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Why Trump Has All The Leverage In China Trade Negotiations, In 3 Charts

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Why Trump Has All The Leverage In China Trade Negotiations, In 3 Charts

Those curious who is more impacted by the sudden re-escalation in trade hostilities between the US and China can get a quick answer by looking at the market reaction to Sunday's unexpected news: while the S&P is down barely 1%, overnight Chinese stocks plunged nearly 6%, their biggest drop in over three years, indicating just how much more sensitive to every twist and turn in trade relations Chinese stocks are.

Of course, one can counter just how smaller - and far less relevant - the Chinese stock market is in comparison to the S&P500, which is also the basis for the vast majority of household net worth for Americans, and global investors (whereas in China, it is the local housing that is far more critical and accounts for roughly 70% of household net worth).

But it's not just the stock market that shows why China should tread very lightly (@Two @beijingwalker @TaiShang @ZeEa5KPul @Feng Leng @Char) in its ongoing negotiations with Trump, or why the US president has decided suddenly to re-escalate.

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Below we lay out charts showing just why the US indeed continues to have the upper hand in negotiations with China, starting with the relative importance of the US and European economies to China rather than vice versa.


As the first chart below from Deutsche Bank shows, the US and Europe are "much more important for China than China is for US and Europe" as China remains the nation with the highest beta, or the highest relative impact, from a 1% move in either direction for either the US or the Euro area.

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Second, whereas the US is now actively contemplating the launch of MMT, and exploding the US twin deficit by issuing virtually unlimited amounts of debt - which it ostensibly can do as long as the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency - China is already near its leverage peak. In fact, as shown in the chart below, both China's willingness and ability to lever up is now quite limited according to Deutsche Bank's Torsten Slok.

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Last, and certainly not least, is what we said back in January represented a "tectonic shift" in China's economy, when we observed that this year, for the first time in history, China's current account deficit will turn negative meaning that China will henceforth need financing from the rest of the world, and specifically the US. Which is why, as we said five months ago, it is not Beijing that has leverage over the US, but rather the US whose ability - and desire - to allocate capital to China could mean all the difference for China's economic growth, or lack thereof.

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Finally, and tangentially, assuming trade talks collapse and Trump follows through on his threat of hiking taxes on Chinese imports, it would, as Torsten Slok shows in his latest chart, push US tariffs - which are already higher than most advanced economies - higher than many emerging market countries making the US one of the leading protectionist countries in the work.

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That alone would cripple China's economy, and is perhaps the main reason why Trump decided to once again flex his muscles, if so far only on twitter.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-06/why-trump-has-all-leverage-china-trade-talks-3-charts

@F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @gambit
 
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Why Trump Has All The Leverage In China Trade Negotiations, In 3 Charts

Those curious who is more impacted by the sudden re-escalation in trade hostilities between the US and China can get a quick answer by looking at the market reaction to Sunday's unexpected news: while the S&P is down barely 1%, overnight Chinese stocks plunged nearly 6%, their biggest drop in over three years, indicating just how much more sensitive to every twist and turn in trade relations Chinese stocks are.

Of course, one can counter just how smaller - and far less relevant - the Chinese stock market is in comparison to the S&P500, which is also the basis for the vast majority of household net worth for Americans, and global investors (whereas in China, it is the local housing that is far more critical and accounts for roughly 70% of household net worth).

But it's not just the stock market that shows why China should tread very lightly (@Two @beijingwalker @TaiShang @ZeEa5KPul @Feng Leng @Char) in its ongoing negotiations with Trump, or why the US president has decided suddenly to re-escalate.

giphy.gif


Below we lay out charts showing just why the US indeed continues to have the upper hand in negotiations with China, starting with the relative importance of the US and European economies to China rather than vice versa.


As the first chart below from Deutsche Bank shows, the US and Europe are "much more important for China than China is for US and Europe" as China remains the nation with the highest beta, or the highest relative impact, from a 1% move in either direction for either the US or the Euro area.

US%20China%20relative%20importance.jpg


Second, whereas the US is now actively contemplating the launch of MMT, and exploding the US twin deficit by issuing virtually unlimited amounts of debt - which it ostensibly can do as long as the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency - China is already near its leverage peak. In fact, as shown in the chart below, both China's willingness and ability to lever up is now quite limited according to Deutsche Bank's Torsten Slok.

China%20willingness%20and%20ability.jpg


Last, and certainly not least, is what we said back in January represented a "tectonic shift" in China's economy, when we observed that this year, for the first time in history, China's current account deficit will turn negative meaning that China will henceforth need financing from the rest of the world, and specifically the US. Which is why, as we said five months ago, it is not Beijing that has leverage over the US, but rather the US whose ability - and desire - to allocate capital to China could mean all the difference for China's economic growth, or lack thereof.

China%20current%20account%20deficit.jpg


Finally, and tangentially, assuming trade talks collapse and Trump follows through on his threat of hiking taxes on Chinese imports, it would, as Torsten Slok shows in his latest chart, push US tariffs - which are already higher than most advanced economies - higher than many emerging market countries making the US one of the leading protectionist countries in the work.

