Why?

[Yankee-stani]

@Yankee-stani Fun fact: 60% of Iranian university students are females. Iran now produces more scentific talent then many European countries. This alludes to massive human capital in the country that is castrated by mullah Iran as the country is sanctioned.

Iran regardless of governments always tends to shoot itself in the foot but I think change is blowing the Chinese just sighed a 25 year strategic agreement with Tehran and already they are unconfimed reports of Female Chinese travelers going unveiled in middle of Tehran could signal slight shift in Iranian domestic policies

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

That's the difference with the Turks and Iranians,in their strive to modernize the Turks had a war hero in form of Mustafa Kemal the Iranians had a "overglorified" monarch a US "Cold War" puppet Turkey until the 40s wa relatively independent it only became closer to the US because of the Soviet Union and the US needing to court both Greece and Turkey as bulwark against Moscow hence both getting NATO membership in 1952

If only MA Jinnah had 15-20 more years....I feel he was more atheist,agnostic, rational,westernized than even Nehru.....I firmly believe he could have provided a blueprint for ALL (not just Muslim) parochial South Asian societies regarding going forward

 

[Yankee-stani]

If only MA Jinnah had 15-20 more years....I feel he was more atheist,agnostic, rational,westernized than even Nehru.....I firmly believe he could have provided a blueprint for ALL (not just Muslim) parochial South Asian societies regarding going forward

No I think he was Muslim probably a "cultural one" at best not atheist or agnostic

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

Iran regardless of governments always tends to shoot itself in the foot but I think change is blowing the Chinese just sighed a 25 year strategic agreement with Tehran and already they are unconfimed reports of Female Chinese travelers going unveiled in middle of Tehran could signal slight shift in Iranian domestic policies

between China and US, US will win. Forget the world, china is unable to tell its own friends to accept 'china model'. Are you ready to dump elections, throw Imran Khan into the dustbin and launch a 'peoples dictatorship'? No.

 

[Yankee-stani]

the shah was degenerate. But capitalism is the only viable system for your people.

I mean has "capitalism" work in India that's the question you should ask

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

If only MA Jinnah had 15-20 more years....I feel he was more atheist,agnostic, rational,westernized than even Nehru.....I firmly believe he could have provided a blueprint for ALL (not just Muslim) parochial South Asian societies regarding going forward

if he was then he would not have used relegion as the platform for a new state.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

No I think he was Muslim probably a "cultural one" at best not atheist or agnostic

Cultural Islam could have given bettern direction than doctrinal Islam in giving both Islamic societies direction and setting up the blurprint regarding Muslim-Hindu relations

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

I mean has "capitalism" work in India that's the question you should ask

GDP in 1992 - about 250 billion. GDP in 2021 about 3 trillion....'nuff said.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

if he was then he would not have used relegion as the platform for a new state.

There is consensus in PDF that the Pakistan movement was really a North West freedom movement that got botched by the leaders in the end and got diluted into a Muslim movement

 

[Viva_Viet]

Unfortunately my friend the brutal truth and you East Asians know this but avoid saying because you don't want to disrespect. In Pakistan we have religion. That kills posssibility of doing what you guys do. I say this because I am not bothered what PDF people think of me. I will just say what I think. In private discussions with Chinese once they open up they also will point at the toxic culture of religion in Pakistan that has killed any chance of progress.

You said about how East Asians aspire to make phones, cars, computers etc. In Pakistan the culture is instead to look religious. Note I said look. Meaning little effort is made to improve yourself. It;s all about looking religious and then judging others. Then even forcing others. You see in last 3 days Pakistan has been burning. What about? Religion. Because what some French people said in Paris. Nothing to do with Pakistan.

In Pakistan it's all about fake religion, fake respect. It's not like religion in Pakistan has created a kind society. Rape, murder, abuse, corruption and other crimes are as common as rest of the world.

The truth is was it not for East Asians most of Pakistan could very well slide back to middle ages. There would be no cheap phones, cars etc. Without those products Pakistan would slide back to stone age. Unless it began to beg the whites for imports but most Western products are expensive.

Respect, religion is big. The hypocracy is it is a lazy, corrupt culture which lives on begging money from western institutions like IMF, running abroad as illegal migrants to the very white countries they compliain about. Many of the most virulent anti-western PDF'er will be from this group who live in the west.

