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Will Saudi Arabia save Hamas?

We don't have agenda, even if they did they are a tiny movement inside Palestine. Palestine is the agenda. Nothing else, as far as foreign agenda. Arab nations are closet to foreigners not Hamas. :D

I'm talking about MB in general .
Man, they were about to put Egypt in huge trouble and they did many disgusting things I'm not going to post it here ! :partay:

Come to the other forum and there we can discuss comfortably. ^ ^
 
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Hamas is not trustable they are backstabbers they betrayed Palestine before anyone else



and who are you so god agrees with(astaghfirullah) you are becoming zindeq you should ask god for tawbah

Salman you are always looking to create tensions whenever we discuss Arab affairs. Just like yesterday. I and most other sane Arabs (believe me despite all the current ills most of us are sane) consider Shia Arabs whether from KSA, Iraq, Bahrain, Yemen or Kuwait etc. as Muslim brothers and sisters and fellow Arabs and humans. If I saw an injustice being done against an Shia Arab (for example someone beating him or her) I would not think twice and try to take his side even if it was against a Sunni Muslim Shafi'i like myself.

We need to stop the divides and move our region forward. Enough of this! Between Muslims and neighbors too in the region really.

Also from what I remember you are anti-Hamas and hate/dislike the House of Saud so you would be happy if both were burned or maybe you even want all the majority Sunni Arab countries to burn due to politics? In such a case you should support Daesh suicide bombings in Eastern Province etc. so Sunni and Shia Arabs in KSA can kill each other too like in Iraq where sadly too many brothers are killing each other for absolutely insane reasons.
 
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Salman you are always looking to create tensions whenever we discuss Arab affairs. Just like yesterday. I and most other sane Arabs (believe me despite all the current ills most of us are sane) consider Shia Arabs whether from KSA, Iraq, Bahrain, Yemen or Kuwait etc. as Muslim brothers and sisters and fellow Arabs and humans. If I saw an injustice being done against an Shia Arab (for example someone beating him or her) I would not think twice and try to take his side even if it was against a Sunni Muslim Shafi'i like myself.

We need to stop the divides and move our region forward. Enough of this! Between Muslims and neighbors too in the region really.

Also from what I remember you are anti-Hamas and hate/dislike the House of Saud so you would be happy if both were burned or maybe you even want all the majority Sunni Arab countries to burn due to politics? In such a case you should support Daesh suicide bombings in Eastern Province etc. so Sunni and Shia Arabs in KSA can kill each other too like in Iraq where sadly too many brothers are killing each other for absolutely insane reasons.
I don't want to see anyone destroyed or burned to ashes specially what happened in Syria and Libya

It's the other way around if you got to the arab forum who want to see Iraq destroyed they cheer for ISIS and want to see the hashed al shaabi fail
 
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I don't want to see anyone destroyed or burned to ashes specially what happened in Syria and Libya

It's the other way around if you got to the arab forum who want to see Iraq destroyed they cheer for ISIS and want to see the hashed al shaabi fail

I am happy about that.

Those are a few idiotic trouble makers that have been brainwashed by hatred and political affairs. They often cannot think independently and do not care about history but only sect. They would probably cheer (in secret) if Shia Arabs in their own countries were killed by Daesh maniacs.

Just ignore them as I do not believe that any sincere Muslim can support Daesh maniacs.

Sadly some people are like that and also sadly some Shia Arabs also wish the worst for Sunni Arabs in their own countries.

That is why we need to leave this silly sectarian nonsense. We are all Muslims, Arabs, neighbors and humans first of all.

@SALMAN AL-FARSI


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Very good message. Wish more followed this.
 
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Hamas leaders' denials of a crisis in their organization’s relations with Iran have been put to rest. It is now official. In a July 24 interview with Al Jazeera, senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk admitted in no uncertain terms that Iran has discontinued the military and civilian support it had extended to the Palestinian group for years. In addition to the staggering quantity of weapons smuggled into Gaza, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had provided counseling, briefings and training for members of Hamas’ military wing, thus setting the movement’s tone and modus operandi for a very long time. In other words, Hamas, which enjoyed a considerable infusion of weaponry and money, had been Iran’s proxy on Israel’s southern border.

Even when the movement’s pragmatic members thought that extra caution should be exercised in relations vis-à-vis Israel, the organization’s military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, acted as an independent body, whose interests overlapped those of its Iranian patron. The position adopted by Khaled Meshaal, head of Hamas' political bureau, opposing President Bashar al-Assad after the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, resulted in the split from Tehran. Yet, over the years, there were factions that maintained ties with the Iranian regime, hoping to somehow mend fences between the two sides. This is all now a thing of the past.

