Will India join strategic containment of China?

[perplexed]

China has boundaries with more than half population of this planet as market for offer and demand, sure with trade embargo, China will suffer from massive export disadvantage but it will have to auto regulated and readjusted the productions base on new reality, I believe with china internal population and trade with surrounding countries alone without saying Middle East, Africa and Latine america, China will be able to survive and fulfill self-sufficiency...than if this happens, the international trade system established by western countries will be redefined, all WTO and international law will overwritten.

I wish your theory would have made sense to CCP hawks.. atleast macau wouldn't have been under portugal till 1999

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Ya , its your pipe dream ,

Without the West-US there is isn't a market on this planet to absorb what china makes.

Guess most Chinese fail to understand , without US and west , you would have been just a communist country waiting to implode this is because communist feared market reforms as a creation of capitalistic west , its lack of this and appropriate economic principle which caused the collapse of USSR.

The one man , who saw this coming was Deng Xiaoping, off course he had to wait till Mao left for good to release most of his dream ,

The United states and West helped China rise and continued to do so , and is not afraid of China rising, and will look favorably until you starting attacking your neighbors like ( HongWU and Communist8 suggest ) , The west pumped trillions of dollars into china at the expense of their people , this initial framework was started by Henry Kissinger under Nixon .

There is lots of grumbling in the western society about allowing Chinese to get away with huge level of trade deficit/imbalance but most in the elite agree otherwise.

The rise of China is looked upon favorable by the west , unlike what you guys think, because there is this Idea that China will prospers along with its people one day play a very prudent part in world politics also create a huge market for US - West

Also , although for now China is termed as State-Capitalist , there will come a time when CCP will have to make way to Social Democracy , when Chinese people prosper and demand more.

Yes its not going to be a perfect marriage , there is going to be argument and rivalry . this is due to fact we after all are animals- monkeys ( humans ).

Are you talking about the past or present situation??? my previous comments is about current situation as if there is an economy embargo by U.S, Japan and E.U. I guess you're talking about 1970s.

I wish your theory would have made sense to CCP hawks.. atleast macau wouldn't have been under portugal till 1999

are you talking about how you got your independent in 1947? my theory still valide with that too

 

[Wombat]

Are you talking about the past or present situation??? my previous comments is about current situation as if there is an economy embargo by U.S, Japan and E.U. I guess you're talking about 1970s.
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Ok , I was pointing out general perception of West towards china, and prove to you China is not an overnight wonder and west has help it along the way , I made this remark due to statement of WTO ( western creation ).

WTO existed before China was in it and it will exist even if china decides to leave it.

As for your theory of china become self sufficient , plausible but it will take a while

Countries become self sufficient when the good they produce are consumed within , in general terms of goods are exported only when there is excess , market principle

China has a huge saving ratio , about 50% of its GDP ( this doesn't count the money you put under the bed i.e cash in hand) compare to India who save only 28%.

This is due to lack of safety net , political uncertainty, demography ( India more younger population so they spend more ) and high cost of living ( e.g education and higher house prices)

For china to become self sufficient saving ratio has to decrease ( i.e people spend more, domestic consumption rise ) , this will take a long painstaking efforts and even more unlikely to work , if there is a trade war/ embargo.

So between the both , India can sustain a external risk better, as its private domestic consumption is higher ration to GDP compare to china. its is also a service based ( High-skill industry compare to manufacturing industry)

Although China produces more, and GDP higher than India , its Achilles' heel , is it export industry, this was proven after GFC , when china GFC stimulus ( largest in history , i believe) more than 580 billion USD, of which about 20% has been written off as bad debt until now ,meanwhile India just re aligned couple of policy without spending much/if any money on stimulus

there is no such things as economic embargo , but there is economic sanction and trade war/embargo is a tool to achieve it.

Trade war will effect both side , but it will hurt china more than rest because if it ever happened it will China VS West ( more than 50% of worlds GDP ).

This is highley unlikely scenario unless China is ruled by the likes of HongWu or communist8

 

[JSCh]

Ya , its your pipe dream ,

Without the West-US there is isn't a market on this planet to absorb what china makes.

Guess most Chinese fail to understand , without US and west , you would have been just a communist country waiting to implode this is because communist feared market reforms as a creation of capitalistic west , its lack of this and appropriate economic principle which caused the collapse of USSR.

