them as pawns to Iran

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It turned out both of you are liars. And I was the one who was being honest the whole time.

ألا لعنة الله على الكاذبين

يا زنادييق :lol:

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OP, you can gloat as you wish like the idiot you are. But I can guraantee you that Hamas will be much better off than your regime and country. Your country is on verge of exploding and the government is detaining hundreds of people a day. Everyone that's coming back from Jordan say the situation is very tense. :lol:
 
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Iran were traditionally the backers of Hamas. I don't see why or what KSA can gain from supporting them financially. KSA should try to reach a diplomatic solution to the conflict (Arab Peace Initiative) and mostly focus on the relations with the official Palestinian leadership in the West Bank. Preferably the Palestinian elites should quit their divisions and join hands together for the sake of their people and country. They have the most to lose.

KSA nor anyone else will change anything on the ground. Israel, the Palestinians and the US hold the keys to a solution of this tiring conflict.

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really hope that Salman and the new regime knows what they are doing.

KSA should strive for Arab unity regardless of political ideologies and countries so having relations with Hamas might not be such a bad thing if this can help solving political obstacles in that conflict.

No doubt that the regime and especially people in KSA (as anywhere in the Arab world) are supporting the fundamental rights of their brothers and sisters in Palestine and a Palestinian state. But it's not up to the common man and woman but the people in power.
 
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Hopefully the changes will really translate into a more pragmatic Hamas, one can hope.

Hamas is pragmatic and is only genuine party in the region that will accept two state solution. The terrorists in Israel, PA, Jordan and Egypt want to subjugate the Palestinian people and drive them out. When those terrorists have peace on their agenda, peace will be had immediately. Currently they're only interested in dominating the common man in the region. The common man needs to blow them up and push in their assholes so they stop oppressing them.

According to Ahmed Jordan Egypt not transferring an ill dying woman through a border to get treatment outside. Then allowing her to die and not allowing the family in Gaza to get her body for another whole week just so they could send a message to Hamas is 'peace effort'. Go **** yourself, you Zanadeeq in Jordan and Egypt need to be killed brutally to end your terrorism and inhumanism. And God is guiding the resurgance of Islam, the warriors will stomp on your heads you dirtbags, all the Mujahideen are very close to ending the Tawagheet la3ankum Allah.

The Mujahideen have plans for Jordan, you have no idea what will happen this year. Even in Hadith it is mentioned that they will liberate Jordan and enter West Bank from Jordan. Good riddance to your terrorist, perverted , agent, pig regimes. I will cheer and morally support them the day they rip through your terrorist regime. God bless those angels and make that day sooner than we can imagine.

As soon as Jordanian/Egyptian terrorist regimes are toppled, the Arab and Muslim world will reap the fruits of the liberation.
 
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Hamas is pragmatic and is only genuine party in the region that will accept two state solution. The terrorists in Israel, PA, Jordan and Egypt want to subjugate the Palestinian people and drive them out. When those terrorists have peace on their agenda, peace will be had immediately. Currently they're only interested in dominating the common man in the region. The common man needs to blow them up and push in their assholes so they stop oppressing them.

According to Ahmed Jordan Egypt not transferring an ill dying woman through a border to get treatment outside. Then allowing her to die and not allowing the family in Gaza to get her body for another whole week just so they could send a message to Hamas is 'peace effort'. Go **** yourself, you Zanadeeq in Jordan and Egypt need to be killed brutally to end your terrorism and inhumanism. And God is guiding the resurgance of Islam, the warriors will stomp on your heads you dirtbags, all the Mujahideen are very close to ending the Tawagheet la3ankum Allah.

The Mujahideen have plans for Jordan, you have no idea what will happen this year. Even in Hadith it is mentioned that they will liberate Jordan and enter West Bank from Jordan. Good riddance to your terrorist, perverted , agent, pig regimes. I will cheer and morally support them the day they rip through your terrorist regime. God bless those angels and make that day sooner than we can imagine.

As soon as Jordanian/Egyptian terrorist regimes are toppled, the Arab and Muslim world will reap the fruits of the liberation.
You know, there has never been a time in Jordan's history when it was not under various threats at the same time. If there was I struggle to remember it. If none of those past threats achieved their goals what makes you think they will now? What ever guise they pretend to be under they're all the same, they've pulled every card imaginable (revolt, jihad, resistance) so they better come up with something new this time or the Jordanian people will quickly know their true intentions from a mile away. Something to think about for the so called mujahideen.

