Will Saudi Arabia save Hamas?

[Ahmed Jo]

Brother, if we look at all those topics in great detail you can find such differences in every single country, historical region, between cities, hell even villages in the Arab world. Even in the same family and between brothers you can find differences if you want to! The point here is that Palestinians and Jordanians (like most other Arab to Arab relations) have 1000 times more things that unite them than things that divide them.

Let me give you an example. In Makkah people hardly ate seafood traditionally. In Jeddah 85 km away they always ate a lot due to being a port city next to the tropical Red Sea. Meanwhile in Taif 100 km away from Makkah (a city located almost 2000 meters above sea level) people ate many more fruits and vegetables because the environment allowed this. The Hijazi Arabic dialects spoken in those ancient cities of Hijaz and regions and customs were also/are to this day slightly different.

Mecca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ta'if - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet there are many more things that unite them than divides them. Same thing with Palestinians and Jordanians and most other Arabs. It's sad that many of us cannot realize this.

But let's fight about which regime is better than the other and let's not forget the Sunni or Shia divide! We need a dose of that each evening and morning.

What I can tell you is this: it was never an issue of different accents or traditions but rather of widely different ideologies and world views. Those gaps are much smaller nowadays because Jordanian society is heavily influenced by Palestinians. But there are still Jordanians who put Jordan first and who don't have an obsession with defeating the Jews and throwing them to the sea or whatever it is that Palestinian dream about at the cost of their own country or their own people, not to mention their sense of humanity.

 

[Falcon29]

your beloved terrorists are trying for years and they could not take 1 cm of land our country is getting stronger every day the time for what you wish for in Egypt is long gone about your support to terror it is not a surprise after all you are a palstinian

Doesn't show up on forum for weeks, I make one post. So called 'egyptian' wakes up 4:00 AM to denounce Palestinians.

Secondly, idiot, they already control northern Sinai.

What I can tell you is this: it was never an issue of different accents or traditions but rather of widely different ideologies and world views. Those gaps are much smaller nowadays because Jordanian society is heavily influenced by Palestinians. But there are still Jordanians who put Jordan first and who don't have an obsession with defeating the Jews and throwing them to the sea or whatever it is that Palestinian dream about at the cost of their own country or their own people, not to mention their sense of humanity.

You must live in an imaginary world we aren't aware of. The people who have no sense of humanity are the Israeli's and Arab regimes. The only difference is Israeli's treat their own people in much better manner. When it comes to non-Jews its a whole different story. You are not aware of the crimes of the Arab regimes. You don't sound like someone who has deep connections to the Arab world.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

What I can tell you is this: it was never an issue of different accents or traditions but rather of widely different ideologies and world views. Those gaps are much smaller nowadays because Jordanian society is heavily influenced by Palestinians. But there are still Jordanians who put Jordan first and who don't have an obsession with defeating the Jews and throwing them to the sea or whatever it is that Palestinian dream about at the cost of their own country or their own people, not to mention their sense of humanity.

I was not talking about political views here or regimes. Those are a separate discussion. Besides we cannot generalize the political views of all Jordanians or Palestinians. My point was not saying that anyone is identical but that there are 1000 times more similarities than divides.

Also you two should really quite the hostilities and use your energy on the real enemies.

Maybe some dabke will help? A dance also traditionally used by people of Northern KSA (some areas of Northern KSA can be considered parts of historical Sham or extensions of it).

ههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههههه

You have no clue how many women in the GCC are dancing to such music in the "secret". Of course excluding the liberal GCC states such as Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE.

More traditional Arab dancing and less bitching.

 

[Falcon29]

@Ahmed Jo

No one cares about your country, open the borders allow the Palestinians to smuggle arms to defend their selves. Then it will be over in months, Palestinians will restore their land and develop the country. And then we will go nuclear immediately and point our missiles at Arab nations. If anybody in Jordan talks shit, Jordanians will cease to exist.

If it was up to me I swear by God I will do the extreme to erase the garbage of the earth populations of Jordan, Egypt and UAE. As long as they exist the Arab people will suffer.

Even God agrees with me. In Kitab al Fitan hadith God states that once you see Egypt destroyed then that will be time of the Great war and emergence of the Mahdi.

 

[Ahmed Jo]

@Ahmed Jo

No one cares about your country, open the borders allow the Palestinians to smuggle arms to defend their selves. Then it will be over in months, Palestinians will restore their land and develop the country. And then we will go nuclear immediately and point our missiles at Arab nations. If anybody in Jordan talks shit, Jordanians will cease to exist.

If it was up to me I swear by God I will do the extreme to erase the garbage of the earth populations of Jordan, Egypt and UAE. As long as they exist the Arab people will suffer.

Even God agrees with me. In Kitab al Fitan hadith God states that once you see Egypt destroyed then that will be time of the Great war and emergence of the Mahdi.

I got you a gift lol

Put it in your avatar so people know what kind of person you are.

 

[Falcon29]

I got you a gift lol View attachment 242345Put it in your avatar so people know what kind of person you are.

Anyone who opposes your regimes=MB. The brainwashing has worked. No I don't care about MB.

