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Why things will likely be quiet on the India-Pakistan border
By Manoj Joshi
Published: September 27, 2016
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An Indian army soldier takes his position near his camp. Representational image. Photo: Reuters

When speaking of the fallout of the Uri attack, many analysts tend to say the military option should be avoided because it may spiral into a nuclear war. But what would have happened if there were no nuclear weapons?

A military confrontation would have been much more likely, but, to go by the experiences of 1965 and 1971, the last set of wars before the arrival of the nuclear era, not much would have been achieved.

People often judge the 1971 war by the outcome of the Bangladesh campaign. Sure, this was a great victory, but let us be clear, it was a battle that you could not have lost considering that the Pakistani army in East Pakistan was surrounded by Indian forces, cut off from its western half, blockaded by the sea and air and, most importantly, operating amidst a hostile population.

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In the west, however, the story was different and the outcome of operations there give us a picture which has some relevance today.

Strategically, Indian forces in the west were told to maintain an “offensive-defensive” posture which meant that while they were essentially in a defensive mode, they were free to launch offensives to prevent Pakistani ingresses into Indian territory. So, some offensives were, indeed, undertaken.

Just how tough cross-LoC operations can be is evident from how the 19 Infantry Division fared in the Tangdhar and Uri sectors, the major sources of infiltration today. Of the three operations launched, only one succeeded – which was the capture of Ghasala top and Ring Contour, adjacent to the LoC, largely due to the element of surprise, since the operation was launched on the night the war began on December 3. Two other operations in the Uri sector Op Hasti and Shikar failed.

How difficult the operations were is evident from Pakistan’s daring effort to capture Poonch in the same war. Despite a well formulated and supported plan, Pakistani forces were able to make only limited headway into Indian territory and were eventually thrown out. And in turn, a strong Indian effort to capture Daruchhian, across the Poonch river, also failed.

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It is significant to note that in all these operations, the action was just about kilometres – anywhere between 0 and 5 – beyond the ceasefire line. Deeper thrusts would have involved even more time and casualties. In the effort to capture Daruchhian, for example, India lost five officers, two JCOs and 18 jawans, with another two officers, two JCOs and 71 ORs missing, with many being presumed dead in just two days of fighting.

Professional competence naturally plays its own role in war. Sadly, it was not very evident in the western sector. We lost Chamb because of the commander’s obsession with launching an offensive which came undone.

India’s grand offensive in Shakargarh faltered because of an indifferent leadership’s “overcautious approach”; it was not the best place to launch an operation because it was strongly defended and the Indians knew it. Needless say, the attacks themselves were carried out with enormous grit and bravery and the performance of some individual battalions was outstanding.

In the Punjab sector both sides made minor gains, mainly in enclaves that jutted into the other’s borders. In Rajasthan, a disaster was averted when the Pakistani armoured force blundered into Longewala and was destroyed by the Indian Air Force. Had this not happened, a Pakistan force would have caught a planned Indian offensive to Rahim Yar Khan napping. Thereafter, despite prodding, the divisional commander could not take advantage of the Pakistani disaster in Longewala and destroy his forces.

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In 1965, the then western army commander had termed the Indian performance as “a sickening repetition of command failures leading the sacrifice of a series of cheap victories.” The performance in 1971, in the west, was perhaps no different. It was, however, made up by the spectacular victory in the east in a battle which, given the advantages India had, it could not possibly have lost.

The point is not to retail military history, but to ask whether the situation is any different today. Yes, of course it is: India and Pakistan have larger armies and India has a greater edge in airpower and the navy. But barring the existence of nuclear weapons, nothing much has changed.

The India-Pakistan border is, perhaps, the most heavily defended one in the world. Anticipating attacks, Pakistan has created a vast network of bunkers along the LoC and ditches, canals and earthworks in the Punjab border. The Rajasthan border may offer some area of ingress, but till you reach the Indus, there is little or nothing of value.

