Why Southeast Asia Should Welcome AUKUS Australia models independence in standing up to China.

[Beast]

China should immediately ask Vietnam to stop exploiting oil resources in the South China Sea. This is stealing China’s oil.

Vietnam has stopped already. They can't do it without Chinese permission. Btw, that viet is not a vietnamese , just a German passport holder who link to south Vietnam leftover regime.

Singapore doesnt have any territorial in SCS

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Thailand ,Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, East Timor has no issue in SCS. Why shall they be happy about AUKUS?

Maybe @Viet never study geography and think these countries are south Asia.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Only self created retards claim other countries and territories as natural born heritages. Don’t mix up action and reaction.
If not arrogance and aggression then the region is still a peaceful place.
Smaller countries need either to unite themselves or seek external powers. A natural thing.

But in case of Vietnam and Japan both forgot what those External power did to them and their population.
Japan's case is even more peculiar, China had not done anything wrong to Japan and Japanese people.
Japanese on the other hand occupied China with absolute brutality. While the American's used Nuclear bombs on them.
But strangely they are with their persecutors against those who they themselves persecuted.
It means that Japanese were the aggressors and wrong at the time as they are now. While licking the boots of their masters USA , which had tried to obliterated their population by use of Nuclear bombs.

Same goes for Vietnam on smaller scale, but the dynamics are still the same.
What it is!! Stockholm syndrome!!

 

[Leishangthem]

Singapore doesnt have any territorial in SCS

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You are lying. No land border dispute between Vietnam and China. All have been settled.

The only dispute is about sea border.

you are seriously debating with an troll lvl Indian,their indescribable minds deserve to be showcased in the museum.

The internet is pooped all over by these low-class lie from Indian disinformation propaganda. CIA media is at least more tactful and might even have some class pertaining to the extend of lie they spew.Indian propaganda has no class,none with braincell ought take it seruously.

 

[AViet]

REALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!
You must be dreaming happy dreams in Xi's empire





South China Sea: Vietnam warship hits back at Beijing aggression with ‘combat drills’
VIETNAM has retaliated to Beijing's aggressive claims to the South China Sea, carrying out combat drills" in response to fishing "militias" encroaching on Hanoi's claims to the disputed waters.
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China had sent a fleet of fishing vessels with militia aboard to the Spratly Islands earlier this month, despite the Philippines and Vietnam claiming they have control over the territory. In response, Hanoi sent a warship near the disputed island, while the Philippines sent reconnaissance aircraft to observe China’s fishing fleet.
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Vietnam deployed the Quang Trung, an anti-submarine frigate, as well as its on-board helicopter to carry out military drills in view of China’s fishing vessels.
A spokesperson from Hanoi’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs blasted the incursion, and stated the “activities of Chinese ships … seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty”.
The spokesperson also claimed China’s actions violated the United Nations Convention for the Law of the Sea.
One of Vietnam’s coast guard ships is moored at Whitsun Reef, and is observing the near 220 Chinese “militia” boats active in the region.
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South China Sea news: Vietnam has sent a warship to disputed regions to challenge Beijing (Image: PA)

South China Sea news: The Quang Trung was sent to the Spratly Islands after around 220 Chinese vessels were spotted in the area (Image: PA)
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Hanoi’s national broadcaster Vietnam Television also reported last week that “on the Spratly Islands, combat preparations are at the highest levels.”
It follows Chinese vessels gathering in Ba Dau (Whitsun) reef within Vietnam's Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands.
The Philippines first urged China to recall its militia boats from around the disputed islands in March.
Coast guards from Manila also said around 220 vessels were moored at the Whitsun Reef, which Manila calls the Julian Felipe Reef, on March 7.

South China Sea news: Hanoi’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the militia boats ‘seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty’ (Image: GETTY)

South China Sea news: The Philippines have also told Beijing the militia boats violate their sovereignty (Image: EXPRESS)
Philippines Defence Minister Delfin Lorenzana demanded at the time China recall the militia boats as it violated Manila’s sovereignty.
He said: “We call on the Chinese to stop this incursion and immediately recall these boats violating our maritime rights and encroaching into our sovereign territory.”
The Philippines' task force in the disputed region also expressed "deep concern over the continuing unlawful presence (swarming) of the Chinese maritime militia" at the start of April.
In a statement, they said: "Neither the Philippines nor the international community will ever accept China's assertion of its so-called ‘indisputable integrated sovereignty’ over almost all of the South China Sea."
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Typical Indian reply with Indian IQ. I do not expect anything better from Indian forumers here.

