Why West fears theft of our nuclear assets

[Windjammer]

Every time Indo-Pak tensions rise, its always Pakistan who talk of 'conflict going nuclear'.

I think you have answered your own query in one sentence.

Once a conflict starts, can you predict where or how will it end..?

Threating to use nukes and advocating concern on a conflict getting out of hands and going nuclear are two different arguments.
Suffice to mention that the world openly sounds alarm bells as Kashmir being a nuclear flash point, one wonders to which end the finger is pointing.

 

[jagjitnatt]

I think you have answered your own query in one sentence.

Once a conflict starts, can you predict where or how will it end..?

Threating to use nukes and advocating concern on a conflict getting out of hands and going nuclear are two different arguments.
Suffice to mention that the world openly sounds alarm bells as Kashmir being a nuclear flash point, one wonders to which end the finger is pointing.

Oh come on. You very well understand and know what su-47 meant and you know his concern is VALID.

Have you ever heard an Indian saying we will nuke Pakistan? While I have seen hundreds of posts by Pakistani members threatening to nuke every Indian city there is.

Pakistan is so proud of nukes that it feels its their greatest achievement ever. India has said over and over again that it will not be the first one to use a nuke bomb, while Pakistan is aggressive about nuke attack.

Trust me, India, US, Russia, China, Israel are not gonna be the first ones to use nuke. They are mature and understand the responsibility that comes with that power. Its either gonna be Iran or Pakistan, and you know it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well I dont blame them. Your most respected national hero scientist turned out to be an illegal nuclear smuggler. Who knows how many others are involved? What if he would have sold them to Osama and his crazy gand?

Lets not forget that AQ Khan's network involved Western nations and individuals as sources for components and technology as well, so if one is to accuse Pakistan and its controls (at the time) and citizens for allowing this network to exist, what about the nations and citizens in the West that were used as suppliers?

Double standards galore.

 

[pak-yes]

The Only Country which Considers the use of Nukes as a policy matter is Israel.

And Since the 90s when Indo-Israeli Relations warmed those Zionists have been teaching the same thing to Indians.

I Know that it might seem impossible but India should limit it's contacts with Israel to the level of before 90s.

I am not saying this due to Advanced Weapons India gets but due the Brainwashing Israel has been Doing to Indians.Believe me those Israeli's will lead to the ultimate demise of South Asia.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Have you ever heard an Indian saying we will nuke Pakistan?

Mostly I have heard Indians talk about militarily invading (riding on the back of the US) Pakistan and breaking it apart ...

 

[su-47]

I think you have answered your own query in one sentence.

Once a conflict starts, can you predict where or how will it end..?

Threating to use nukes and advocating concern on a conflict getting out of hands and going nuclear are two different arguments.
Suffice to mention that the world openly sounds alarm bells as Kashmir being a nuclear flash point, one wonders to which end the finger is pointing.

Yes Windjammer there is a difference between advocating concern on a conflict getting out of hands and going nuclear. But if you look at Indo-Pak scenario the word 'nuclear' usually comes up because of Pak threatening to use nukes, either directly, or indirectly (statements like, 'we will use any weapon in our arsenal').

As I said before, take a look at Sino-Indian scenario. Even during height of tensions, it has never threatened to go nuclear. You don't see Indians making statements like, "We might cease to exist, but we can also really hurt China."

Also, look at the period between 1974 and when Pak got nukes ( I don't know when exactly Pak had a working nuke, but it definitely wasn't in the 70s). And i'm sure (and you would probably agree with me here) that had India nuked pak at that stage, Pak would have suffered WAAAAYYYYYY more damage than it could have inflicted on India. Pak wouldn't have been even able to retaliate at a strategic level. Yet India never threatened Pak with nukes, even when tensions rose.

That shows level of restraint most countries have when it comes to nukes. And that is the level of restraint expected from a responsible nuclear power.

PS: check out this thread if you want an example of 'nuke ranting'
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/50535-pakistan-ready-water-war-2.html#post730050

 

[Indiarox]

Oh come on. You very well understand and know what su-47 meant and you know his concern is VALID.

Have you ever heard an Indian saying we will nuke Pakistan? While I have seen hundreds of posts by Pakistani members threatening to nuke every Indian city there is.

Pakistan is so proud of nukes that it feels its their greatest achievement ever. India has said over and over again that it will not be the first one to use a nuke bomb, while Pakistan is aggressive about nuke attack.

Trust me, India, US, Russia, China, Israel are not gonna be the first ones to use nuke. They are mature and understand the responsibility that comes with that power. Its either gonna be Iran or Pakistan, and you know it.

