Why the TTP is undefeatable

[hydrabadi_arab]

@KaiserX Just saw this, it kinda reinforces my argument from earlier...

I feel a civil war is coming ngl

https://twitter.com/x/status/1612403185221517313

Mehusdistan/Waziristan, we bomb them to hell. Ban their movement across Pakistan, put them in concentration camps. That will restrict terrorism attacks to few districts. Support ANA to take over Khorasan, Afghan taliban is restricted to east of Kabul. Give it a decade and they will come to sense, its inevitable. Thats how you civilize savage nations.

Or continue with appeasement policy for never ending WOT.

 

[TheSolution]

Mehusdistan/Waziristan, we bomb them to hell. Ban their movement across Pakistan, put them in concentration camps. That will restrict terrorism attacks to few districts. Support ANA to take over Khorasan, Afghan taliban is restricted to east of Kabul. Give it a decade and they will come to sense, its inevitable. Thats how you civilize savage nations.

First immediate step for Pakistan should be to remove any anti-Islamic laws.

Don't give any group the power to claim the state as murtad or anti-Islamic, otherwise they have legitimacy in their narrative, and a strong recruitment drive!

Destroy their narrative, after that you can crush down on them much harder.

 

[CLUMSY]

First immediate step for Pakistan should be to remove any anti-Islamic laws.

Don't give any group the power to claim the state as murtad or anti-Islamic, otherwise they have legitimacy in their narrative, and a strong recruitment drive!

Destroy their narrative, after that you can crush down on them much harder.

Mullahs always have a reason to hate the state. Shouldnt try to make it so they wouldnt have an excuse. Rather should actually do something against them to send em in their graves

 

[SQ8]

First immediate step for Pakistan should be to remove any anti-Islamic laws.

Don't give any group the power to claim the state as murtad or anti-Islamic, otherwise they have legitimacy in their narrative, and a strong recruitment drive!

Destroy their narrative, after that you can crush down on them much harder.

Who determines that?

This 10th planet of the solar system who has a propensity for preteen girls and is at every US embassy party sometimes caught drunk back from it?

Or other Mullahs who consider traditional horrors like watta satta in line with “Islamic values”?

 

[Menace2Society]

Separate religion from state and go full Ataturk.

Just got back from Turkey, its well developed and just normal. No mullah, no strange looking people, prosperity. Its ideal. Wish Pakistan could become this.

 

[TheSolution]

Who determines that?

This 10th planet of the solar system who has a propensity for preteen girls and is at every US embassy party sometimes caught drunk back from it?

Or other Mullahs who consider traditional horrors like watta satta in line with “Islamic values”?

I was referring to just very basic things which majority of the population can agree on.

I would say things like LGBT, Joyland, etc. If this is normalised they will begin to lean towards groups like TTP because most people simply see this stuff as a redline. But after this it becomes very difficult to claim it as a murtad state as it's nauanced, and recruitment would be stunted.

But if you cross boundaries of even the average Muslim, it's going to be near impossible to counter the narrative or have the people's support to crush them.

Mullahs always have a reason to hate the state. Shouldnt try to make it so they wouldnt have an excuse. Rather should actually do something against them to send em in their graves

It's about how receptive the population is.

Majority of the population will be very receptive and against basic things like LGBT, and Joyland, which empowers TTP. Other things become more nuanced and it's not easy to takfir like that, nor will they buy it as easily. The state could overpower them easily using the Khawarij narrative.

But otherwise if you go against basic principles that the average Muslim agrees on, then their narrative will be strengthened hence recruitment goes up significantly.

I think a lot of people here are in foreign countries like myself, but they don't realise Pakistan is still largely religious and conservative in most places. Don't give these organisations such easy ammo.

 

[TheSolution]

Separate religion from state and go full Ataturk.

Just got back from Turkey, its well developed and just normal. No mullah, no strange looking people, prosperity. Its ideal. Wish Pakistan could become this.

Impossible, you'll start a war you are set to lose because 98% of people would be against it.

In reality Pakistan only needs to do the bare minimum to have the narrative edge over religious extremist organisations.

Society is opening up but it's going to have the basic redlines of the average Muslim because it's still a Muslim state, and if you cross those then that's what TTP will take very good advantage of.

Literally just cancel LGBT endorsement by the state, cancel any propogation of modern feminism. And regulate religious preachers at the same time, then you'll be fine. Majority of the population will be fine with it.

 

[Menace2Society]

Impossible, you'll start a war you are set to lose because 98% of people would be against it.

In reality Pakistan only needs to do the bare minimum to have the narrative edge over religious extremist organisations.

Society is opening up but it's going to have the basic redlines of the average Muslim because it's still a Muslim state, and if you cross those then that's what TTP will take very good advantage of.

Literally just cancel LGBT endorsement by the state, cancel any propogation of modern feminism. And regulate religious preachers at the same time, then you'll be fine. Majority of the population will be fine with it.

98% of people don't even know how to read and write and have allowed jahil Sharif and Zardari families to rule over them for decades. They don't know what's good for them, they don't know much of anything.

Pakistan needs its Ataturk moment. I am sure the people will get used it and once prosperity sets in they will never look back.

