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Why the west laughs about Putins "threats" for sanctions against EU and USA

You can add Australia,Canada to the alliance(as they are firm allies) and you got 39 trillion $...with South Korea it will round it up to a nice 40+ trillion.In fact,the numbers are bigger.

Plus;

EU 2014=18.4 trillion,US=17.5 trillion,Japan=5 trillion....some 41 trillion allready + Canada,Aus=44 trillion $...not to shabby

Btw,the "declining" EU has managed to add 1 trillion $ to its GDP in 2014 vis a vis 2013.

There are non EU countries who will immediately toe the same line if need be,like Norway,Switzerland and there you have 1.2 trillion $ more.That makes it 45 trillion +...and on,and on.

Very well said, my friend.

How does the other side of the double-entry bookkeeping look like?

This is from 2012 and it's gone worse …

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@Nihonjin1051
 
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Economy. Money. Debt. They all mean nada. As long as there is material, there is wealth. Germany built thousands of Me 262 fighter jets and hundreds of Ar 234 bomber jets between 1944 and early 1945.
 
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EU GDP is nearly 17 trillion and BRICS GDP is nearly equal to that + Plus EU is no where in Military power (don't count USA with you) in front of BRICS


But that guy is not talking about Alliance system he is talking about EU only check his post first.

You are wrong as usual. The BRICS GDP combined is not even 50% of the EU GDP.

EU GDP is 17 trillion.

China GDP is 8 trillion
Russia GDP is 2 trillion
India is 1,8 trillion
Brazil is 2,2 trillion Trillion
and South Africa only 400 billion...makes combined: 14,4 trillion...

And what do you need a military power for? We have nukes and technologies like GMO that you don´t even know. Beside that Brazil is a western country and would always join us if the shit hits the fan. They are european and christian.

+ add the fact that BRICS is basicly only China. The rest is irrelevant.

Dude, the US lost BIG in Iraq. Thousands killed. Tens of thousands wounded. Casualty rate 1 out of 4.

The only one who lost in iraq are the iraqi civilians...

He's a former KGB agent, he's in charge of a country, and has successfully taken territory from two countries without having to worry about foreign military intervention. Everything he does is calculated, don't mistake his actions for stupidity. You don't become an intelligence agent, and the leader of a country by being stupid.

While it is true that Russia lacks the infrastructure to start selling gas to China to compensate for the EU, it is also true that by the time the sanctions actually do major damage, the flow of gas will begin. Sanctions may have instantaneous effects, but they themselves aren't instantaneously implemented, there is usually a grace period where people and companies doing business with the sanctionee, are given a time limit to withdraw their investments. Look at Iran, it took around 2 years for the sanctions to fully come into affect.

Also keep in mind that the sanctions by the EU are mostly watered down, and pretty much symbolic; They have very little effect on Russia's economy. The sanctions that Russia is worried about is the US' sanctions, which could harm Russia's international investment, but Putin has smartly started to rally his international supporters (such as India) to try and mitigate, or completely negate the effects of those sanctions.


If you need a weak country like india for support you know you are in the abyss.

not true bric has bigger economy
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On a side note. My hometown Munich alone has a higher GDP than South Africa. Can Munich join your BRICS? :flirt:

You can call it MBRICS or BRIMCS.
 
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You are wrong as usual. The BRICS GDP combined is not even 50% of the EU GDP.
EU GDP is 17 trillion.
China GDP is 8 trillion
Russia GDP is 2 trillion
India is 1,8 trillion
Brazil is 2,2 trillion Trillion
and South Africa only 400 billion...makes combined: 14,4 trillion...
And what do you need a military power for? We have nukes and technologies like GMO that you don´t even know. Beside that Brazil is a western country and would always join us if the shit hits the fan. They are european and christian.
+ add the fact that BRICS is basicly only China. The rest is irrelevant.
LOL Nice calculation :lol:
EU total GDP in 2013 was 17.35 trillion (World Bank Data 2013)
China 9.24 trillion, Russia 2.1 trillion, India 1.87 trillion, Brazil 2.24 trillion and South Africa 350 billion (World Bank Data 2013)
So BRICS GDP is 15.83 trillion dollars and next year it will be ahead of EU GDP for sure.
Even if i go with your calculation its still not 50% of EU, you should improve your calculation
And you are saying that BRICS is basically China, So what is EU? There are countries like Malta in EU with 10 billion GDP :coffee:
 
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Russia still have the capability to screw Europe & EU economically.
 
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LOL Nice calculation :lol:
EU total GDP in 2013 was 17.35 trillion (World Bank Data 2013)
China 9.24 trillion, Russia 2.1 trillion, India 1.87 trillion, Brazil 2.24 trillion and South Africa 350 billion (World Bank Data 2013)
So BRICS GDP is 15.83 trillion dollars and next year it will be ahead of EU GDP for sure.
Even if i go with your calculation its still not 50% of EU, you should improve your calculation
And you are saying that BRICS is basically China, So what is EU? There are countries like Malta in EU with 10 billion GDP :coffee:


ha ha ha next year it will be ahead of EU? How so? You plan to add another India and Brazil to come even? Do you even see how silly your statement is?

