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Why Tejas Mk2 (MWF) Will Be Important

Don't think privatization will help, unless govt dilutes a significant portion. there are simply no metrics to hold these guys accountable.

Termination is the first thing. And without a private rival to compete with these guys, they'll be screwed.

Private sector rules are very different, my friend.

Also, special clauses and laws need to be introduced in holding DPSUs accountable for any non-combat casualty caused due to faulty equipment in general. Not just HAL but all PSUs who make anything remotely related to military's usage on the frontline.

We have lost too many precious men due to inferior, delayed and expensive products of DPSUs.

Also, IAS officers should not be governing any DPSUs. It should be a panel of on-ground military officers with a 1 or 2 star rank, in conjunction with a technocrat private sector CEO who has led positions in civil or defence related fields of that area.
 
Termination is the first thing. And without a private rival to compete with these guys, they'll be screwed.

Private sector rules are very different, my friend.

Also, special clauses and laws need to be introduced in holding DPSUs accountable for any non-combat casualty caused due to faulty equipment in general. Not just HAL but all PSUs who make anything remotely related to military's usage on the frontline.

We have lost too many precious men in shit due to inferior, delayed and expensive products of DPSUs.

Also, IAS officers should not be governing any DPSUs. It should be a panel of on-ground military officers with a 1 or 2 star rank.
Liability clause is a serious topic mate... The MD of the entity actually has liability (and criminal liability) with a cross read of Companies Act and Criminal law already - the question is, establishing that accountability.

The answer is in privatization but in a meaningful way with proper external governance.

Also, don;t you think Army guys running defence establishment also creates a serious conflict of interests and lack of actual competence to run a design and manufacturing organization - which HAL is supposed to be?
 
Liability clause is a serious topic mate... The MD of the entity actually has liability (and criminal liability) with a cross read of Companies Act and Criminal law already - the question is, establishing that accountability.

The answer is in privatization but in a meaningful way with proper external governance.

Also, don;t you think Army guys running defence establishment also creates a serious conflict of interests and lack of actual competence to run a design and manufacturing organization - which HAL is supposed to be?

I said that a CEO will run the organisation with a one or two-star panel of officers who are rotated every 2 years who can advise the CEO on exact requirements of IAF/Army/Navy.

I fail to see how can there be a conflict of interest with military people involved, when having the end customer involved in the development of a defence product would allow the end user to ensure all standards are met.
 
I said that a CEO will run the organisation with a one or two-star panel of officers who are rotated every 2 years who can advise the CEO on exact requirements of IAF/Army/Navy.

I fail to see how can there be a conflict of interest with military people involved, when having the end customer involved in the development of a defence product would allow the end user to ensure all standards are met.
Yep, that structure actually could be helpful. I confused what you said for a uniformed man being the CEO.

Indeed then there is no Conflict of Interest and this becomes an enabler.. main thing is a professional management.

Make good weapons, make profits from them.. but make good stuff and be accountable for that.
 
Wow this person already know how capable all secret Chinese AESA radar performance are.

It is not secrete at all. Its capabilities are there in public domain. It is an ordinary aircooled AESA unlike Uttam which can track ground and see target when it is A ro A combat mode. It can increase power as well when the deep scanning is required which Chinese AESA can not do. Chinese is just cheap mall to sell to those countries which they can not afford to buy state of art weapon or those countries to whom nobody wants to sell because of their bad record.

dog fight, why not a donkey fight? Modern air-warfare will be fought with BVR missiles , I dont think jets even see each other visually and do all those circus. Whichever side is able to detect other beyond the visual range will win the battle.

It is true that BVRhas a great role in modern warfare but is stupid to say that dogfight will be irrelevant. Just look at the Indo Pak Conflict of 27 th feb 2019. Dog fight happened . So nobody can say that those capabilities are not needed in modern warfare.

Rapid modification, and evolution of Tejas is the way forward. Another Marut cant happen.

Read the stuff posted on Tejas Mk1+ on same forum.
 
It is not fighting worthy only a flying toy who perform in circus only jet created two variets and first version is never going to be operational what a pitty

And other thing is this is a tool of corruption for DRDO and indian polititions
 
Why Tejas Mk2 (MWF) Will Be Important

Written by: Vipul Dave
Date: February 12, 2019


Indian CRPF convoy hit by Pakistan trained terrorist with huge explosive killing more than 40 Jawans. India warned retaliation and preparation of air raid begun. India struck LET terrorist camp with laser guided bombs and eliminated hundreds of Terrorists, their trainers and JEM commanders including family members of JEM chief Masood Azahar. .

Once again Indian Airforce Choose 4 decade old Mirage 2000 for the mission inspite of having state of art planes like Sukhoi MKIs, Mig 29 etc. This shows how important the plane is. It is very much relevant even today with upgrades in electronic inspite of new fighters entering the service. India used the same plane in bombing Kargil height inspite of having MKIs, Jaguars and Mig 29s.

