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In this handout image provided by the Australian Defence Force, Royal Australian Navy submarine HMAS Rankin is seen during a biennial maritime exercise between the Royal Australian Navy and the Indian Navy in Darwin, Australia, on Sept. 5. POIS YURI RAMSEY/AUSTRALIAN DEFENCE FORCE VIA GETTY IMAGES
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Decades ago, in 1976, then-Indonesian Foreign Minister Adam Malik compared Australia to an appendix in Southeast Asia’s abdominal cavity: It only matters when it hurts. In other words, as the renowned Indonesian analyst Harry Tjan Silalahi interpreted it, “you only become aware of its existence when it causes pain.”

On Sept. 16, that appendix was apparently inflamed. The creation of a non-treaty partnership between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States, popularly known as AUKUS, affirmed Canberra’s ties to London and Washington, its “great and powerful friends,” as Australia’s longest-serving prime minister, Robert Menzies, once described them. AUKUS’ first initiative of many is to equip Australia with at least eight nuclear-powered submarines.

Washington has never shared its closely guarded, top-secret nuclear submarine technology—purportedly the world’s most advanced—with any country other than Britain.

AUKUS has been widely interpreted as another U.S. effort to deter China. But in the region where Sino-American rivalry exerts the most influence—Southeast Asia—and particularly among the 10 member states of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), the reception to the news has been surprisingly mild.

ASEAN governments are, at worst, cautious of AUKUS, but none is obviously hostile to it. So far the strongest critiques of the partnership have come from Malaysia and Indonesia. Malaysia’s prime ministerial statementseemed to initially conflate nuclear weapons with nuclear submarine propulsion, alleging AUKUS to “be a catalyst toward a nuclear arms race” that could “provoke other powers to act more aggressively.” Indonesia, which proudly flaunts its nonaligned foreign policy, was muted in its response: A statement from its Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Jakarta merely “observes with caution” Australia’s submarine acquisition and made no mention of AUKUS itself. Meanwhile, other regional countries, like Thailand and Brunei, have yet to react publicly. Some, like Singapore, have seemingly given AUKUS their tacit endorsement. The Philippines explicitly endorsed AUKUS as keeping “the balance” in the region in light of Beijing’s “challenge to the status quo.”


Such tepid responses are especially noticeable because past U.S.-backed initiatives designed to deter China incited hawkish reactions from some ASEAN countries. Then-Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa feared that the Obama administration’s 2011 pivot to Asia(later renamed “rebalance”) could “provoke a reaction and counter-reaction” and “vicious circle of tensions and mistrust or distrust.” Singapore and Malaysia registered similar concerns. In contrast, regional reception to AUKUS is more nuanced. While the Indonesian foreign ministry’s statement says that “Indonesia is deeply concerned over the continuing arms race and power projection in the region,” this concern is addressed not specifically to AUKUS members but to all countries, including China. Even Marty, now in his retirement, questions whether AUKUS is merely “old wine in [a] new bottle.”

This changing posture must be viewed against the backdrop of China’s increasingly aggressive activity in the South China Sea, which has dramatically changed public opinion in the region. According to a 2021 survey by Singapore’s ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute, 62.4 percent of ASEAN respondents “are concerned about China’s militarisation and assertive actions” in the South China Sea. While most (72.3 percent) are worried about China’s role as the region’s undisputed economic giant, a greater majority (88.6 percent) believe that China’s growing political and strategic influence is cause for concern, too. Not surprisingly, a majority (61.5 percent) of respondents would align with the United States over China if forced to choose.

ASEAN’s reception of AUKUS might parallel its response to the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, or “Quad”—an informal security framework between Japan, the United States, Australia, and India. According to a 2018 survey conducted by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, only 10 percent of ASEAN respondents oppose the Quad. In fact, a 57 percent majority regards the Quad as “having a useful role” in the Indo-Pacific region. A plurality (40.3 percent) of respondents to the ISEAS survey desire more clarity in ASEAN’s own Indo-Pacific concept, the ASEAN Outlook on the Indo-Pacific (AOIP), and 53.8 percent would like to see ASEAN do more in the face of mounting U.S. and Chinese pressure.