You mentioned land border dispute in your first post and I replied that there is no land border issue between Vietnam and China. And you refuted my post by giving example of sea border issues.

Anyway, to be in the same camp with low IQ Indian and American is not in my dream.

Blacks and Indian have a lot in common. One is you can never discuss anything in a civilized manner with them, because you never know what their points are (and they may not know as well). If you talk about A and you win, they will reply B. Sorry mod, I do not mean to be racist, just a short observation from a lot of experience, not only in this forum but also in real life.

 

[hualushui]

REALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!
You must be dreaming happy dreams in Xi's empire





South China Sea: Vietnam warship hits back at Beijing aggression with ‘combat drills’
VIETNAM has retaliated to Beijing's aggressive claims to the South China Sea, carrying out combat drills" in response to fishing "militias" encroaching on Hanoi's claims to the disputed waters.
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China had sent a fleet of fishing vessels with militia aboard to the Spratly Islands earlier this month, despite the Philippines and Vietnam claiming they have control over the territory. In response, Hanoi sent a warship near the disputed island, while the Philippines sent reconnaissance aircraft to observe China’s fishing fleet.
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Vietnam deployed the Quang Trung, an anti-submarine frigate, as well as its on-board helicopter to carry out military drills in view of China’s fishing vessels.
A spokesperson from Hanoi’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs blasted the incursion, and stated the “activities of Chinese ships … seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty”.
The spokesperson also claimed China’s actions violated the United Nations Convention for the Law of the Sea.
One of Vietnam’s coast guard ships is moored at Whitsun Reef, and is observing the near 220 Chinese “militia” boats active in the region.
READ MORE: Joe Biden warned of looming conflict with China

South China Sea news: Vietnam has sent a warship to disputed regions to challenge Beijing (Image: PA)

South China Sea news: The Quang Trung was sent to the Spratly Islands after around 220 Chinese vessels were spotted in the area (Image: PA)
READ MORE

• China's disturbing state-sponsored musical attacked as 'cover-up'

Hanoi’s national broadcaster Vietnam Television also reported last week that “on the Spratly Islands, combat preparations are at the highest levels.”
It follows Chinese vessels gathering in Ba Dau (Whitsun) reef within Vietnam's Truong Sa (Spratly) Islands.
The Philippines first urged China to recall its militia boats from around the disputed islands in March.
Coast guards from Manila also said around 220 vessels were moored at the Whitsun Reef, which Manila calls the Julian Felipe Reef, on March 7.

South China Sea news: Hanoi’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the militia boats ‘seriously violate Vietnam’s sovereignty’ (Image: GETTY)

South China Sea news: The Philippines have also told Beijing the militia boats violate their sovereignty (Image: EXPRESS)
Philippines Defence Minister Delfin Lorenzana demanded at the time China recall the militia boats as it violated Manila’s sovereignty.
He said: “We call on the Chinese to stop this incursion and immediately recall these boats violating our maritime rights and encroaching into our sovereign territory.”
The Philippines' task force in the disputed region also expressed "deep concern over the continuing unlawful presence (swarming) of the Chinese maritime militia" at the start of April.
In a statement, they said: "Neither the Philippines nor the international community will ever accept China's assertion of its so-called ‘indisputable integrated sovereignty’ over almost all of the South China Sea."
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[Turingsage]

You mentioned land border dispute in your first post and I replied that there is no land border issue between Vietnam and China. And you refuted my post by giving example of sea border issues.

Are Islands in the disputed sea not land ??
Or do you consider Islands as a sea.

 

[cocomo]

You cannot buy security from outside. Regional issues should be fixed from within instead of inviting outside vultures who will most definitely push for disaster so they can feed on it.

 

[Viet]

It's a violation of NPT (which Australia is a party) for at least 2 reasons (perhaps even more) :
1. The sub reactor uses HEU which is weapons grade level instead of LEU.q
2. The submarine itself is a war machine, it is a weapon.. it may not be a "nuclear weapon", but it definitely should fall in the category of "nuclear armament".

Nonsense
Nuclear fuel for submarines is 235-uranium 50 pct enriched which is lower than at least 90 pct for weapons.
It’s impossible to build nuclear bombs with such low grade.

Vietnam has stopped already. They can't do it without Chinese permission. Btw, that viet is not a vietnamese , just a German passport holder who link to south Vietnam leftover regime.

Thailand ,Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, East Timor has no issue in SCS. Why shall they be happy about AUKUS?