The question here is what makes Mirage 2000 so special. Why it is a weapon of Choice of Indian army even after 4 decades. What after Mirage 2000 and its substitute once Mirage 2000 retires. These questions needs consideration.

Mirage 2000 is a medium weight fighter with Maximum takeoff weight of over 17 tons and payload of over 5 tons. It is upgraded with state of art electronics and one of the best BVR Mica. It has a high Instantaneous turn rate to fire missile first in case of conflict. It has a highly reliable engine and top speed in excess of Mach 1.8. All this makes it a weapon of choice for Indian air force. Now what next after Mirage 2000?

Actually, when India floated a tender of MMRCA tender, they wanted something like Mirage 2000 . When India made Tejas, India wanted to build something like Mirage 2000 and they build in many qualities of Mirage 2000 in Tejas. However, Tejas, because of its small size and comparatively low powered engine could not become a MMRCA like Mirage 2000 and Indian air force wanted something bigger and better. HAL and DRDO offered Tejas Mk2 with higher thrust engine and bigger in size Tejas Mk2. After many speculations in published articles and contradictory reports surfaced, Tejas Mk2’s design was finally revealed before Aero India 2019. It is a highly impressive design meeting almost all requirements of Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

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Design and Specification:

Tejas Mk2 also known as Medium Weight Fighter (MWF) looks very much similar to Tejas Mk1. However the main differences are prolonged fuselage. The overall length of Tejas Mk2 is 14.7 meter from increased from 13.2 meter in Tejas Mk1. While studying the aerodynamics and its constrains in Tejas Mk1, it was observed that it was unable to comply to Area ruling because of short length. So it was decided to take care of this concern of Tejas Mk1 by increasing the length. Other aerodynamic issues such as elevating canopy, redesigning pylon, putting short range missile on wing tip etc is freezed in Mk2 design. All this will reduce aerodynamic drag and will improve transonic acceleration by a very good margin and highest speed in excess of mach 1.8.

The constrains of limited seven hand points in Mk1 is addressed very satisfactorily by providing 11 hand points . The payload of 3.9 tons is increased to 6.5 tons. All concerns of Mk1 are not only addressed but user Indian air force's expectations are surpassed.

Another noticeable change is addition of canards for handling at low speed and short take off etc. In my opinion, these changes are made so that designers may not have to work very hard on naval LCA Mk2 and Air force MWF may relatively easily be converted into naval Tejas Mk2.

Another big issue which is addressed is increasing fuel capacity from 2.5 tons to 3.3 ton which will give it a big boost in ferry range and combat radios. Supersonic fuel tanks are also developed. It offers a big fuel capacity with minimum addition of drag. This will further add to range and mission capability to carry out operation in large geographical area.

The another most important change will be the replacement of current GE 404 engine with higher power GE 414 IN6 engine. Tejas Mk2 will have GE 414 IN6 engine with some 60 KN + dry and 98 KN wet thrust engine which will give Tejas Mk2 and ability to carry more load and faster speed. It will be a fully home grown plane with American engine which may be replaced by K10 in future.

Tejas Mk2 is not a stealth but it is designed for very Low RCS. Its “Y” duct intake conceals engine totally. There has been a lots of simulation to put canard on right place. External body in now more than 90% made of composite material giving it low weight low RCS and low weight. RAM paint developed for AMCA shall find its application in TEJAS Mk2 to further add to its stealth character.

After building huge inventory of heavy category fighter like SU 30 MKI and developing light weight Tejas MK1, Entire focus of India is now centered on acquiring medium weight fighter like Rafale or other MMRCA. Tejas Mk2 is a surprising sweet option which has emerged for Indian air force.

Radar, Infrared track and search system and electronic warfare:

This area is also got a big boost. New Uttam AESA radar will have much higher range than current MMR and it will virtually be Jam proof. It will replace Israeli ELTA 2052 radar in Tejas Mk2. BEL has started work on development of Infrared track and search system which will go into Tejas Mk2. This will give Tejas a great capability to see enemy even without putting its AESA radar on to keep its presence secrete. Even stealth planes can be detected without AESA radar being put in active mode with detecting heat signature of plane. An Israeli company is already short listed to co-develop electronic warfare suite. Same suite for Mig 29 is already been developed. Development of EW suite for Tejas Mk2 is unlikely to face any challenge. Missile approach warning system is already been developed which will go into Mk2. Sensor fusion is a gray area and yet much clarification has not come.
Pilot will be able to fire and guide missile at enemy plane by just looking at it.