What you said is not completely true since Israel is a country with a small land mass is is very likely that it will use its nukes a first strike against the Arabs so you can add Israel to the list involving Iran and Pakistan.

 

[su-47]

What you said is not completely true since Israel is a country with a small land mass is is very likely that it will use its nukes a first strike against the Arabs so you can add Israel to the list involving Iran and Pakistan.

True. But you still don't see Israelis going on about nuclear war. Even when war is discussed they talk of using their air force and army. They havent threatened nuclear war in the post cold-war period.

 

[Windjammer]

Yes Windjammer there is a difference between advocating concern on a conflict getting out of hands and going nuclear. But if you look at Indo-Pak scenario the word 'nuclear' usually comes up because of Pak threatening to use nukes, either directly, or indirectly (statements like, 'we will use any weapon in our arsenal').

As I said before, take a look at Sino-Indian scenario. Even during height of tensions, it has never threatened to go nuclear. You don't see Indians making statements like, "We might cease to exist, but we can also really hurt China."

Also, look at the period between 1974 and when Pak got nukes ( I don't know when exactly Pak had a working nuke, but it definitely wasn't in the 70s). And i'm sure (and you would probably agree with me here) that had India nuked pak at that stage, Pak would have suffered WAAAAYYYYYY more damage than it could have inflicted on India. Pak wouldn't have been even able to retaliate at a strategic level. Yet India never threatened Pak with nukes, even when tensions rose.

That shows level of restraint most countries have when it comes to nukes. And that is the level of restraint expected from a responsible nuclear power.

Apparently India first tested it's nuclear device back in 1974 under the guise of technology do da, and although Pakistan's attained it's capability in 1986, it wasn't until 1998, the Ginny gate crashed after India initiated the Pokhran tests. Even then Pakistan awaited a fortnight to it's detriment as the tone and threats from Delhi were as loud as the explosions. My dear that was just a decade earlier and you should be able to trace the dire consequences bestowed upon us after the Pokhran mushrooms. However as soon as the Chaghi mountain turned white, both the mood and the tone dropped.
Another equation to this angle is often ignored by the fact, that you often hear the term Islamic bomb but no such banter for Jewish, Christian or the Hindu weapons.

 

[manglasiva]

the alQuaida~ ISI nexus or sympathisers in military is the sole reason why the west fears of nuc tech or hardware falling into terrorist hands...a few kilo's of nuclear material is enough to play havoc in a large city..u don't need any trigger mechanism or missiles to contaminate water resources this is more dangerous than a nuc BOMB...thats why the US has installed equipment to sense radiation in all airports in US..even in Pakistan, I've reads abt such equipment getting installed with US made equipments to prevent smuggling nuc materials out..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^ There is no Al Qaeda-ISI nexus except in the fevered imaginations of Pakistan bashers.

 

[manglasiva]

^^ There is no Al Qaeda-ISI nexus except in the fevered imaginations of Pakistan bashers.

then how come u explain abt daily bomb explosions in highly secure locations in ur country...even a bomb exploded in ur ISI backyard...is that ur intell so ineffective or some inside help to create such havoc with ease ?

 

[pak-yes]

Yar please for a moment set aside your blind Hate against Pakistan.

There hasn't been even a single of any kind of Nuclear Incidence of Pakistan.Unlike Many Indian and Very Very Many American Nuclear Incidents just Google it.

As far as Terrorist Attacking ISI.Oh Come on those are only show off building Do you really think that an agency like ISI would be doing real work in these Buildings.

So as Indians say when accused of involving in terrorism.Produce Evidence.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

then how come u explain abt daily bomb explosions in highly secure locations in ur country...even a bomb exploded in ur ISI backyard...is that ur intell so ineffective or some inside help to create such havoc with ease ?

How do you explain the ISI supporting the massacres of the families - men, women and children - of ISI/PA officers and soldiers?

This conspiracy theory is as bad as '911 was an inside job'. As far as where the terrorists could be getting intel and training, I think Pakistani members have often and clearly pointed to the role of Indian intelligence agencies in that respect.

 

[manglasiva]

I THINK PAKISTAN DID A BLUNDER TO FOLLOW INDIA in conducting the nuclear test..they should've tested the bomb..made a big hue & cry internationally..and projected to be a victim..the west will give more aid ..what did they achieve by explosions ? international sanctions and aid cutt off no F16's etc..and they suffered more w r t INDIA..this nuclear BS is costing a huge drain on the economy..think that in future u'll eat grass to sit on the White elephant..and boasting..while India surges ahead...