India and Pakistan have what can be termed as “effective parity” in what is our western front, if you take into account the fact that Pakistani forces would be on the defence and operate on interior lines.

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India simply lacks the numbers and equipment to breach Pakistani defences in short order. Over time, it could be done, but that is what is not available in the subcontinental dynamics. Now that we are nuclear, you can be sure that the world community, i.e. the P-5 of the UN, will jump in even faster to insist on a ceasefire.

No change in military balance

As Pervez Musharraf put it with a touch of bluster to the Christian Science Monitor in September 2002 after the threat of war had passed “… my military judgment was that they [Indians] would not attack us… It was based on the deterrence of our conventional forces. The force levels that we maintain, in the army, navy, air force is of a level which deters aggression. Militarily… there is a certain ratio required for an offensive force to succeed. The ratios that we maintain are far above that — far above what a defensive force requires to defend itself….”

There is no reason to believe that position has changed. Indeed, to go by reports of ammunition shortage, lack of artillery modernisation, or adequacy of air defence systems, things may have got worse since the time of Operation Parakram. New Delhi cannot blame anyone else but itself for its predicament. Despite advice to the contrary from blue ribbon panels and even the parliamentary standing committee on defence, India’s military management has been poor. Far from modernising rapidly, adding capacities like air assault divisions or marines which can alter the conventional military balance in its favour, it dithers and simply adds numbers to its already bloated army.

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As to professional competence, it is difficult to measure in situations short of war. But if the past is a guide you can be sure that while the performance of battalions will be superb and you will have great feats of bravery, generalship will be indifferent. As patriots, we can say that Indian generals will be more competent than Pakistani ones but that may not be saying much. Good generalship rests on quality military education, good staff work, well war-gamed plans, a regular cycle of exercises and drilled forces, contemporary equipment and of course, to go by Napoleon, a dash of luck. The system of promotion by seniority and the rapidity with which officers move from the rank of brigadier/ major general to divisional commander, corps commander and army commander ensures that they do not stick around long enough in a job to hone their skills.

Beyond generalship today, you would need the ability to integrate your air, land and sea operations, as well as fuse the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance data with precision long-range weaponry. Both India and Pakistan are roughly equal here. They have unintegrated forces, but since the chief of the Pakistan army is also the boss of Pakistan, the army has no problem in enforcing its pre-eminence in their system.

So we are in the uncomfortable position of facing effective conventional parity with Pakistan. This imposed its own logic in the case of the US and the erstwhile Soviet Union, encouraging them towards détente. Unfortunately for us, our predicament is more complicated because we face what it called a revisionist power, which dangerously uses its nuclear capability as a shield behind which to fight what it calls a “sub-conventional” war against India based on the fallacious belief that it was perfidiously denied Jammu & Kashmir during the partition.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation

This article originally appeared on The Wire.


Read more: india , India-Pakistan ties , Uri attack
 
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First few days they were war mongering like crazy. Just like 2002 and 2008 they cooled down after a while. If Modi was serious about attacking Pakistan he would've done it by now. Saying statements like "we will choose our time" means he isn't serious about it.
 
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As I have said several times Pakistan has the Military might to give india a befitting response if they dare to cross our borders . Now confirmed by Indian journalist. And i was talking about conventional military fight. But our over esteemed eastern neighbors think that there super power Army will kick Pakistan and break it in to pieces lol
 
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India would not attach until or unless we are weak from the inside
 
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Why things will likely be quiet on the India-Pakistan border
By Manoj Joshi
Published: September 27, 2016
12SHARES
SHARE TWEET EMAIL
1189328-indianarmyuri-1474973920-599-640x480.jpg

An Indian army soldier takes his position near his camp. Representational image. Photo: Reuters

When speaking of the fallout of the Uri attack, many analysts tend to say the military option should be avoided because it may spiral into a nuclear war. But what would have happened if there were no nuclear weapons?