Then after having begged the loans or got remittances from abroad the word "respect" comes out.

*sigh*.

Ps. I am jealous of East Asian culture that is so humble, hard working, realistic, strong when required as your wars have proven. You know how to fight, how to work and how to make peace. And most important you learn and even adopt ideas from your enemies.

Sigh, its it's really sad to hear that. Its time for you to question your countrymen "how could you survive if you can't make good products to export for money ?"

U need money to buy food, money to buy phones, laptops, cars, ships etc while East Asia nations who make/manufacture those stuff like VN, CN never sell them for Free.

Btw , its too hard to make any help to u guys now if u guys still get angry easily and start burning Because some French people said something Paris that even have Nothing to do with Pakistan.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

There is consensus in PDF that the Pakistan movement was really a North West freedom movement that got botched by the leaders in the end and got diluted into a Muslim movement

yes but if you are a rationalist and an atheist you will never use relegion as a factor. Have you ever heard Nehru use relegion any in place? He genuinely believed it was mumbo-jumbo and India was better off without it.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

yes but if you are a rationalist and an atheist you will never use relegion as a factor. Have you ever heard Nehru use relegion any in place? He genuinely believed it was mumbo-jumbo and India was better off without it.

I think you are right-----mis-observation on my part..thanks for correcting me....Nehru was anti-superstition,atheist, anti-witchcraft,anti-voodoo, anti-witchdoctory and midly pro-Buddhist..He liked the skeptical streak running within Buddhism...He had an agenda to project India as the birthplace of Buddhism rather than the country of Hinduism...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Btw , its too hard to make any help to u guys now if u guys still get angry easily and start burning Because some French people said something Paris that even have Nothing to do with Pakistan.

Well, that is sadly very true. Nobody can doubt and we all know China and Pakistan are very close to each other. Both have a strategic geo-political pact that goes back decades. In fact the term "iron brothers" is used to convey this.

But think about this? Why has Chinese industry not invested in Pakistan? Why is Islamabad not rolling with Chinese tourists? More Chinese tourists go to their enemy in New Delhi. Chinese investors choose Vietnam, Philipnines, Singapore, Bangladesh but avoid their 'ironclad brother'.

Why? Pakistan should be top destination for Chinese investors and Chinese tourists given how close Pak and Chinese governments are. The Chinese states CPEC project pushed by the Chinese state is struggling. Yet Chinese investors pour money into Bangla, Vietnam, Indonesia, Africa.

Reason? Despite being 'iron brothers' when they come close up they say the culture of religous craziness and that puts them off.

 

[KedarT]

Well, that is sadly very true. Nobody can doubt and we all know China and Pakistan are very close to each other. Both have a strategic geo-political pact that goes back decades. In fact the term "iron brothers" is used to convey this.

But think about this? Why has Chinese industry not invested in Pakistan? Why is Islamabad not rolling with Chinese tourists? More Chinese tourists go to their enemy in New Delhi. Chinese investors choose Vietnam, Philipnines, Singapore, Bangladesh but avoid their 'ironclad brother'.

Why? Pakistan should be top destination for Chinese investors and Chinese tourists given how close Pak and Chinese governments are. The Chinese states CPEC project pushed by the Chinese state is struggling. Yet Chinese investors pour money into Bangla, Vietnam, Indonesia, Africa.

Reason? Despite being 'iron brothers' when they come close up they say the culture of religous craziness and that puts them off.

When Pakistan becomes a secular, democratic country with scientific temper, that's when India will implode.
Looking at the fanaticism at display in the current protests in Pakistan, I don't see it happening in the near future.

A secular, scientific, democratic country is more threatening as our establishment won't have anyone to push the blame on or compare with for their failures which would mean people getting disillusioned with the idea of India. This might result in states within demanding more and more autonomy to eventually carve out separate countries that will break the Union of India.

The current state of Pakistan is playing right into India's hands.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

When Pakistan becomes a secular, democratic country with scientific temper, that's when India will implode.
Looking at the fanaticism at display in the current protests in Pakistan, I don't see it happening in the near future.

A secular progressive booming Pakistan is enough to make the progressive parts of India to break off into seperate nations or city states