Weapons:

Tejas Mk2 will come with huge weapon load of 6.5 tons. Designers have already surpassed all expectation of IAF by providing 11 hand points and some of them may be used with multiple hangers carrying two missile of each one. This is a combination of huge payload and huge number of hand point will give this plane an extraordinary flexibility to carry any sort of mission with missiles or bombs and strike a target far away.

During exercise Gagan Shakti, Tejas proved its ability to bomb targets with high Precision. Bombing and its accuracy is already been proved and it is a proven capability of Tejas Mk1 which will go into Tejas Mk2. It has Impressed Indian air force winning lots of admiration from senior IAF officers. India has already developed glide bomb of 100 KM range with which enemy positions can be attacked from far away. India’s own smart area airfield weapon can strike runways from 100 km away and make runways useless. Just BEL has revealed that it has developed various light weight glide bombbs with 154 km range. They have developed light weight cruise missile as well which will be natural contender of LCA MK. 2 weapons.

R 73 and derby missiles are already tested from Tejas Mk1. Python was also tested from Tejas Mk1 but it was found a bit unsuitable. Home grown Astra Mk1 with 80 KM range is already been tested and integrated with Sukhoi 30 MKI in BVR role. This will go into Mk1 as well as Mk2. There are talks with France to integrate Meteor with Tejas. France is ready to do that provided the Radar is Indian and not Israeli. With arrival of desi Uttam AESA radar, the way to integrate Meteor will clear. Meanwhile India has done few successful tests of her indigenous solid fuel duct ramjet engine missile which will have about 130 to 150 KM rage some 30 KM lesser than meteor. If either of the two goes into Tejas Mk2, they will be more than a match for enemies of India for decades to come. Meanwhile Israel has offered I derby, the upgraded version of Debby. India is already using Mica of France on Mirage 2000. So India has a great flexibility and multiple options to integrate missile and other weapons on Tejas Mk2 like no other nation has with options of Russian, Israeli, European, French and Indian weapons.

DRDO developed onboard oxygen generation system will also go in TEJAS MK2 . DRDO has already tested anti-radiation missile with more than 100 KM range so as SAAW. This will give Tejas MK2 an additional punch which its competitors are lacking. Tejas will have enviously high weapon choices not available to any of the plane of its class. It will simply outsmart any other plane in the area of weapons.

BVR and WVR engagements:

Tejas with more powerful engine, improved aerodynamic will be much faster though not as fast as Russian planes like Sukhoi 30, Sukhoi 57 and Mig 29 but will outmatch most and its competitors and match F 16 in speed. With low wing loading and higher thrust to weight ratio, Tejas Mk2 will be a great dog fighter which will outmatch all its competitors including F 16 but not Chinese Sukhoi 30s and Sukhoi 35s. However, here is a point here. Tejas with a very small frontal RCS of 0.1 Sq m to 0.2 Sq. meter and top class AESAS radar will see them first and will shoot them with either Meteor, SFDR, Atsra or derby which are very long range missiles.

Against its Chinese counterparts like J1p, JF 17 block 3 or F16, Tejas Mk2 will be more than a match. With very low Frontal RCS and powerful Radar like either ELTA 2052 or Uttam, it will be able to see these planes more than 100 KM away which shall be atleast 30 KH higher than those planes can see Tejas Mk2 even with AESA radar . Tejas Mk2 will lock and shoot J 10, Jf 17 or F 16 from a distance of more than 120 KM either with METERO or India’s own Solid fuel duct ramjet missile with ultra-long range. With state of art infrared track search system, Tejas Mk2 will be able to track even so called 5th generation Chinese J20 even without using its AESA radars.

In within visible range face off, Tejas Mk2 will easily be able to defeat F 16 with its low T/W ratio, Low wing loading and Canard combo which will give it a great maneuverability. It will have no problem in shooting down F 16 with R 73. Even Mig 21 did it recently. Chinese planes does not count and it is futile to compare both the planes.

Conclusion:

Tejas Mk2 is an upgraded version of Tejas MK1 . All shortcomings of Tejas Mk1 are addresses in Tejas Mk2. It will have a very high ferry range, combat radios and a very decent payload. It is designed for High maneuverability unlike some bomb trucks. Tejas Mk2 can do 9/-3.5 g with high AOA. It will have the option to integrate ultra-long range missiles such as METEOR and home grown SFDR . With AESA and ultra long range missile combo, it will have first shoot capability against virtually all planes except few like F 22, F 35 and will match Gripen, Rafale and EFT. This will be a most suitable plane for most of the missions like air raid, BVR combat, Close combat, Close air support, Ground attack etc. With light weight, better aerodynamic, top class weapon and great ground attack capability, this plane will undoubtedly pack a big punch in a single machine. Though this is a single engine plane, it will have the capability of being MMRCA and it will match and even surpass the capability of some contenders of MMRCA like F 16, Mig 35 and Gripen C/D and will match Gripen E in capability. So this is a desi MMRCA at low cost.