The problem is that the AOIP remains mainly a normative construct that has little, if any, clout with China. The AOIP even falls short of denouncing China’s actions to pursue maritime claims that are inconsistent with the 1982 U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea. Nor does the AOIP specifically press home an “effective, substantive and legally binding Code of Conduct in the South China Sea,” as the European Union did in its recently released Indo-Pacific strategy.

The Quad and AUKUS, by contrast, are strategic responses to China’s rise. All of these groups’ member countries share a similar anxiety about Beijing, and it is only expected that they would respond in a coalitional manner. Arguably, the strategic elements of the Quad and AUKUS represent exactly what some ASEAN countries need to augment their diplomatic leverage over China as the region becomes more vulnerable to its influence.

Instead of counting the costs of opposition to Beijing, ASEAN leaders should ponder their affordability.

AUKUS is where Australia, the appendix, may prove its worth to the region. Though it is Australia’s largest trade partner, Beijing has nonetheless punished Canberra for the latter’s inquiries over the origins of the COVID-19 outbreak, among other grievances. Australia lost a chunk of its export market as a result, though the loss has not been irrecoverable: Australia has found a way to continue trading with alternative partners.

Viewed in one way, AUKUS is a testament to both Australia’s independence and its leverage. By reinforcing its alliances with Britain and the United States, Australia is showing defiance of—and thus preserving its independence from—China and its wrath. Neither recoiling nor cowering from Beijing’s economic and diplomatic coercion, Canberra persists to defy Beijing’s “wolf warrior” tactics. Of course, one may interpret the glass to be half-empty: that AUKUS merely solidifies Australia’s dependence on alliances. But the fact remains—a domestically contested one—that alliance with the United States and solidarity with Britain are what most Australians aspire to and choose. Importantly, Australians are not forced to opt so.

And with this choice comes the perks: Australia managed to enlist British and U.S. support for its submarine acquisition plan. Canberra wielded enough leverage to secure the Anglo-American commitment to provide a capability that no other nonnuclear power has ever possessed. Nuclear-powered submarines will provide Australia with the capability to extend its maritime striking distance to where China’s naval forces would likely be concentrated during hostilities: the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait. A less aggressive, but no less important, role would be a longersubmerged duration for naval intelligence and espionage purposes.
Still, Australia’s exercise of its independence and leverage entails significant costs, both economic and diplomatic. Dogged by lengthy delays and cost overruns, Australia’s 2016 submarine deal with France became the casualty of the leverage Canberra exploited to spawn AUKUS. France berated Canberra for a “breach of trust.” On balance, however, Canberra must have realized that such costs, though hefty, are affordable or even redeemable in the long run.


Australia’s experience can offer lessons for ASEAN countries. Instead of counting the costs of opposition to Beijing, ASEAN leaders should ponder their affordability. ASEAN countries need to reflect on how much independence they have lost or are losing while deflating opposition to Beijing’s coercivediplomacy. Rather than fearing China’s counteroffensive, ASEAN should formulate an Indo-Pacific strategy that recognizes AUKUS, the Quad, and other similar arrangements as leverage over China’s growing military and economic power.


It is increasingly difficult to find pan-regional consensus on the Sino-American rivalry, and there is a fear that ASEAN’s unity and centrality will erode if it responds. No present ASEAN leaders can afford to face the cost of a fractured bloc. But paradoxically, Beijing also draws much of its strength from this regional splintering, which inhibits unified regional action. The challenge, then, is how ASEAN leaders can reconcile this paradox and lend their bloc the strategic relevance its people desire.

Ristian Atriandi Supriyanto is an Indonesian Ph.D. scholar with the Strategic & Defence Studies Centre at the Australian National University in Canberra. He is the co-editor of Naval Modernisation in Southeast Asia: Problems and Prospects for Small and Medium Navies. His writings have appeared in the Diplomat, the Australian, the Jakarta Post, East Asia Forum, the Strait Times, Janes Navy International, and Defense News, among others.

 
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Only self-hating degenerates would welcome the wannabe overlords from west to ran amock in their backyard.
Only self created retards claim other countries and territories as natural born heritages. Don’t mix up action and reaction.
If not arrogance and aggression then the region is still a peaceful place.
Smaller countries need either to unite themselves or seek external powers. A natural thing.
 