 

[Gasoline]

It turned out both of you are liars. And I was the one who was being honest the whole time.

ألا لعنة الله على الكاذبين

يا زنادييق

كفرهم هههههههههه
استغفر الله

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When talking about Hamas we're indeed in a complex problem. If the governments want to settle things with Hamas and to be hand by hand with Hamas, there are 4 parties (I won't mention them here,taking into account the feelings of some ppl here ) MUST agree on their views and that something is almost impossible. GCC problem with Hamas is limited on B.H. no more or less and settling things randomly without referring to Egypt's attitude toward B.H. would increase the gap instead of filling it !

 

[Falcon29]

كفرهم هههههههههه
استغفر الله

............

When talking about Hamas we're indeed in a complex problem. If the governments want to settle things with Hamas and to be hand by hand with Hamas, there are 4 parties (I won't mention them here,taking into account the feelings of some ppl here ) MUST agree on their views and that something is almost impossible. GCC problem with Hamas is limited on B.H. no more or less and settling things randomly without referring to Egypt's attitude toward B.H. would increase the gap instead of filling it !

What's B.H.?

 

[Gasoline]

What's B.H.?

Sorry, I'm lazy man.
I meant Muslims Brotherhood.

Usually, I don't put the word "Muslims" , I call them Brotherhood . ^L^

 

[Falcon29]

Sorry, I'm lazy man.
I meant Muslims Brotherhood.

Usually, I don't put the word "Muslims" , I call them Brotherhood . ^L^

Hamas won't leave MB ideology if that's they want. Our religious ideology should be our own business. We follow Sunni Islam.

 

[Frogman]

Secondly, idiot, they already control northern Sinai.

They haven't secured any territory in Northern Sinai. Although they do have strongholds on the outskirts of North Sinai's two major cities (excluding Alaraish) operations by security forces regained any ground they controlled from 2011-2013 (mostly small villages) and attempts by ABM/SP to take territory have been disastrous for them.

So no.

 

[Gasoline]

Hamas won't leave MB ideology if that's they want. Our religious ideology should be our own business. We follow Sunni Islam.

It's impossible to fully leave ,but they should be in the same line of the political visions of the Arab countries. If you know what I mean.... agendas that serve the foreign countries should be withdrawn from their heads.

 

[Falcon29]

It's impossible to fully leave ,but they should be in the same line of the political visions of the Arab countries. If you know what I mean.... agendas that serve the foreign countries should be withdrawn from their heads.

We don't have agenda, even if they did they are a tiny movement inside Palestine. Palestine is the agenda. Nothing else, as far as foreign agenda. Arab nations are closet to foreigners not Hamas.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Gasoline

The MB has many different fractions and movements within it's overall movement.

For instance Tariq Ramadan (who I really like and agree with on many fronts) is by some considered to belong to the MB.

Tariq Ramadan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I personally want to see a constitutional monarchy in the GCC where we the people elect our own Muslim leaders. Then the King can serve as de facto (not de jure) the head of state and be a figure that can unite people just like kings and queens are doing in Europe nowadays. They are still there but they have no formal political power anymore. Their role is mostly ceremonial.

You know that you can almost not speak about this in KSA and I believe that this is wrong. Today in our times the people must have a say in their affairs and not just 1 family and their close people.

Islamic democracy existed during the Rashidun Caliphate.

I am not calling for the overthrow of anyone or using any violence (God forbid) but I want political and social changes and you know just like me that most people want this too but they won't always say it loudly.

Love for fatherland and our people, the Arab world and fellow Arabs should not be conditioned (necessarily) by love for rulers.

For instance you might personally be skeptical towards Hamas but I have no doubt that you wish the best for the people of Gaza, our brothers and sisters in humanity, faith and race.

I obviously don't agree with everything that the MB thinks and do but it is UNDENIABLE that they are fellow Muslims and in a perfect world they should be integrated into the political process in the Arab world.

Too much politics is involved and if KSA try to normalize relations with certain MB factions in the Arab world we might piss off our brothers and sisters in neighboring Egypt whom we have a special historical relationship with, certain GCC countries (UAE mainly) and who knows probably also Jordan, another very close brotherly ally and neighbor.

So it's easier said than done. Sadly we are too divided.

@Falcon29

 

[SALMAN F]

Hamas is not trustable they are backstabbers they betrayed Palestine before anyone else

@Ahmed Jo

No one cares about your country, open the borders allow the Palestinians to smuggle arms to defend their selves. Then it will be over in months, Palestinians will restore their land and develop the country. And then we will go nuclear immediately and point our missiles at Arab nations. If anybody in Jordan talks shit, Jordanians will cease to exist.

If it was up to me I swear by God I will do the extreme to erase the garbage of the earth populations of Jordan, Egypt and UAE. As long as they exist the Arab people will suffer.

Even God agrees with me. In Kitab al Fitan hadith God states that once you see Egypt destroyed then that will be time of the Great war and emergence of the Mahdi.

and who are you so god agrees with(astaghfirullah) you are becoming zindeq you should ask god for tawbah