The under 25 years olds are already more secular inclined so its only a matter of time.

Look at how resilient Turkey is, they are next to the basket case that is Syria and Iraq and their society remained strong, unaffected. They are not LGBT or feminist, just normal people.

The solution to Afghanistan meddling in Pakistan and anyone else meddling in Pakistan is to separate religion from state.

 

[TheSolution]

98% of people don't even know how to read and write and have allowed jahil Sharif and Zardari families to rule over them for decades. They don't know what's good for them, they don't know much of anything.

Pakistan needs its Ataturk moment. I am sure the people will get used it and once prosperity sets in they will never look back.

The under 25 years olds are already more secular inclined so its only a matter of time.

Look at how resilient Turkey is, they are next to the basket case that is Syria and Iraq and their society remained strong, unaffected. They are not LGBT or feminist, just normal people.

The solution to Afghanistan meddling in Pakistan and anyone else meddling in Pakistan is to separate religion from state.

We can agree to disagree. But it would actually give power to Afghanistan.

 

[One_Nation]

Impossible, you'll start a war you are set to lose because 98% of people would be against it.

In reality Pakistan only needs to do the bare minimum to have the narrative edge over religious extremist organisations.

Society is opening up but it's going to have the basic redlines of the average Muslim because it's still a Muslim state, and if you cross those then that's what TTP will take very good advantage of.

Literally just cancel LGBT endorsement by the state, cancel any propogation of modern feminism. And regulate religious preachers at the same time, then you'll be fine. Majority of the population will be fine with it.

What is the guarantee that if Pakistan puts on that Islamic skin that you prefer, their violence will stop?
This is like giving a reason to all of their violence and accepting responsibility that the issue is with us and not with them. You can be as Islamic as you want they will still want to blow you up. What you do and how you live has nothing to do with someones hate.

 

[Menace2Society]

What is the guarantee that if Pakistan puts on that Islamic skin that you prefer, their violence will stop?
This is like giving a reason to all of their violence and accepting responsibility that the issue is with us and not with them. You can be as Islamic as you want they will still want to blow you up. What you do and how you live has nothing to do with someones hate.

Its a bottomless pit. Its never enough. Allowing an ideology to control your life to this level is obsessive compulsive disorder and a psychotic mental disorder when wanting others around you to do the same. A normal functioning human is neutral and balanced. There can be no winning when a mental illness is encouraged at state level.

Just look at India and Hinduvita, Afghanistan and Taliban, Iran and the Ayatollahs, Syria and ISIS.

 

[AlKardai]

Separate religion from state and go full Ataturk.

Just got back from Turkey, its well developed and just normal. No mullah, no strange looking people, prosperity. Its ideal. Wish Pakistan could become this.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Losing Islam is the final straw that the TTP needs to justify its attacks on Pakistan.

A Secular Muslim is someone who believes that the Creator was sufficient enough to set highly calculated Mathematical and Physical laws that organize Planets in Orbit but wasn’t sufficient enough to create laws that organizes the human society.
In short, an utter disgrace to Islam and everything that Muslims stand for

 

[Olympus81]

First immediate step for Pakistan should be to remove any anti-Islamic laws.

Don't give any group the power to claim the state as murtad or anti-Islamic, otherwise they have legitimacy in their narrative, and a strong recruitment drive!

Destroy their narrative, after that you can crush down on them much harder.

Won’t happen and will create exactly the opposite effect.

As I said, you give them an inch and they’ll want a mile. Pakistan’s constitution is quite clear, no law can be enacted that oppose the tenets of Islam.

And law giving rights to transgender is not against Islam. I don’t know but Pakistan has not legalized LGBQT+.

These dogs from hell only know violence. Their DNA reeks of violence and killing. You can’t reason with them. Pakistan will always be in a passive aggressive approach with them until they are wiped off. Taliban can choose to mend their ways or they’re increasingly looking like TTP 2.0.

 

[One_Nation]

Its a bottomless pit. Its never enough. Allowing an ideology to control your life to this level is obsessive compulsive disorder and a psychotic mental disorder when wanting others around you to do the same. A normal functioning human is neutral and balanced. There can be no winning when a mental illness is encouraged at state level.

Just look at India and Hinduvita, Afghanistan and Taliban, Iran and the Ayatollahs, Syria and ISIS.

The way Pakistani people submit to their violence shows us how in the past forceful conversions to Islam would have happened under the threat of sword.
Sword has been replaced by suicide bombings.
Under threats of extreme violence people are willing to change which is like putting on an act out of fear of violence.
This also explains why there are so many confused Muslims here.

 

[Menace2Society]

The way Pakistani people submit to their violence shows us how in the past forceful conversions to Islam would have happened under the threat of sword.
Sword has been replaced by suicide bombings.
Under threats of extreme violence people are willing to change which is like putting on an act out of fear of violence.
This also explains why there are so many confused Muslims here.

Yes its genetically ingrained in them to constantly prove how religious they are and make sure others around them do the same because during the invasions they needed to do this to ensure their survival.

Pakistan needs to become secular to do away with this insecurity.