Maybe @Viet never study geography and think these countries are south Asia.

Drilling in our waters not possible without chinese permission?
That proves again you are arrogant and aggressive.

 

[Viet]

You cannot buy security from outside. Regional issues should be fixed from within instead of inviting outside vultures who will most definitely push for disaster so they can feed on it.

If a hooligan with a big knife knocking your door and threatens your kids. What would you do, pick your choice:
- call the police
- take a bigger knife
- hope on rescue from heaven
- read a book about how to keep outside powers from the “dispute”

 

[Whizzack]

Nonsense
Nuclear fuel for submarines is 235-uranium 50 pct enriched which is lower than at least 90 pct for weapons.
It’s impossible to build nuclear bombs with such low grade.

Not for US and UK nuke subs, they use 93.5% HEU... and Australia will be getting those too...
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Currently, US and UK naval reactors are fueled by weapon-grade highly-enriched uranium (HEU) containing 93.5% of the chain-reacting isotope, U-235. (UK reactors are based on US designs and fueled with US HEU.) In 2012, the House Armed Services Committee asked NNPP to look at the possibility of developing LEU fuel for naval reactors. LEU contains less than 20% U-235 and is considered not to be directly weapon useable. The Congressional concern was that non-weapon states interested in acquiring or developing nuclear-powered submarines (Brazil and Iran, for example) could use the US example to justify producing and stockpiling weapon-usable HEU, which would destabilize the non-proliferation regime. France and China already use LEU fuel in their submarines. Russia and India use medium-enriched uranium.

U.S. shift away from HEU-fueled naval nuclear reactors could begin in the 2040s

by Frank N von Hippel If the US is to end its current practice of using weapon-grade highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to fuel its nuclear submarines, then the design of the next generation of US attack submarines needs to preserve the...

fissilematerials.org

 

[redtom]

The United States spends at least $100 billion a year on its nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons have no use in war, only for nuclear exchange. If Australia persists in violating the non-proliferation agreement, it could trigger a nuclear race in southeast Asia. Each country will spend at least tens of billions of dollars a year on completely unusable nuclear weapons, and trust between neighbors will be broken.

Even the United States is considering abandoning its nuclear policy of reciprocal destruction and adopting China's no-nukes first policy. Nuclear weapons cost too much. What is more interesting is that even if south-east Asian countries were to seek nuclear weapons, they would be armed only with a few and weak fission bombs. At the same time, the miniaturization of nuclear weapons, delivery capability of nuclear weapons, early warning of nuclear weapons, and strategic watchkeeping of nuclear weapons should be addressed. Even if they had nuclear weapons, they would not be able to compete with the real nuclear powers and would be pre-empted for nuclear weapons. On one side are bombs weighing several tons with an explosive yield of tens of thousands of tons of TNT, and on the other side are bombs weighing several hundred kilograms with an explosive yield of hundreds of thousands of tons of TNT. On one side are single-warhead missiles that need to be refueled a day in advance, have a range of hundreds to more than 1,000 kilometers, have a fixed trajectory, have no safe launch site, are easy to intercept at all times, have poor accuracy, rely on foreign GPS guidance, and have a high failure rate. On the other side are intercontinental missiles with multiple warheads that can be changed from one orbit to the next, with an accuracy of only a few tens of meters.

Countries that lack effective early warning and secondary nuclear counterattack capability are more inclined to preemption, and the situation among southeast Asian countries will be highly tense. Because if they can successfully deliver a nuclear bomb they can win, and they won't face retaliation.

If nuclear weapons are really the perfect weapon, why do most countries support nuclear non-proliferation? Why is India not a permanent member of UN security council when it already has nuclear weapons?

 

[Viet]

Not for US and UK nuke subs, they use 93.5% HEU... and Australia will be getting those too...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently, US and UK naval reactors are fueled by weapon-grade highly-enriched uranium (HEU) containing 93.5% of the chain-reacting isotope, U-235. (UK reactors are based on US designs and fueled with US HEU.) In 2012, the House Armed Services Committee asked NNPP to look at the possibility of developing LEU fuel for naval reactors. LEU contains less than 20% U-235 and is considered not to be directly weapon useable. The Congressional concern was that non-weapon states interested in acquiring or developing nuclear-powered submarines (Brazil and Iran, for example) could use the US example to justify producing and stockpiling weapon-usable HEU, which would destabilize the non-proliferation regime. France and China already use LEU fuel in their submarines. Russia and India use medium-enriched uranium.