Iran were traditionally the backers of Hamas. I don't see why or what KSA can gain from supporting them financially. KSA should try to reach a diplomatic solution to the conflict (Arab Peace Initiative) and mostly focus on the relations with the official Palestinian leadership in the West Bank. Preferably the Palestinian elites should quit their divisions and join hands together for the sake of their people and country. They have the most to lose.

KSA nor anyone else will change anything on the ground. Israel, the Palestinians and the US hold the keys to a solution of this tiring conflict.

Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really hope that Salman and the new regime knows what they are doing.

KSA should strive for Arab unity regardless of political ideologies and countries so having relations with Hamas might not be such a bad thing if this can help solving political obstacles in that conflict.

No doubt that the regime and especially people in KSA (as anywhere in the Arab world) are supporting the fundamental rights of their brothers and sisters in Palestine and a Palestinian state. But it's not up to the common man and woman but the people in power.
Through returning Hamas into a political entity with an armed wing rather than a terrorist group with a PR division, reconciliation with the other Palestinian parties becomes possible which would create a united Palestinian front, without which the Arab peace initiative cannot work.
 
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You know, there has never been a time in Jordan's history when it was not under various threats at the same time. If there was I struggle to remember it. If none of those past threats achieved their goals what makes you think they will now? What ever guise they pretend to be under they're all the same, they've pulled every card imaginable (revolt, jihad, resistance) so they better come up with something new this time or the Jordanian people will quickly know their true intentions from a mile away. Something to think about for the so called mujahideen.

Jordan was never threatened at all in any time in its history, 20 militants will topple your regime. Islamist movements are refraining right now because Syria is more important to the Arab world and they don't want to risk material support from nations. Once Syria is done with, Sisi and Abdullah and Abbas are toast. And if they're toast we know the West will dedicate 1 million troops to protect them. They will fail though and this is mentioned in our hadith.

Don't get me started with your dumb, useless joke of a population. Your population will bow down to Islamists when this time comes.
 
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I really hope that Salman and the new regime knows what they are doing.

KSA should strive for Arab unity regardless of political ideologies and countries so having relations with Hamas might not be such a bad thing if this can help solving political obstacles in that conflict.
Exactly. I believe that is the goal of the Saudi government actually.
 
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Through returning Hamas into a political entity with an armed wing rather than a terrorist group with a PR division, reconciliation with the other Palestinian parties becomes possible which would create a united Palestinian front, without which the Arab peace initiative cannot work.

Exactly. I believe that is the goal of the Saudi government actually.

I don't know what the exact plans are if there are any. The problem is that the people won't even know this while in most states in the West the population is briefed about their rulers foreign policy directly and they can also influence it directly. Not in the Arab world/MENA though.:lol:

All I know is that every Palestinian political fraction regardless of ideological differences should try to unite as much as possible in order to strengthen their common cause. It makes the job for the Arab world much more difficult when there is a lack of unity or when there are hostilities between Hamas and Abbas or political fractions in Palestine overall. The conflict as it is is already extremely complex.

Look at the Syrian opposition. It's too divided too while they should all join hands for the sake of their nation regardless of ideology.

Also what I described earlier in the "Syrian civil war thread" about the dire situation in the Arab world, we see an example of in this thread where two neighbors (an Palestinian and Jordanian) (you can both ask yourself what the difference was between those people just 100 years ago) are insulting each other and their countries. Had it not been for those 100 year old borders you might have been neighbors in your ancestral cities/villages. Same story in many other parts of the Arab world.

We should really try to avoid that. In reality you both know that most Palestinians and Jordanians (Muslims, Christians as Atheists) stand together on most topics and have solidarity.

The Arab community here on PDF is mostly united and close and that should be the case whenever possible. We should try to actively strive for a better region starting from our own countries.

Again the problem is the "my way or the highway" approach which is the most common approach in the Arab world unfortunately. An poisonous approach that has destroyed a lot in the region.

Just look at some of the debates in our part of the world. I get that we are passionate people by nature but I think that I have made my point.

A bit of political maturity and a broader perspective, especially while the region is in chaos, would not hurt one bit! Just saying!
 