A military confrontation would have been much more likely, but, to go by the experiences of 1965 and 1971, the last set of wars before the arrival of the nuclear era, not much would have been achieved.

People often judge the 1971 war by the outcome of the Bangladesh campaign. Sure, this was a great victory, but let us be clear, it was a battle that you could not have lost considering that the Pakistani army in East Pakistan was surrounded by Indian forces, cut off from its western half, blockaded by the sea and air and, most importantly, operating amidst a hostile population.

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In the west, however, the story was different and the outcome of operations there give us a picture which has some relevance today.

Strategically, Indian forces in the west were told to maintain an “offensive-defensive” posture which meant that while they were essentially in a defensive mode, they were free to launch offensives to prevent Pakistani ingresses into Indian territory. So, some offensives were, indeed, undertaken.

Just how tough cross-LoC operations can be is evident from how the 19 Infantry Division fared in the Tangdhar and Uri sectors, the major sources of infiltration today. Of the three operations launched, only one succeeded – which was the capture of Ghasala top and Ring Contour, adjacent to the LoC, largely due to the element of surprise, since the operation was launched on the night the war began on December 3. Two other operations in the Uri sector Op Hasti and Shikar failed.

How difficult the operations were is evident from Pakistan’s daring effort to capture Poonch in the same war. Despite a well formulated and supported plan, Pakistani forces were able to make only limited headway into Indian territory and were eventually thrown out. And in turn, a strong Indian effort to capture Daruchhian, across the Poonch river, also failed.

Modi might have to eat his own words

It is significant to note that in all these operations, the action was just about kilometres – anywhere between 0 and 5 – beyond the ceasefire line. Deeper thrusts would have involved even more time and casualties. In the effort to capture Daruchhian, for example, India lost five officers, two JCOs and 18 jawans, with another two officers, two JCOs and 71 ORs missing, with many being presumed dead in just two days of fighting.

Professional competence naturally plays its own role in war. Sadly, it was not very evident in the western sector. We lost Chamb because of the commander’s obsession with launching an offensive which came undone.

India’s grand offensive in Shakargarh faltered because of an indifferent leadership’s “overcautious approach”; it was not the best place to launch an operation because it was strongly defended and the Indians knew it. Needless say, the attacks themselves were carried out with enormous grit and bravery and the performance of some individual battalions was outstanding.

In the Punjab sector both sides made minor gains, mainly in enclaves that jutted into the other’s borders. In Rajasthan, a disaster was averted when the Pakistani armoured force blundered into Longewala and was destroyed by the Indian Air Force. Had this not happened, a Pakistan force would have caught a planned Indian offensive to Rahim Yar Khan napping. Thereafter, despite prodding, the divisional commander could not take advantage of the Pakistani disaster in Longewala and destroy his forces.

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In 1965, the then western army commander had termed the Indian performance as “a sickening repetition of command failures leading the sacrifice of a series of cheap victories.” The performance in 1971, in the west, was perhaps no different. It was, however, made up by the spectacular victory in the east in a battle which, given the advantages India had, it could not possibly have lost.

The point is not to retail military history, but to ask whether the situation is any different today. Yes, of course it is: India and Pakistan have larger armies and India has a greater edge in airpower and the navy. But barring the existence of nuclear weapons, nothing much has changed.

The India-Pakistan border is, perhaps, the most heavily defended one in the world. Anticipating attacks, Pakistan has created a vast network of bunkers along the LoC and ditches, canals and earthworks in the Punjab border. The Rajasthan border may offer some area of ingress, but till you reach the Indus, there is little or nothing of value.

India and Pakistan have what can be termed as “effective parity” in what is our western front, if you take into account the fact that Pakistani forces would be on the defence and operate on interior lines.

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India simply lacks the numbers and equipment to breach Pakistani defences in short order. Over time, it could be done, but that is what is not available in the subcontinental dynamics. Now that we are nuclear, you can be sure that the world community, i.e. the P-5 of the UN, will jump in even faster to insist on a ceasefire.