The one man , who saw this coming was Deng Xiaoping, off course he had to wait till Mao left for good to release most of his dream ,

The United states and West helped China rise and continued to do so , and is not afraid of China rising, and will look favorably until you starting attacking your neighbors like ( HongWU and Communist8 suggest ) , The west pumped trillions of dollars into china at the expense of their people , this initial framework was started by Henry Kissinger under Nixon .

There is lots of grumbling in the western society about allowing Chinese to get away with huge level of trade deficit/imbalance but most in the elite agree otherwise.

The rise of China is looked upon favorable by the west , unlike what you guys think, because there is this Idea that China will prospers along with its people one day play a very prudent part in world politics also create a huge market for US - West

Also , although for now China is termed as State-Capitalist , there will come a time when CCP will have to make way to Social Democracy , when Chinese people prosper and demand more.

Yes its not going to be a perfect marriage , there is going to be argument and rivalry . this is due to fact we after all are animals- monkeys ( humans ).

Wow, the missionary man come to China.
So all Chinese should be thankful to the noble and generous White man?

 

[Wombat]

Wow, the missionary man come to China.
So all Chinese should be thankful to the noble and generous White man?

White man don't anything for free . they spend money on china to make money for themselves also , hence my statement , both of them are in it for the money..

 

[perplexed]

are you talking about how you got your independent in 1947? my theory still valide with that too

No its about how a nuclear country can suck in claiming actual freedom. !!

 

[JSCh]

White man don't anything for free . they spend money on china to make money for themselves also , hence my statement , both of them are in it for the money..

Oh.......
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

 

[Sergi]

We just talk about hypothetical embargo and how China will survive. I didn't talk about China open/close economy.

I do read the previous posts. Meaning is same. Unless you have some different theory that Nations servive without economy.

 

[djsjs]

Given the fact China has assisted Pakistan in nuclear and delivery systems, India has little choice.

However overtly head butting with China makes little sense as peace is the final option for both nations. And this peace can be only won through a position of strength.

India should pretend to be part of the China containment alliance so that we can gain concessions from both sides and India develops.

india is not born to be enemy of pakistan, if you maintain good relationship with your neighbor pakistan, you don't have to make the choice any more.
india was a nation of peace loving and not aggressive in the thousands years history. why changed in the past 50 years?

 

[kurup]

india is not born to be enemy of pakistan, if you maintain good relationship with your neighbor pakistan, you don't have to make the choice any more.
india was a nation of peace loving and not aggressive in the thousands years history. why changed in the past 50 years?

We never changed . What changed was that we got two imperialist neighbours who started wars with us .

 

[perplexed]

india is not born to be enemy of pakistan, if you maintain good relationship with your neighbor pakistan, you don't have to make the choice any more.
india was a nation of peace loving and not aggressive in the thousands years history. why changed in the past 50 years?

stop talking about pakistan. Those people create their own version of history and teach their kids.. total blatant lies. !!

 

[djsjs]

We never changed . What changed was that we got two imperialist neighbours who started wars with us .

never changed? do your ancestors speak english, or do they take forward policy thousands years ago?ancient india never has a territory as big as now.

stop talking about pakistan. Those people create their own version of history and teach their kids.. total blatant lies. !!

who create your version of history and teach your kids?

 

[perplexed]

never changed? do your ancestors speak english, or do they take forward policy thousands years ago?ancient india never has a territory as big as now.

who create your version of history and teach your kids?

It's documented history.. !! ANyways, change your flag first !!

 

[kurup]

never changed? do your ancestors speak english, or do they take forward policy thousands years ago?ancient india never has a territory as big as now.

My reply was for this comment .

india was a nation of peace loving and not aggressive in the thousands years history. why changed in the past 50 years?

If you are talking about Indian territory , you should read about Mauryan empire. How big it was ??

As for forward policy , read about illegal construction of roads by Mao in the disputed territory which resulted in war.

 

[djsjs]

It's documented history.. !! ANyways, change your flag first !!

which flag do you want me to use?
if one say something fair to pakistani, then he should be pakistani !?

If you are talking about Indian territory , you should read about Mauryan empire. How big it was ??

As for forward policy , read about illegal construction of roads by Mao in the disputed territory which resulted in war.

good, south tibet is not part of Mauryan empire ,right?
and do you think anywhere you raise your flag,then it is your territory or disputed territory.even japs and nazi wasn't that fool.