US%20tariff%20levels.jpg


That alone would cripple China's economy, and is perhaps the main reason why Trump decided to once again flex his muscles, if so far only on twitter.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-06/why-trump-has-all-leverage-china-trade-talks-3-charts

@F-22Raptor @Hamartia Antidote @gambit
@Get Ya Wig Split Poor Indians. They don't even know that Trump is completely controlling Indian trade.
 
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@Get Ya Wig Split Poor Indians. They don't even know that Trump is completely controlling Indian trade.

I ain't from India idk why u keep saying that u sound like an idiot. Stick to the topic. You went off track and just made a fool of yourself.

BTW you will be banned again soon. That comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Don’t get mad when you can’t handle information contrary to your deeply held beliefs.
 
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I ain't from India idk why u keep saying that u sound like an idiot. Stick to the topic. You went off track and just made a fool of yourself.

BTW you will be banned again soon. That comment has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Don’t get mad when you can’t handle information contrary to your deeply held beliefs.
Oh, you must be very disappointed. I'm not concerned about the trade war.
baby. Now I began to publish 1000 India threads. @Get Ya Wig Split ;)
 
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China still ‘preparing’ delegation for US trip despite Donald Trump’s threat to increase tariffs

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China is still preparing to send a delegation to Washington for the trade talks despite the latest threats by US President Donald Trump to increase tariffs, Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said on Monday.

“There have been many times that the US side has threatened to increase tariffs,” Geng said when asked about Trump’s tweets on Sunday which threatened to impose punitive tariffs on US$200 billion of imports from China tariffs beginning on Friday. “China’s positions are clear and the US side is well aware of them.

“[We had hoped] to make progress in our trade talks and [we] hope the US side can work together with us and move in the same direction so we can achieve a deal that can benefit both sides. Everyone in China and abroad is very concerned about the next round of talks, and we are also learning about the relevant changes. The Chinese delegation is preparing to go to the US for the negotiations.”

The People’s Bank of China (PBOC) announced Monday morning that it had cut the required reserve ratio -- the amount of money banks must hold in reserve at the central bank -- for smaller banks to help spur lending to small businesses, who would be hit hardest by higher trade tariffs. The PBOC said the move was part of its on-going adjustments to help small businesses, making no mention of Trump’s tariff threat.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/global...remier-liu-he-likely-delay-us-trip-three-days

Poor Lie He @Beast @long_
 
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Why Trump Has All The Leverage In China Trade Negotiations, In 3 Charts

If Trump think he has leverage in China trade negotiation, his trade team wouldn't drag the negotiation for so long, he know that China is not back down like Japan and China is certainly has it own leverage over US, time will come to see who will chicken out first.
 
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If Trump think he has leverage in China trade negotiation, his trade team wouldn't drag the negotiation for so long, he know that China is not back down like Japan and China is certainly has it own leverage over US, time will come to see who will chicken out first.

I think it's more a matter of how the US has decided to utilize that leverage rather than denying they have leverage. They have gradually applied the tools at their disposal to gain the concessions they are seeking, to no avail. At this stage the additional tariffs look almost certain, China will probably continue to defy the US (or at least appear to), and there will be further action from both sides down the track.

This so called trade war is going to drag on for some time, indefinitely perhaps. I don't think China can really wait this out either and hope Trump loses the 2020 election, there is bipartisan support for this in the US.
 
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I think it's more a matter of how the US has decided to utilize that leverage rather than denying they have leverage. They have gradually applied the tools at their disposal to gain the concessions they are seeking, to no avail. At this stage the additional tariffs look almost certain, China will probably continue to defy the US (or at least appear to), and there will be further action from both sides down the track.

This so called trade war is going to drag on for some time, indefinitely perhaps. I don't think China can really wait this out either and hope Trump loses the 2020 election, there is bipartisan support for this in the US.

And I don't think China has completely exhausted their leverage options, the government keep some cards available in case that US want to escalate the trade war, everyone hope for the best but also prepare for the worst case scenario.
 
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China has a simple option, can they take 2 years of pain?
Yes, problem solved, deal with the next president.
 
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And I don't think China has completely exhausted their leverage options, the government keep some cards available in case that US want to escalate the trade war, everyone hope for the best but also prepare for the worst case scenario.

The US will escalate the trade war, I think that should be obvious by now. The fundamental issue that is driving the US in this dispute has not been addressed in any meaningful way.
 
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This POTUS is running this country like a mafia boss running his syndicate.
 
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This POTUS is running this country like a mafia boss running his syndicate.

Funny you should say that. He did business with the New York Mafia families in the 70s and 80s, including Paul Castellano whom Trump possibly modeled himself after.
 
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And I don't think China has completely exhausted their leverage options, the government keep some cards available in case that US want to escalate the trade war, everyone hope for the best but also prepare for the worst case scenario.
Banning all Hollywood movies and shutting down all Starbucks outlet in China can be an option. If Trump wants to play, see who will bleed to death first. :enjoy:
 
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