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I don't know what the exact plans are if there are any. The problem is that the people won't even know this while in most states in the West the population is briefed about their rulers foreign policy directly and they can also influence it directly. Not in the Arab world/MENA though.:lol:

All I know is that every Palestinian political fraction regardless of ideological differences should try to unite as much as possible in order to strengthen their common cause. It makes the job for the Arab world much more difficult when there is a lack of unity or when there are hostilities between Hamas and Abbas or political fractions in Palestine overall. The conflict as it is is already extremely complex.

Look at the Syrian opposition. It's too divided too while they should all join hands for the sake of their nation regardless of ideology.

Also what I described earlier in the "Syrian civil war thread" about the dire situation in the Arab world, we see an example of in this thread where two neighbors (an Palestinian and Jordanian) (you can both ask yourself what the difference was between those people just 100 years ago) are insulting each other and their countries. Had it not been for those 100 year old borders you might have been neighbors in your ancestral cities/villages. Same story in many other parts of the Arab world.

We should really try to avoid that. In reality you both know that most Palestinians and Jordanians (Muslims, Christians as Atheists) stand together on most topics and have solidarity.

The Arab community here on PDF is mostly united and close and that should be the case whenever possible. We should try to actively strive for a better region starting from our own countries.

Again the problem is the "my way or the highway" approach which is the most common approach in the Arab world unfortunately. An poisonous approach that has destroyed a lot in the region.

Just look at some of the debates in our part of the world. I get that we are passionate people by nature but I think that I have made my point.

A bit of political maturity and a broader perspective, especially while the region is in chaos, would not hurt one bit! Just saying!
There have always been differences between East and West Bank populations (not violent ones but differences nonetheless). Historically speaking, Northern Jordanians have more in common with Syrians actually while southern Jordanians have more in common with Hijazis.

I agree that maturity and broader perspective is needed though.
 
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There have always been differences between East and West Bank populations (not violent ones but differences nonetheless). Historically speaking, Northern Jordanians have more in common with Syrians actually while southern Jordanians have more in common with Hijazis.

I agree that maturity and broader perspective is needed though.

Brother, if we look at all those topics in great detail you can find such differences in every single country, historical region, between cities, hell even villages in the Arab world. Even in the same family and between brothers you can find differences if you want to! The point here is that Palestinians and Jordanians (like most other Arab to Arab relations) have 1000 times more things that unite them than things that divide them.

Let me give you an example. In Makkah people hardly ate seafood traditionally. In Jeddah 85 km away they always ate a lot due to being a port city next to the tropical Red Sea. Meanwhile in Taif 100 km away from Makkah (a city located almost 2000 meters above sea level) people ate many more fruits and vegetables because the environment allowed this. The Hijazi Arabic dialects spoken in those ancient cities of Hijaz and regions and customs were also/are to this day slightly different.

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ta'if - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet there are many more things that unite them than divides them. Same thing with Palestinians and Jordanians and most other Arabs. It's sad that many of us cannot realize this.

But let's fight about which regime is better than the other and let's not forget the Sunni or Shia divide! We need a dose of that each evening and morning.:rofl:
 
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Hamas is pragmatic and is only genuine party in the region that will accept two state solution. The terrorists in Israel, PA, Jordan and Egypt want to subjugate the Palestinian people and drive them out. When those terrorists have peace on their agenda, peace will be had immediately. Currently they're only interested in dominating the common man in the region. The common man needs to blow them up and push in their assholes so they stop oppressing them.

According to Ahmed Jordan Egypt not transferring an ill dying woman through a border to get treatment outside. Then allowing her to die and not allowing the family in Gaza to get her body for another whole week just so they could send a message to Hamas is 'peace effort'. Go **** yourself, you Zanadeeq in Jordan and Egypt need to be killed brutally to end your terrorism and inhumanism. And God is guiding the resurgance of Islam, the warriors will stomp on your heads you dirtbags, all the Mujahideen are very close to ending the Tawagheet la3ankum Allah.

The Mujahideen have plans for Jordan, you have no idea what will happen this year. Even in Hadith it is mentioned that they will liberate Jordan and enter West Bank from Jordan. Good riddance to your terrorist, perverted , agent, pig regimes. I will cheer and morally support them the day they rip through your terrorist regime. God bless those angels and make that day sooner than we can imagine.

As soon as Jordanian/Egyptian terrorist regimes are toppled, the Arab and Muslim world will reap the fruits of the liberation.

your beloved terrorists are trying for years and they could not take 1 cm of land our country is getting stronger every day the time for what you wish for in Egypt is long gone about your support to terror it is not a surprise after all you are a palstinian
 
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