No change in military balance

As Pervez Musharraf put it with a touch of bluster to the Christian Science Monitor in September 2002 after the threat of war had passed “… my military judgment was that they [Indians] would not attack us… It was based on the deterrence of our conventional forces. The force levels that we maintain, in the army, navy, air force is of a level which deters aggression. Militarily… there is a certain ratio required for an offensive force to succeed. The ratios that we maintain are far above that — far above what a defensive force requires to defend itself….”

There is no reason to believe that position has changed. Indeed, to go by reports of ammunition shortage, lack of artillery modernisation, or adequacy of air defence systems, things may have got worse since the time of Operation Parakram. New Delhi cannot blame anyone else but itself for its predicament. Despite advice to the contrary from blue ribbon panels and even the parliamentary standing committee on defence, India’s military management has been poor. Far from modernising rapidly, adding capacities like air assault divisions or marines which can alter the conventional military balance in its favour, it dithers and simply adds numbers to its already bloated army.

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As to professional competence, it is difficult to measure in situations short of war. But if the past is a guide you can be sure that while the performance of battalions will be superb and you will have great feats of bravery, generalship will be indifferent. As patriots, we can say that Indian generals will be more competent than Pakistani ones but that may not be saying much. Good generalship rests on quality military education, good staff work, well war-gamed plans, a regular cycle of exercises and drilled forces, contemporary equipment and of course, to go by Napoleon, a dash of luck. The system of promotion by seniority and the rapidity with which officers move from the rank of brigadier/ major general to divisional commander, corps commander and army commander ensures that they do not stick around long enough in a job to hone their skills.

Beyond generalship today, you would need the ability to integrate your air, land and sea operations, as well as fuse the intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance data with precision long-range weaponry. Both India and Pakistan are roughly equal here. They have unintegrated forces, but since the chief of the Pakistan army is also the boss of Pakistan, the army has no problem in enforcing its pre-eminence in their system.

So we are in the uncomfortable position of facing effective conventional parity with Pakistan. This imposed its own logic in the case of the US and the erstwhile Soviet Union, encouraging them towards détente. Unfortunately for us, our predicament is more complicated because we face what it called a revisionist power, which dangerously uses its nuclear capability as a shield behind which to fight what it calls a “sub-conventional” war against India based on the fallacious belief that it was perfidiously denied Jammu & Kashmir during the partition.

The writer is a Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation

This article originally appeared on The Wire.


Read more: india , India-Pakistan ties , Uri attack

Indian army ended up with 5000 sq km of territory without much of an effort to capture territory

Geography makes defense of Azad Kashmir and Northern Punjab easy
Pakistan is vulnerable in Sind and Southern Punjab.
 
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Indian army ended up with 5000 sq km of territory without much of an effort to capture territory

Geography makes defense of Azad Kashmir and Northern Punjab easy
Pakistan is vulnerable in Sind and Southern Punjab.

Any reference for your above claim regarding territory,
 
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It really makes no sense for india to attack pakistan . None at all. We have so much to loose . A lot of big initiatives done by the government to bring FDI will go boom . Foreign MNC's might pull out. Tourism will get effected . Infra projects will get halted . We will basically go back 10 years in our devlopment agenda . So any Tom , dick and harry can tell that there will be no attack .
 
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Indian army ended up with 5000 sq km of territory without much of an effort to capture territory

Geography makes defense of Azad Kashmir and Northern Punjab easy
Pakistan is vulnerable in Sind and Southern Punjab.


If what you say is correct then india would have attacked after mumbai 2008 and after Uri earlier this month. Fact of the matter is you could not do this even though we are more than 7× smaller than india. That is a testament to how powerful, strong & advanced the Pakistan military is. Do you have any concrete evidence that 15000 km of the Pakistan mainland was captured by India? Please don't quote indianpedia.
 