Indian airforce which has a great passion for foreign plane has found a new love for this plane in recent time after Tejas Mk1 got FOC. They are ordering Tejas Mk1 in big numbers who used to refuse to consider an order beyond 40. Now they are planning 123 Tejas Mk1 and planning to induct more than 200 Tejas Mk2. Indian navy is also seriously considering to induct Tejas Mk2 with more powerful engine which we shall discuss some in future. The reason is that the capability offered by Tejas Mk2 is irresistible. Tejas Mk2 is a true multirole fighter which has satisfied and surpassed all expectations of Indian air force’s medium weight fighter plane at a very reasonable cost. It has won the heart and mind of Indian air force and Indian air force is unable to resist the capability it has offered.

This article cannot be reproduced without the acknowledgement to writer Vipul Dave

What a waste of bandwidth, lol, based on mere pipe dreams of MK1 success which is no where in sight. Long story short, let me help you out with the real reason why there is a need for MK2. I don't know why Modi and BC of IAF himself rates Tejas MK1 so low as to hope for Rafael to turn the tables on PAF.

The real need shall come to light After Rafael and another round of one on one with PAF, the Indian PM would cry, "if only we had Teja MK2 (to backup Rafael), result would have been different." And hence the need for Tejas MK2.
 
What a waste of bandwidth, lol, based on mere pipe dreams of MK1 success which is no where in sight. Long story short, let me help you out with the real reason why there is a need for MK2. I don't know why Modi and BC of IAF himself rates Tejas MK1 so low as to hope for Rafael to turn the tables on PAF.

The real need shall come to light After Rafael and another round of one on one with PAF, the Indian PM would cry, "if only we had Teja MK2 (to backup Rafael), result would have been different." And hence the need for Tejas MK2.

Whole world know who has a habit of crying and whining. Tejas Mk1 and Mk2 are just awesome planes unmatched by any Chinese low quality planes to whom Tejas will face. Tejas Mk1+ will shoot them down even before they can see tejas.
 
These junk airframes will never be mainstream. A decade later, not a single tejas is inducted in active squadrons.

Meanwhile, Pakistan's JF-17 is in active service, shot down intruders Mig-21 and SU-30 MKI.
 
Whole world know who has a habit of crying and whining. Tejas Mk1 and Mk2 are just awesome planes unmatched by any Chinese low quality planes to whom Tejas will face. Tejas Mk1+ will shoot them down even before they can see tejas.

For the world to laugh at. You keep believing anything you want. It only increases your misery in real life.
 
These junk airframes will never be mainstream. A decade later, not a single tejas is inducted in active squadrons.


Ohhh is its?
Meanwhile, Pakistan's JF-17 is in active service, shot down intruders Mig-21 and SU-30 MKI.


Ohhh is it?

For the world to laugh at. You keep believing anything you want. It only increases your misery in real life.

We do not build junk like J 15 or J 20 whose designers are sacked and CHina has to rush to russia to buy 4th generation Su 30 and Su 35 even after having 5th generation plane.
 
We do not build junk like J 15 or J 20 whose designers are sacked and CHina has to rush to russia to buy 4th generation Su 30 and Su 35 even after having 5th generation plane.
Why does India have to rush to Russia to buy 4th-generation second-hand Mig-29 even after having bought 4.5th-generation Rafale?

Does it mean Rafale is junk too?
 
Ohhh is its?



Ohhh is it?



We do not build junk like J 15 or J 20 whose designers are sacked and CHina has to rush to russia to buy 4th generation Su 30 and Su 35 even after having 5th generation plane.

Very good. I know we cannot hope to match mighty India. Our junk designs are best we can do. You don't need to tell us and make fun of us when we are so bottom looking up at mighty Indians. Please have some modesty and feel pity for us poor brainwashed Chin*is.

Why does India have to rush to Russia to buy 4th-generation second-hand Mig-29 even after having bought 4.5th-generation Rafale?

No way! That's because you don't understand real situation. India need to give their iron brothers some charity. Mig-29 even if 100 match a single Teja. This is simply just to help out a friend who is having some trouble. Rafale is also just to improve IAF a little but mostly also charity for France. Indians are very rich. Have you not seen all the "white servants" they are showing off in their youtube video?

But really this is actually very sad for them. For their situation and for one Indian patriot losing his mind like this. I know we like to pick fun here on this forum like this but not all Indians are not as pitiful like this guy.
 
Why does India have to rush to Russia to buy 4th-generation second-hand Mig-29 even after having bought 4.5th-generation Rafale?

To replenish squadron strength at a cheap rate. It is a stop gap measure till Rafales and Tejas Mk2 arrives.
 
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