Why was Turkey the first Islamic country to recognize the state of Israel?

[mike2000 is back]

LOL Seems there's a heated debate going on here. Looks like many Pakistanis are not a fan of Atatürk and the way he shaped modern Turkey. Quite Interesting.

 

[xenon54 out]

LoL Chill out ,I don't care about this ,Its just my opinion ,History makes Ataturk controversial that is the reason why you have 18 Pages on this thread and mind you ,My German friend from turkey is Secular ,His father is a big attaturk fan to the point he breaks TV when erdogan makes a speech.
Pakistanis won't be confused by your erroneous post on our Quaid ,He advocated Secularism for our Minorities ONLY and not to abandon their culture and religion..

Who cares if Atatürk is controversial to foreigners, the number of people who admire him is tenfold of those who dont like him anyways.
Most important is that the Turkish nation accepts him as their savior and visionary leader.

You dont believe me? Look, someone attacked Atatürk statue in Sakarya, a city where AKP got 67% in the last elections, see the result with your own eyes, police barely saved the attacker from the mob.

 

[Deliorman]

LOL Seems there's a heated debate going on here. Looks like many Pakistanis are not a fan of Atatürk and the way he shaped modern Turkey. Quite Interesting.

I don’t think we can judge whole Pakistan and every Pakistani person from the things a bunch of confused people (mostly Wahabi Islamists) around here write or think. Pakistan and it’s people have been a friend of Turkey and the Turks during the Ottoman times but also when the Republic was created. No matter who is ruling Turkey the Pakistani people and their politicians have always shown respect to us. No matter who rules Pakistan their politicians always pay respect to Ataturk when visiting Ankara even though they are an Islamic Republic. What a bunch of losers on a forum think doesn’t really matter.

 

[xenon54 out]

I don’t think we can judge whole Pakistan and every Pakistani person from the things a bunch of confused people (mostly Wahabi Islamists) around here write or think. Pakistan and it’s people have been a friend of Turkey and the Turks during the Ottoman times but also when the Republic was created. No matter who is ruling Turkey the Pakistani people and their politicians have always shown respect to us. No matter who rules Pakistan their politicians always pay respect to Ataturk when visiting Ankara even though they are an Islamic Republic. What a bunch of losers on a forum think doesn’t really matter.

Everybody in Turkey whether secular or conservative sees Pakistan brotherly because the reason is not religion, its something that the wahhabis wont ever understand.

 

[Pakistani E]

@xenon54 @KediKesenFare
And other Turkish friends, I don't like posting much on this forum these days but someone mentioned this thread to me and the retarded replies by so called Islamists hypocrites who were barking against Ataturk the magnificent. Those people are confused and ridden with massive inferior complex, like my respected ustad @Kaptaan mentioned. Ataturk, is a leader in a long list of great leaders that the Turkic people have been blessed with. They do not understand nor study the political and social reality of that time and why those decisions had to be made. They are also so lost in their own fairy tales that they refuse to acknowledge the dangers that are plaguing Pakistan and exactly what Ataturk saved Turkey from. Give it time, few more years of kicking by their beloved Ummah will wake up the rest of them as well.

In my opinion, he was one of the greatest statesman of this century, wish Jinnah had lived longer so the leftovers of the Ahraris and Jamatis in Pakistan were not able to influence our younger generation after 1947, the consuquences of which you see on this forum.

My sincere apologies that you friends had to listen to the garbage sprouted by confused folks who are still holding on to the dreams and histories of others and refuse to accept who they are and where their destiny lies.

Turkey's decision on recognizing is their own and one that I respect. Israel is a political reality and grown men do not throw a hissy fit and say I won't talk to you if they have problems.

@Confused Ahrari/Jamati leftovers, please don't reply to me. I don't give a shizzle what you think.

 

[terry5]

Ataturk was a Muslim ?
never knew this ??