U.S. shift away from HEU-fueled naval nuclear reactors could begin in the 2040s

by Frank N von Hippel If the US is to end its current practice of using weapon-grade highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to fuel its nuclear submarines, then the design of the next generation of US attack submarines needs to preserve the...

fissilematerials.org

If they use weapons grade uranium for the subs then be it. I mean who cares?

 

[MH.Yang]

China is an expansionist power that wants to salami slice the world


China has border dispute ls with 18 countries; Here’s the list
China has border disputes with as many as 18 countries that surround China from all sides.
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BANGKOK- From India to Japan to The Philippines to Vietnam, China has on several occasions been the subject of criticism by the international community over its ‘ overly expansionist policies’.

Here are the 18 countries that have been troubled by the Dragon’s aggressive expansionist policies:

1. Japan – Parts of South China Sea particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands are claimed by Japan and both countries are over a long time tussle with this boundary issue
2. Vietnam – Chinese claim large parts of Vietnam on historical precedent (Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644). Also, Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands.
3. India – China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory that goes by the name Aksai Chin. It also claims Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh. These led to the recent clashes between the PLA and the Indian Army.
4. Nepal – China claims parts of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese War in 1788-1792. China claims they are part of Tibet, and hecne a part of China.
5. North Korea – Baekdu Mountain and Jiandao. China has also on occasion claimed all of North Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
6. The Philippines – Parts of the South China Sea are contested between the China and Phillippines. The Philippines took this to the International Court of Justice, where they won the case but the Chinese did not abide by the order of the ICJ.
7. Russia – 160,000 square kms is still unilaterally claimed by China, despite China signing several agreements to pacify the disputed area.
8. Singapore – Parts of the South China Sea are contested by both countries.
9. South Korea – Parts of the East China Sea. China has also on occasion claimed all of South Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
10. Bhutan – Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip Gompa, Dho, Dungmar, Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar, Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Also Kula Kangri and mountainous areas to the west of this peak and the western Haa District of Bhutan is claimed by China.
11. Taiwan – China claims all of Taiwan, but particularly Macclesfi eld Bank, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also called Xisha Islands in Vietnamese, is a group of islands in the South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed among China, Taiwan and Vietnam disputes the land with Burma.
12. Laos – China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent again(China’s Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
13. Brunei – Spratly Islands.
14. Tajikistan – China claims this based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty, 1644-1912).
15. Cambodia – China has, on several occasions, claimed parts of Cambodia on historical grounds(China’s Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644).
16. Indonesia – Parts of the South China Sea.
17. Malaysia – Parts of the South China Sea, particularly Spratly Islands.
18. Mongolia – Chinese claim all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368). Interestingly, Mongolia, under Genghis Khan, occupied China.

Given that the Sino-Indian territorial dispute has been festering since the late 1950s, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the current lack of clarity amongst our policy and decision makers is rooted in incomprehension of the long-term strategic objectives that underpin China’s belligerent manner.
Asiannews



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Seeing such a stupid reply, I knew it was from India.

China only has disputed territory with India, and China and all other neighboring countries have no disputed territory.
China and South China Sea countries have disputed territorial waters, but only five countries. Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia.
Among these five countries, China is not very friendly to Vietnam. The other four countries are friendly with China. The South China Sea actually is Vietnam unfriendly to all other countries.

 

[Whizzack]

If they use weapons grade uranium for the subs then be it. I mean who cares?

I was just correcting your statement that they were only using 50% enriched uranium which is untrue for the anglo nuke subs... also Australia is a party and strong supporter of NPT.. at least was.. Them acquiring nuke subs running with weapons grade HEU is a violation of NPT and makes Australia looks like hypocrite... this also weakens the overall NPT regime as it seems that some "privileged" members can easily flaunt the rules where others may be severely punished for such violations... Other interested states can use this Australian example as a precedent to demand the same treatment... So yeah.. a lot of people does care..

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Are some of the Vietnamese in here retards?

The Vietnamese leadership quickly mended their ties with China and now Russia after the damages by US VP Kamala. Vietnam leadership knew how vulnerable they are?

Meanwhile Indonesia and Malaysia openly voiced their displeasure with Singapore objecting to the idea.

USA, UK and Australia is stressing their delicate relationship with ASEAN with the formation of AUKUS.

IMO AUKUS won't last.

Neither will the SSN deal which will faded away like its predecessor SEATO.

The worst ordeal for all these nations is China is in fact the one decoupling from them and not the other way.
EU has already voiced their concern.