CHACHA"G"
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Hello All
My take on this is quite different for some of you guys ,
First I have a big time I really mean a Big problem with PAF defensive doctrine,, In 21st century when your enemy have latest 1000+ Birds you just cant say we have 500 max and we will be defensive force . For me its a losing of a war before even it Starts ..
Dear all,
The number difference and the quality Gap in-between PAF and IAF growing every day , every year and every decade , Now we have to decide Do We Want Our PAF as OUR PN as compare to INDIA ,
Sir, Number and Tech Gap surely put extra pressure on MAN IN UNIFORM , and on MACHINES and this also effect all type of Operational capabilities "OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE"...like protecting our air , attacking enemy in battle fields , or performing Deep Strike Missions you name it all of them will be effected
Why , Because we don't have means to do them .
We have to Not Only Increase Our force PAF (more Birds ) but we also have to have diversified fleet of Birds so the Tech or Gen GAPE can also be managed, The number gape should and never been allowed to increase 2:3 ratio (PAF2,,IAF3)..
For achieving that goal we have to be self sufficient, self reliance is the only way for US,(Why because you all just witnessed the great Drama of USA for only 8birds )
Few options for self reliance and having some Birds in Air
1. JF17 is Blessing for us , If we don't use it for good then its us who failed , For me Jf17 program is very slow we have to fast track it , block 3 is dew in 2018 and that's still wont make JF17 a medium level Bird(if you consider all aspects ) , Please work as fast as you can put more funds in it (its better to put more funds in our own bird , for just buying 8 F16) bring block 4 out in 2020 Minimum Gripen NG level or even more Better , A REAL MEDIUM 4++ SINGLE ENGINE BIRD.
2. J10 , Yes J10 is the second bird that we most have , Why because of its new level Tech and Its Delta Wing Designee,, There are roomers that J10D is out talk with china bring that Bird with TOT( no strings attach made in Pakistan ) Do some necessary Upgrades and we will have J10D(P) second new build 4++ Heavy Lag single engine bird.
These Two new Gen Birds will allow us to have Numbers with Extremely good and new Tech ,which we badly need to counter IAF numbers and also these 2 can replace all of our older birds , I mean ALL OF THEM.
3. J31 will be a very good medium 5th Gen Bird at Max but it will be a very good bird to replace our F16 in future , J31 wont coming at least 2025 , We have to put some money in this program Have these Birds as TOT or JV and when they ready some where around 2025 to 2030 replace all F16 with them (have 120 minimum ) as USA is doing with F35,
4. We need a heavy 4.5++ double engine bird and also a heavy 5th Gen Bird , For 4.5++ we can talk with china or some other country and have a JV or we have to use our own drawing boards ASAP keep one thing in mind we minimum need 120 of these birds along side all other.
For heavy 5th Gen we can cooperate with Turkey and have a JV with them in there TFX program.
Thank you all for reading all of this .
I hope you all forgive any mistake and give your thoughts on this with out any day dreaming of having every bird or only having J31 and JF17 and also put 5th Gen Stealth JF17 in that too.
PAF 2030
JF17 Advance Blocks(gripen ng or higher) 150(minimum)
J10D(P) with few Blocks 150(minimum)
JF21 Double engine 4.5++ 150(minimum)
J31 to replace F16 120(minimum)
J20 heavy Stealth (if china sale) 40
TFX Heavy Stealth (coming soon) ???
________________________________________________
Total 610
JF17 Block 3 150
____________________________________________________
Grand Total 760
My take on this is quite different for some of you guys ,
First I have a big time I really mean a Big problem with PAF defensive doctrine,, In 21st century when your enemy have latest 1000+ Birds you just cant say we have 500 max and we will be defensive force . For me its a losing of a war before even it Starts ..
Dear all,
The number difference and the quality Gap in-between PAF and IAF growing every day , every year and every decade , Now we have to decide Do We Want Our PAF as OUR PN as compare to INDIA ,
Sir, Number and Tech Gap surely put extra pressure on MAN IN UNIFORM , and on MACHINES and this also effect all type of Operational capabilities "OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE"...like protecting our air , attacking enemy in battle fields , or performing Deep Strike Missions you name it all of them will be effected
Why , Because we don't have means to do them .
We have to Not Only Increase Our force PAF (more Birds ) but we also have to have diversified fleet of Birds so the Tech or Gen GAPE can also be managed, The number gape should and never been allowed to increase 2:3 ratio (PAF2,,IAF3)..
For achieving that goal we have to be self sufficient, self reliance is the only way for US,(Why because you all just witnessed the great Drama of USA for only 8birds )
Few options for self reliance and having some Birds in Air
1. JF17 is Blessing for us , If we don't use it for good then its us who failed , For me Jf17 program is very slow we have to fast track it , block 3 is dew in 2018 and that's still wont make JF17 a medium level Bird(if you consider all aspects ) , Please work as fast as you can put more funds in it (its better to put more funds in our own bird , for just buying 8 F16) bring block 4 out in 2020 Minimum Gripen NG level or even more Better , A REAL MEDIUM 4++ SINGLE ENGINE BIRD.
2. J10 , Yes J10 is the second bird that we most have , Why because of its new level Tech and Its Delta Wing Designee,, There are roomers that J10D is out talk with china bring that Bird with TOT( no strings attach made in Pakistan ) Do some necessary Upgrades and we will have J10D(P) second new build 4++ Heavy Lag single engine bird.
These Two new Gen Birds will allow us to have Numbers with Extremely good and new Tech ,which we badly need to counter IAF numbers and also these 2 can replace all of our older birds , I mean ALL OF THEM.
3. J31 will be a very good medium 5th Gen Bird at Max but it will be a very good bird to replace our F16 in future , J31 wont coming at least 2025 , We have to put some money in this program Have these Birds as TOT or JV and when they ready some where around 2025 to 2030 replace all F16 with them (have 120 minimum ) as USA is doing with F35,
4. We need a heavy 4.5++ double engine bird and also a heavy 5th Gen Bird , For 4.5++ we can talk with china or some other country and have a JV or we have to use our own drawing boards ASAP keep one thing in mind we minimum need 120 of these birds along side all other.
For heavy 5th Gen we can cooperate with Turkey and have a JV with them in there TFX program.
Thank you all for reading all of this .
I hope you all forgive any mistake and give your thoughts on this with out any day dreaming of having every bird or only having J31 and JF17 and also put 5th Gen Stealth JF17 in that too.
PAF 2030
JF17 Advance Blocks(gripen ng or higher) 150(minimum)
J10D(P) with few Blocks 150(minimum)
JF21 Double engine 4.5++ 150(minimum)
J31 to replace F16 120(minimum)
J20 heavy Stealth (if china sale) 40
TFX Heavy Stealth (coming soon) ???
________________________________________________
Total 610
JF17 Block 3 150
____________________________________________________
Grand Total 760
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