We do not need take the principles for our party from a book that supposingly was revealed from the heaven. [Ataturk, Soylev ve Demecleri (Istanbul 1945) 389]

The great Ottoman scholar Shaykh al-Islam Mustafa Sabri called him kaafir and a British puppet. [Mustafa Sabri Efendi, Hilafetin ilgasinin arka plani (Istanbul)]


Think he was a Jew or aethiest from what I read on him years ago .

 

[MultaniGuy]

@xenon54 @KediKesenFare
And other Turkish friends, I don't like posting much on this forum these days but someone mentioned this thread to me and the retarded replies by so called Islamists hypocrites who were barking against Ataturk the magnificent. Those people are confused and ridden with massive inferior complex, like my respected ustad @Kaptaan mentioned. Ataturk, is a leader in a long list of great leaders that the Turkic people have been blessed with. They do not understand nor study the political and social reality of that time and why those decisions had to be made. They are also so lost in their own fairy tales that they refuse to acknowledge the dangers that are plaguing Pakistan and exactly what Ataturk saved Turkey from. Give it time, few more years of kicking by their beloved Ummah will wake up the rest of them as well.

In my opinion, he was one of the greatest statesman of this century, wish Jinnah had lived longer so the leftovers of the Ahraris and Jamatis in Pakistan were not able to influence our younger generation after 1947, the consuquences of which you see on this forum.

My sincere apologies that you friends had to listen to the garbage sprouted by confused folks who are still holding on to the dreams and histories of others and refuse to accept who they are and where their destiny lies.

Turkey's decision on recognizing is their own and one that I respect. Israel is a political reality and grown men do not throw a hissy fit and say I won't talk to you if they have problems.

@Confused Ahrari/Jamati leftovers, please don't reply to me. I don't give a shizzle what you think.

Sure go talk about Islam with that alcoholic ataturk who died of cirrhosis of the liver!

Nor do I have time for your crap either.

You too are a hypocrite for living in the UK.

Ataturk was a Muslim ?
never knew this ??

We do not need take the principles for our party from a book that supposingly was revealed from the heaven. [Ataturk, Soylev ve Demecleri (Istanbul 1945) 389]

The great Ottoman scholar Shaykh al-Islam Mustafa Sabri called him kaafir and a British puppet. [Mustafa Sabri Efendi, Hilafetin ilgasinin arka plani (Istanbul)]


Think he was a Jew or aethiest from what I read on him years ago .

You are correct.

Most of ataturk's contemporaries said ataturk was not a muslim.

Whatever ataturk's personal beliefs were I do not know.

Probably ataturk was an atheist.

However ataturk was a brilliant military commander during WW1.
ataturk did save Turkey from the allies. I will give him that.

@xenon54 @KediKesenFare
And other Turkish friends, I don't like posting much on this forum these days but someone mentioned this thread to me and the retarded replies by so called Islamists hypocrites who were barking against Ataturk the magnificent. Those people are confused and ridden with massive inferior complex, like my respected ustad @Kaptaan mentioned. Ataturk, is a leader in a long list of great leaders that the Turkic people have been blessed with. They do not understand nor study the political and social reality of that time and why those decisions had to be made. They are also so lost in their own fairy tales that they refuse to acknowledge the dangers that are plaguing Pakistan and exactly what Ataturk saved Turkey from. Give it time, few more years of kicking by their beloved Ummah will wake up the rest of them as well.

In my opinion, he was one of the greatest statesman of this century, wish Jinnah had lived longer so the leftovers of the Ahraris and Jamatis in Pakistan were not able to influence our younger generation after 1947, the consuquences of which you see on this forum.

My sincere apologies that you friends had to listen to the garbage sprouted by confused folks who are still holding on to the dreams and histories of others and refuse to accept who they are and where their destiny lies.

Turkey's decision on recognizing is their own and one that I respect. Israel is a political reality and grown men do not throw a hissy fit and say I won't talk to you if they have problems.

@Confused Ahrari/Jamati leftovers, please don't reply to me. I don't give a shizzle what you think.

Your beloved @Kaptaan calls himself "Secular"

What are his true beliefs?