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Giving Australia nuclear submarine is violation of the non-nuclear treaties which only has activated arms-race in the region
Nonsense
Australia violates nothing when having nuclear submarines.
She just says doesn’t have intention to have or develop nuclear weapons.
Same for other countries that signed up to non nuclear weapons ban.
That does not give any nuclear weapon countries the legitimacy to come to intimidate non nuclear weapon countries.
 
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Nonsense
Australia violates nothing when having nuclear submarines.
She just says doesn’t have intention to have or develop nuclear weapons.
Same for other countries that signed up to non nuclear weapons ban.
That does not give any nuclear weapon countries the legitimacy to come to intimidate non nuclear weapon countries.

It violates the non-nuclear treaty signed between all these countries Australia deploying nuclear submarines is a clear violation of the treaty
 
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It's a violation of NPT (which Australia is a party) for at least 2 reasons (perhaps even more) :
1. The sub reactor uses HEU which is weapons grade level instead of LEU.q
2. The submarine itself is a war machine, it is a weapon.. it may not be a "nuclear weapon", but it definitely should fall in the category of "nuclear armament".
 
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but it definitely should fall in the category of "nuclear armament".
Because you say so. France was offering nuclear "POWERED" subs to Australia and Australia insisted they be converted to diesel. Hence the cost escalation for the conversion. Every commercial nuclear reactor used for civilian electricity production produces a thousand times more materials for nuclear weapons then the tiny nuclear reactor in a sub.
 
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China should immediately ask Vietnam to stop exploiting oil resources in the South China Sea. This is stealing China’s oil.
 
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China is an expansionist power that wants to salami slice the world


China has border dispute ls with 18 countries; Here’s the list
China has border disputes with as many as 18 countries that surround China from all sides.
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June 30, 2020

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BANGKOK- From India to Japan to The Philippines to Vietnam, China has on several occasions been the subject of criticism by the international community over its ‘ overly expansionist policies’.

Here are the 18 countries that have been troubled by the Dragon’s aggressive expansionist policies:
  1. Japan – Parts of South China Sea particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands are claimed by Japan and both countries are over a long time tussle with this boundary issue
  2. Vietnam – Chinese claim large parts of Vietnam on historical precedent (Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644). Also, Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands.
  3. India – China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory that goes by the name Aksai Chin. It also claims Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh. These led to the recent clashes between the PLA and the Indian Army.
  4. Nepal – China claims parts of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese War in 1788-1792. China claims they are part of Tibet, and hecne a part of China.
  5. North Korea – Baekdu Mountain and Jiandao. China has also on occasion claimed all of North Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  6. The Philippines – Parts of the South China Sea are contested between the China and Phillippines. The Philippines took this to the International Court of Justice, where they won the case but the Chinese did not abide by the order of the ICJ.
  7. Russia – 160,000 square kms is still unilaterally claimed by China, despite China signing several agreements to pacify the disputed area.
  8. Singapore – Parts of the South China Sea are contested by both countries.
  9. South Korea – Parts of the East China Sea. China has also on occasion claimed all of South Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  10. Bhutan – Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip Gompa, Dho, Dungmar, Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar, Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Also Kula Kangri and mountainous areas to the west of this peak and the western Haa District of Bhutan is claimed by China.
  11. Taiwan – China claims all of Taiwan, but particularly Macclesfi eld Bank, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also called Xisha Islands in Vietnamese, is a group of islands in the South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed among China, Taiwan and Vietnam disputes the land with Burma.
  12. Laos – China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent again(China’s Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  13. Brunei – Spratly Islands.
  14. Tajikistan – China claims this based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty, 1644-1912).
  15. Cambodia – China has, on several occasions, claimed parts of Cambodia on historical grounds(China’s Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644).
  16. Indonesia – Parts of the South China Sea.
  17. Malaysia – Parts of the South China Sea, particularly Spratly Islands.
  18. Mongolia – Chinese claim all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368). Interestingly, Mongolia, under Genghis Khan, occupied China.
Given that the Sino-Indian territorial dispute has been festering since the late 1950s, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the current lack of clarity amongst our policy and decision makers is rooted in incomprehension of the long-term strategic objectives that underpin China’s belligerent manner.
Asiannews



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China has border disputes with as many as 18 countries that surround China from all sides.
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BANGKOK- From India to Japan to The Philippines to Vietnam, China has on several occasions been the subject of criticism by the international community over its ‘ overly expansionist policies’.