Russia still have the capability to screw Europe & EU economically.


Russa is smallre than italy. To show you how pathetic russia is. All russian corporations combined...are smaller than Apple and Microsoft alone.

You guys really serve my amusement. :D

LOL Nice calculation :lol:
EU total GDP in 2013 was 17.35 trillion (World Bank Data 2013)
China 9.24 trillion, Russia 2.1 trillion, India 1.87 trillion, Brazil 2.24 trillion and South Africa 350 billion (World Bank Data 2013)
So BRICS GDP is 15.83 trillion dollars and next year it will be ahead of EU GDP for sure.
Even if i go with your calculation its still not 50% of EU, you should improve your calculation
And you are saying that BRICS is basically China, So what is EU? There are countries like Malta in EU with 10 billion GDP :coffee:


In EU we have Germany as most powerful. But UK, France and UK come close.

But BRICS? China is so dominant that the rest is totally meaningless. South Africa has a lower GDP than the city Munich alone.

BRICS is China and its pets. Thats also the reason why we only show respect to China.
 
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ha ha ha next year it will be ahead of EU? How so? You plan to add another India and Brazil to come even? Do you even see how silly your statement is?

Who won the world cup?

:lol:

Agreed. It is China that breathes life into BRICs. It is China that has $4 Trillion in reserves, and willing to invest hundreds of billions into developing nations. China is the, to use figurative speech, "Rich Uncle" in that club. China's national reserves is at $4 Trillion. That's double the national GDP of Russia. :-)

Am I right, Sir @Chinese-Dragon ?
 
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The West should forget about punishing Russia and do more to help Ukraine

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March 14 2014

The United States and the European Union both announced aid packages for Ukraine last week. But with the new government in Kiev struggling to clean house after the corrupt rule of Viktor Yanukovych and face down a belligerent Russia, the aid packages are too small and will disburse too slowly to provide the immediate help it needs.


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Want to help Ukraine? Pony up.

Ukraine’s current crisis is typically miscast as a political conflict between East and West—between pro-Russian Yanukovych and Europhile opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko; between the country’s Russian-speaking eastern regions and its Ukrainian-speaking western half; and between Russia and its old Cold War adversaries. These political clashes are, however, byproducts of a much more profound, long-simmering Ukrainian economic crisis that has been decades in the making.

Since its independence in 1991, Ukraine hasn’t been economically viable. Though it is one of the world’s top cereal producers, its manufacturing infrastructure is tired and its steel industry is obsolete. It adds to these woes by rigging its currency at artificially high levels, making consumer imports cheap, but exports uncompetitive.

The economy is also dangerously dependent on natural gas imports from Russia that power about 40% of Ukraine’s electricity production. The supply contracts for Russia’s natural gas provide a cover for massive corruption by Russian and Ukrainian interests, as Quartz’s Steve LeVine notes.

The problem is compounded by huge Ukrainian government subsidies: Kiev pays about 80% of the cost of Russian gas imports. In theory, it passes the remaining 20% on to consumers and businesses, but the government’s collection efforts are spotty.

As a result, the Ukrainian state has racked up debt equivalent to about 40% of GDP. That’s not massive compared with other troubled countries—Greece’s debt-to-GDP ratio exceeds 150%—but it’s more than Ukraine and most emerging markets can sustain.

Ukraine is living on borrowed time
Through the 1990s and early 2000s, foreign appetite for Ukrainian grain and steel kept the country afloat. But with the 2008 financial crisis, demand for Ukrainian exports crashed. Rather than adjusting their spending, successive Ukrainian governments flirted alternately with Russia and the West to paper over the country’s financial cracks.

With IMF support, the government set reform programs in motion in 2008 and 2010 to put the country on a sounder financial footing. But both IMF loans were suspended when Ukraine reneged on promised reforms. Accession talks with the European Union stalled. Kiev turned to Moscow for help, and replaced Western financing with $15 billion in support from Russia combined with $7 billion of natural gas discounts. All of that got pulled when Yanukovych fled office a few weeks ago.


Ukraine is now living on borrowed time. Around $20 billion in debt comes due over the next two years. That’s $20 billion the Ukrainian government can’t finance. Its other financing needs are murky: No-one trusts the Kiev authorities’ numbers. An IMF mission arrived in Kiev last week to set the facts straight, but it won’t report back to Washington for another week.


In any case, a crisis two decades in the making can’t be undone in the 18 to 36 months of a typical IMF-supported reform program. As for the American and European aid, it will also likely carry conditions the fledgling Ukrainian government can’t fulfill in the coming months. The government has already started slashing pensions and social spending to meet the West’s demands. Rather than shoring up the interim administration, this is a recipe for disaster ahead of May elections.