 

[Pakistani E]

Sure go talk about Islam with that alcoholic ataturk who died of cirrhosis of the liver!

Nor do I have time for your crap either.

You too are a hypocrite for living in the UK.

His lifestyle choices are his, and he is answerable for it himself. I respect him for what he did for his nation, if you had bothered to pick up a history book instead of wasting your time ranting here, you would have understood the character of this gentleman. Some say Jinnah also drank at one point in his life, will you also curse him?

I am living in the U.K but I don't call for some misplaced ideology driven utopia that never really existed. I am not a hypocrite because I firmly believe that the system of governance in the U.K is the best form of governance that there could be, in terms of parliamentary democracy with significantly liberal laws. You can't say the same can you? You want to take the best that this liberal and secular form of governance offers, but you want to not only deny it to your own countrymen, you also have the bloody gall to live here and enjoy the fruits of it while spitting venom at it.

That IS hypocrisy.

 

[xenon54 out]

Ataturk was a Muslim ?
never knew this ??

We do not need take the principles for our party from a book that supposingly was revealed from the heaven. [Ataturk, Soylev ve Demecleri (Istanbul 1945) 389]

The great Ottoman scholar Shaykh al-Islam Mustafa Sabri called him kaafir and a British puppet. [Mustafa Sabri Efendi, Hilafetin ilgasinin arka plani (Istanbul)]


Think he was a Jew or aethiest from what I read on him years ago .

I know who was a british puppet, not someone who fought them but those who fought alongside them, if you know what i mean...

 

[Pakistani E]

Your beloved @Kaptaan calls himself "Secular"

What are his true beliefs?

There are many points I agree with him and many I don't. But he speaks forcefully and very eloquently and it is impossible to dispute the points he make because they are almost always on the mark.

 

[xenon54 out]

Sure go talk about Islam with that alcoholic ataturk who died of cirrhosis of the liver!

This alcoholic archived way more than your whole clan will ever be able to, how sad is that?

 

[The Sandman]

In my opinion, he was one of the greatest statesman of this century, wish Jinnah had lived longer so the leftovers of the Ahraris and Jamatis in Pakistan were not able to influence our younger generation after 1947, the consuquences of which you see on this forum.

Said the same exact things a few days ago man we are really unlucky to lose Jinnah so early Turks bro's are lucky btw i don't understand this why mods are allowing the members here to spew so much venom on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk? we shouldn't forget that he's a hero for Turkish people and other than that he was a great leader a visionary person for god sakes have some respect!

 

[Pakistani E]

Said the same exact things a few days ago man we are really unlucky to lose Jinnah so early Turks bro's are lucky btw i don't understand this why mods are allowing the members here to spew so much venom on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk? we shouldn't forget that he's a hero for Turkish people and other than that he was a great leader a visionary person for god sakes have some respect!

I agree, respect for Ataturk should be in the same level as that for Jinnah on this forum. At least, I myself have always given him the same level of respect. If we just read the situation faced by the Turks at that time, and how he rescued his nation from the jaws of defeat and slavery, we will have no choice but to give him due credit.

Plus, he's the founder of the Turkish republic, for this reason alone, we should hold him in high regard. Can you imagine what Pakistanis on this forum would think if some Turkish members started insulting Jinnah?

 

[The Sandman]

respect for Ataturk should be in the same level as that for Jinnah on this forum. At least, I myself have always given him the same level of respect.

Same here bro!

Can you imagine what Pakistanis on this forum would think if some Turkish members started insulting Jinnah?

They will obv resort to abuses which is kind of normal tbh man they should know you've to give respect to earn it.

 

[Pakistani E]

Same here bro!

They will obv resort to abuses which is kind of normal tbh man they should know you've to give respect to earn it.

They are retards, just because you have particular sympathies for one, doesn't mean the other should be disrespected. I mean, I am a huge fan of the Sultunate Osmania, but I will never ever dare to insult Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Some people have trouble dissecting emotional feelings from historical realities.