Here are the 18 countries that have been troubled by the Dragon’s aggressive expansionist policies:
  1. Japan – Parts of South China Sea particularly Senkaku Islands, Ryukyu Islands are claimed by Japan and both countries are over a long time tussle with this boundary issue
  2. Vietnam – Chinese claim large parts of Vietnam on historical precedent (Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644). Also, Macclesfield Bank, Paracel Islands, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands.
  3. India – China occupies 38,000 sq km Indian territory that goes by the name Aksai Chin. It also claims Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh. These led to the recent clashes between the PLA and the Indian Army.
  4. Nepal – China claims parts of Nepal dating back to the Sino-Nepalese War in 1788-1792. China claims they are part of Tibet, and hecne a part of China.
  5. North Korea – Baekdu Mountain and Jiandao. China has also on occasion claimed all of North Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  6. The Philippines – Parts of the South China Sea are contested between the China and Phillippines. The Philippines took this to the International Court of Justice, where they won the case but the Chinese did not abide by the order of the ICJ.
  7. Russia – 160,000 square kms is still unilaterally claimed by China, despite China signing several agreements to pacify the disputed area.
  8. Singapore – Parts of the South China Sea are contested by both countries.
  9. South Korea – Parts of the East China Sea. China has also on occasion claimed all of South Korea on historical grounds (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  10. Bhutan – Bhutanese enclaves in Tibet, namely Cherkip Gompa, Dho, Dungmar, Gesur, Gezon, Itse Gompa, Khochar, Nyanri, Ringung, Sanmar, Tarchen and Zuthulphuk. Also Kula Kangri and mountainous areas to the west of this peak and the western Haa District of Bhutan is claimed by China.
  11. Taiwan – China claims all of Taiwan, but particularly Macclesfi eld Bank, Paracel Islands, Scarborough Shoal, parts of the South China Sea and the Spratly Islands. The Paracel Islands, also called Xisha Islands in Vietnamese, is a group of islands in the South China Sea whose sovereignty is disputed among China, Taiwan and Vietnam disputes the land with Burma.
  12. Laos – China claims large areas of Laos on historical precedent again(China’s Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368).
  13. Brunei – Spratly Islands.
  14. Tajikistan – China claims this based on historical precedent (Qing Dynasty, 1644-1912).
  15. Cambodia – China has, on several occasions, claimed parts of Cambodia on historical grounds(China’s Ming Dynasty, 1368-1644).
  16. Indonesia – Parts of the South China Sea.
  17. Malaysia – Parts of the South China Sea, particularly Spratly Islands.
  18. Mongolia – Chinese claim all of Mongolia on historical precedent (Yuan Dynasty, 1271-1368). Interestingly, Mongolia, under Genghis Khan, occupied China.
Given that the Sino-Indian territorial dispute has been festering since the late 1950s, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the current lack of clarity amongst our policy and decision makers is rooted in incomprehension of the long-term strategic objectives that underpin China’s belligerent manner.
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You are lying. No land border dispute between Vietnam and China. All have been settled.

The only dispute is about sea border.
 
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Doubt anything will happen.

The aussies get the subs because they are anglo brothers, the indians and the japs ain't going to get anything, much less Vietnam.

Still, if the aussies arm up in nuclear, it's going to be a huge problem for China regardless.
ASEAN now should use the opportunity to negotiate with China on the 9-dash-line and get it scrapped once and for all.
 
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You are lying. No land border dispute between Vietnam and China. All have been settled.

The only dispute is about sea border.

REALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!
You must be dreaming happy dreams in Xi's empire





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China is an expansionist power that wants to salami slice the world


China has border dispute ls with 18 countries; Here’s the list
China has border disputes with as many as 18 countries that surround China from all sides.

  1. Singapore – Parts of the South China Sea are contested by both countries.

Singapore doesnt have any territorial in SCS

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