Ties with Iran and its military aid had not been instantly severed. A channel of communication remained open between the movement's senior member, Mahmoud al-Zahar, and Iran, or “our friend,” as he preferred. As a perk, Zahar received some assistance provided to him on a personal basis. Ismail Haniyeh, deputy chief of Hamas’ political bureau, was more careful. In February 2012, he paid a visit to Iran, to the displeasure of Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, the Qatari emir, who had briefly supported the movement.

The leaders of the military wing — Ahmed Jabari, who was killed by the Israel Defense Forces at the start of Operation Pillar of Defense in 2012, and Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades commander Muhammed al-Deif — also maintained ties with Iran, knowing that if they wanted to keep their military power and maintain their elevated standing within the movement, they had to fight to remain in Iran’s good graces. They knew full well that Tehran's assistance was irreplaceable. Several attempts were made last year to organize a reconciliation meeting between Meshaal and officials in Tehran, but they came to naught.

Meshaal had no choice but to make a fateful decision for his movement — rapprochement with Saudi Arabia. This could turn Hamas from a movement ruled and guided by its military wing, which has often resulted in confrontations with Israel, into a movement once again dominated by its political wing. This will not happen overnight, but the repercussions of having Hamas under Saudi aegis should not be taken lightly.

The Saudi money that will be transferred to the movement won't be allocated for armaments. Traditionally, Saudi support has always been offered as humanitarian aid for Arab countries in distress. The same holds true for the residents of Gaza. It is more than likely that in the constellation between Israel and Saudi Arabia in connection to the nuclear crisis with Iran, one of the ironclad rules that King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud presented to Meshaal was that the monarchy’s money would be used exclusively for Gaza's rehabilitation and alleviating the plight of its residents.

It would seem, therefore, that this new alliance might weaken Hamas' military wing, chipping away at its standing. The flow of cash to the movement from Saudi Arabia will likely not be channeled through Deif or anyone from the military wing, but to the movement’s civilian bodies. Abu Marzouk, who founded the movement’s political bureau, is considered a financial wiz and therefore a natural to become Hamas’ “finance minister.” The transfer of money to the military wing will be controlled and measured.

When it comes to relations with Israel, it stands to reason that the views of Hamas' new patron, the Saudi king, will prevail. The king prefers to abstain from unnecessary military adventures against Israel or challenges that might embarrass his country vis-à-vis the United States. Hamas has fallen into a honey trap and will have to conduct itself accordingly. Those wanting the movement to abandon terror have looked forward to exactly such a situation. If the Palestinian organization acts in keeping with the standards of conduct determined by the Saudis, it will be able to claw itself out of its financial straits, which otherwise could bring about its collapse. If it chooses to go down the wrong path, its financial lifeline will be cut off.

Yet it is too early to paint an idyllic picture of Hamas in the coming years, since it is a movement that has become a body in which everyone does as he pleases. In the past two years, the movement has established a new headquarters in Turkey, operated by Saleh al-Arouri. How will the “sheriff from Istanbul,” as he is known, behave? It is highly doubtful that he will toe the line with the political bureau. In the past year, Arouri has demonstrated that he operates independently, does not take orders from the movement and leads an uncompromising armed struggle against Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA).

Of course, there’s another important unknown: How will Hamas’ rapprochement with Saudi Arabia affect the PA and President Mahmoud Abbas? The tensions between Hamas and the PA in general and the Fatah movement in particular, which also enjoy Saudi support, has reached new heights in recent months. The exchange of accusations between the two sides as well as a wave of arrests of Hamas activists in the West Bank have brought the relationships between the two movements to the verge of explosion. Will Saudi Arabia have a placating effect on the two sides?

Throughout its existence, Hamas has faced dramatic decisions that changed both its character and conduct. It again finds itself at such a watershed. Teaming up with Saudi Arabia is apparently the only move that can save it from collapse given that all other avenues have been blocked. After nearly nine years of the crippling blockade against Gaza, three bloody wars with Israel and a population of 1.8 million in distress, Hamas has no choice but to draw certain conclusions from its past mistakes, learn its lessons and change its policy.


Eh bien voilà ! Lève la papate.

Et maintenant tu ranges tous tes jouets et tu obéis toujours à papa ou sinon tu seras privé définitivement de dessert, à vie.


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If it was up to me I swear by God I will do the extreme to erase the garbage of the earth populations of Jordan, Egypt and UAE. As long as they exist the Arab people will suffer.

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) also pledged to rebuild schools, mosques, hospitals and 1,300 damaged Gaza houses.

Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz donated $8 million of the more than $26.7 million raised in a national fundraising telethon for the “Relief of the Palestinian People in Gaza.”

Perhaps just a simple Thank you, would have been more appropriate?
 
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