Kiev needs more money, and sooner
Ukraine needs more time to reform its economy and put it on a sustainable path. The West should make its offer of aid more realistic.

First, the US and EU need to front-load their aid packages and make them richer. The American offer of $1 billion in loan guarantees would make only a dent in Ukraine’s financing needs. Europe’s $11 billion aid package would release only about $1.6 billion this year, and then only on agreement to widespread reforms and a deal with the IMF. To dispel any fear of a debt default and defer crippling spending cuts, the US and Europe should offer Ukraine $20 billion over the next two years, of which $7 billion to $10 billion should be upfront in liquid non-project financing.


Second, the West needs to ensure that IMF money carries fewer strings and disburses faster than past loans. The Ukrainian government has requested $15 billion from the IMF, but this is likely to come in two parts: perhaps $1 billion under an emergency facility, with the rest over the next three years once Kiev has agreed to tough conditions.


Third, the West needs to open unilaterally and immediately its markets to Ukrainian goods by dropping tariff barriers.


Punishing Russia won’t achieve anything
Diplomatic isolation, asset freezes, and travel bans may be appropriate, but are unlikely to have much impact on Russia. Economic and financial sanctions that would actually bite aren’t credible. Russia does $100 billion in annual trade with Europe. One-third of European natural gas comes from Russia. The $3 billion in transit fees on that gas constitute Ukraine’s largest service export. And London’s banks house billions in oligarchs’ assets. Europe needs Russia and Vladimir Putin knows it.

Likewise, musings about the US using its abundant shale gas or releases from its Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to drive down global energy prices and hurt Russia’s exports are fantasies. It will be years before the US has the infrastructure needed to export its gas surplus. And SPR releases turn the screws on Russia only if OPEC, or at least the Saudis, check their production too.

Finally, helping Ukraine is diplomatically easier than sanctioning Russia. In contrast with the UN Security Council, where Russian and Chinese vetoes hamper action, the US and Europe have enough voting power on the IMF Executive Board to approve a large loan with few strings to Ukraine. They should use that power.

Solve Ukraine’s economic problems, and you stop Kiev’s oscillating tease between East and West. Help Ukraine’s emerging leaders make the country economically sustainable, and you make Ukraine a bridge between East and West rather than a flash point of tension. Henry Kissinger asks how the Ukraine crisis ends. The answer: When we start sending real money to Kiev.

The West should forget about punishing Russia and do more to help Ukraine – Quartz
 
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Who won the world cup?

:lol:

I was watching that, great match. Germany had a well deserved victory. :cheers:

Agreed. It is China that breathes life into BRICs. It is China that has $4 Trillion in reserves, and willing to invest hundreds of billions into developing nations. China is the, to use figurative speech, "Rich Uncle" in that club. China's national reserves is at $4 Trillion. That's double the national GDP of Russia. :-)

Am I right, Sir @Chinese-Dragon ?

China has a larger economy than the other BRICS, as well as larger reserves and surpluses, however we are lacking greatly in diplomatic, military and even some economic influence. As well as resources (until we can harness our shale and renewable energy properly in a few decades time).

Russia for example has more diplomatic and military influence than we do. India has a large customer base and a lot of long-term potential, and Brazil and South Africa also have a lot of potential.

BRICS is very much an equal-equal partnership, we need their economic/military/diplomatic influence just as much as they need ours.

China by itself doesn't have much weight on the world stage, not compared to our population size. The downsides of being a developing country.
 
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I was watching that, great match. Germany had a well deserved victory. :cheers:



China has a larger economy than the other BRICS, as well as larger reserves and surpluses, however we are lacking greatly in diplomatic, military and even some economic influence. As well as resources (until we can harness our shale and renewable energy properly in a few decades time).

Russia for example has more diplomatic and military influence than we do. India has a large customer base and a lot of long-term potential, and Brazil and South Africa also have a lot of potential.

BRICS is very much an equal-equal partnership, we need their economic/military/diplomatic influence just as much as they need ours.

China by itself doesn't have much weight on the world stage, not compared to our population size. The downsides of being a developing country.

Very well said, and I take your points.
 
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The answer: When we start sending real money to Kiev.


I don't get it. Why can't the US send say 10 trillion dollars to Ukraine right away. I mean, money grows on TREES in the US. The US already spend tens of billions on Iraq since withdraw and has already spent billions on Syria. Surely the US can take a debt of 10 trillion from World Bank or IMF and send that amount to Ukraine, no? :coffee:

Of course, money is only a number, and numbers are infinite. People are finite. The war in Ukraine is still going to kill thousands and thousands, no matter how much money is in question.
 
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In my view , the paper money is of no importance in modern world. The natural resources will dictate the economic progress of nations in near future and in that regard Russia cannot be ignored as it is one the richest country in terms of natural resources like oil, gas and other important minerals.
 
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