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If what you say is correct then india would have attacked after mumbai 2008 and after Uri earlier this month. Fact of the matter is you could not do this even though we are more than 7× smaller than india. That is a testament to how powerful, strong & advanced the Pakistan military is. Do you have any concrete evidence that 15000 km of the Pakistan mainland was captured by India? Please don't quote indianpedia.

this is the only pakistani source I can find
http://storyofpakistan.com/the-simla-agreement

"Indian troops withdrew from the 5,139 sq. miles of Pakistani territory in Punjab and Sindh it had occupied during the war. Similarly, Pakistani troops withdrew from 69 sq. miles of territory in Punjab and Rajasthan. In Kashmir, India retained 480 sq. miles and Pakistan 52 sq. miles."
 
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If what you say is correct then india would have attacked after mumbai 2008 and after Uri earlier this month. Fact of the matter is you could not do this even though we are more than 7× smaller than india. That is a testament to how powerful, strong & advanced the Pakistan military is. Do you have any concrete evidence that 15000 km of the Pakistan mainland was captured by India? Please don't quote indianpedia.
It depends on how you define power....Even USA don't attack North Korea irrespective of the fact that they are turning out to be a pain and even China is not able to put a leash on their nuclear program....does that mean North Korea is powerful, strong and advanced?? Now not for a second i am trying to compare Pakistan Army with North Korea...what i am trying to say is that with nukes in hand this comparison makes no sense...and is not relevant...
 
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this is the only pakistani source I can find
http://storyofpakistan.com/the-simla-agreement

"Indian troops withdrew from the 5,139 sq. miles of Pakistani territory in Punjab and Sindh it had occupied during the war. Similarly, Pakistani troops withdrew from 69 sq. miles of territory in Punjab and Rajasthan. In Kashmir, India retained 480 sq. miles and Pakistan 52 sq. miles."


True or not, the most pertinent point is that India will now never ever be able to take any Pakistani territory whatsoever. In 1971, Pakistan was super weak and was attached to a people that were racially, genetically, physically and culturally as different to us as Ethiopians are. Because of this hyper weakness in 1971, india was able to attack Pakistan. In 2016, the Pakistan nation and military is much more supremely powerful, advanced and strong. As such india cannot attack us even though they are 7× times more bigger than Pakistan. That's all that matters.

It depends on how you define power....Even USA don't attack North Korea irrespective of the fact that they are turning out to be a pain and even China is not able to put a leash on their nuclear program....does that mean North Korea is powerful, strong and advanced?? Now not for a second i am trying to compare Pakistan Army with North Korea...what i am trying to say is that with nukes in hand this comparison makes no sense...and is not relevant...


I'd rather be North Korea then have my nation destroyed, starved, malnourished, contaminated with depleted uranium with millions dead. Just ask the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians & Libyans. So yes North Korea is a powerful country. indians not accepting that fact doesn't change this ground reality.
 
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I'd rather be North Korea then have my nation destroyed, starved, malnourished, contaminated with depleted uranium with millions dead. Just ask the Iraqis, Afghans, Syrians & Libyans. So yes North Korea is a powerful country. indians not accepting that fact doesn't change this ground reality.
:disagree: ....however they are still malnourished and starved with millions dead....anyways i got the definition of power...i wish Pakistan never go that route...
 
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:disagree: ....however they are still malnourished and starved with millions dead....anyways i got the definition of power...i wish Pakistan never go that route...
Did you ever visited north korea or are you feed by same properganda by Western media. My dear friend their is no malnutrition or starvation in North Korea. Yes in some parts of country their is but I can also say that also exists in india as well. So as per your theory we can call India also a state that does not feed its citizens?
North Korea and specially it's military is well developed. Thats why that country has active nuclear program.And the tough time they are giving to USA and it's allies is a prime example that north korea is not starved nation.A starved nation cannot stand in front of super power for decades.
Like indians have misconception about Pakistan and Pakistani Military the same misconception americans have for north koreans.
 
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