Why Pakistan's stragetic planning should shift purely to offensive against India (2025-onwards)

[Chris Logan]

Pakistan has capable tacticians I won't be needed. Enjoy your delusions a full seizure of India is only a small line away from her Army being broken and that will be the end entirely which is a forgone conclusion. As the civilian populations will not rebel against PK in fear of crackdown this is what it truly means sitting on massive peasant population of 700m below poverty line that are pacifists and vegetarians. Indian nature and years of caste systems will do the work easy for PK... certain thing come in full circle and a leopard can't change his skin he will always remain a leopard even if he wanted..

Once your army is breached it is allover if you think these civilians will even dare to throw a stone is highly optimistic once army is eliminated your entire fate hangs on your army.... These large peasant belt your dragging is not a benefit but the opposite

keep thinking these grandiose delusions. fact is, in a man for man conflict, India will most likely win due to sheer man power. Do you really think India wont retaliate with nukes or blockade ports or rivers? facts still stand even before nukes, Pakistan hasn't won a single conventional war with India.

and where do you get your ideas about being peasants from? bro quit living in the 1950s, India is rapidly modernizing its population who will be middle income soon.

 

[Titanium100]

keep thinking these grandiose delusions. fact is, in a man for man conflict, India will most likely win due to sheer man power. Do you really think India wont retaliate with nukes or blockade ports or rivers? facts still stand even before nukes, Pakistan hasn't won a single conventional war with India.

and where do you get your ideas about being peasants from? bro quit living in the 1950s, India is rapidly modernizing its population who will be middle income soon.

They never won conventional war against PK in the western theater even their analysts and experts admit to this that they never won on Pakistani territory conventionally and we are talking half a century ago..

You don't know this people let them with these who know them. Do you even know what dwells in central and south india and what type of creatures? I guess you don't I will excuse your comment as someone whos ignorant in this subject..

To re-fresh your memories... PK took out India's airforce 2 yrs ago.. Everyone is rapidly developing on a worldwide scale

 

[Chris Logan]

I don' think Pakistan's geo-political situation is that grim. If Pakistan manages to get rid of the foreign loans, things are going to get better real quick. Especially with all those new Dams coming online in the next 5 to 10 years, Oil imports should reduce significantly. Do not forget, historically, US politicians and generals never like Indians, they generally do not. If it wasn't for China, the US would dump India in a heartbeat.

loans, national loans take decades to pay back, not 5-10 years and Pakistan had to be bailed out multiple times: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...other-multi-billion-imf-bailout-idUSKCN1SI0IB.

LMFAO, who told you Americans hate India? Im an American, and trust me, Americans love Indians and India, https://paulstaniland.com/2019/10/23/us-public-opinion-toward-india/. I was in the USMC too and I have worked with Generals and they have a generally favorable view of India. I think you are extrapolating Nixons hate for Indians and Indira Ghandi onto America now? times change, quit living in the 1970s. Do some actual research and be realistic.

They never won conventional war against PK in the western theater even their analysts and experts admit to this that they never won on Pakistani territory conventionally and we are talking half a century ago..

You don't know this people let them with these who know them. Do you even know what dwells in central and south india and what type of creatures? I guess you don't I will excuse your comment as someone whos not ignorant in this subject..

To re-fresh your memories... PK took out India's airforce 2 yrs ago.. Everyone is rapidly developing

Pakistan took one Indian POW and decides to parade him like they won the war, let me remind you , Pakistan has NEVER won any conventional protracted war with India. and lets not forget this:

Im pretty sure 90k POWS and half your country in 1971 outweighs, one single Indian POW.

They never won conventional war against PK in the western theater even their analysts and experts admit to this that they never won on Pakistani territory conventionally and we are talking half a century ago..

You don't know this people let them with these who know them. Do you even know what dwells in central and south india and what type of creatures? I guess you don't I will excuse your comment as someone whos ignorant in this subject..

To re-fresh your memories... PK took out India's airforce 2 yrs ago.. Everyone is rapidly developing on a worldwide scale

Bro we took half your country, and By we I mean my father who was a young Mukti Cadre and our Indian Allies.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

LMFAO, who told you Americans hate India? Im an American, and trust me, Americans love Indians and India, https://paulstaniland.com/2019/10/23/us-public-opinion-toward-india/. I was in the USMC too and I have worked with Generals and they have a generally favorable view of India. I think you are extrapolating Nixons hate for Indians and Indira Ghandi onto America now? times change, quit living in the 1970s. Do some actual research and be realistic.

Hard to dislike your sub-servants and slaves... That is the only reason our governments cares but they geninuely look down on them unlike these they fear..

Here they are worshipping Trump

 

[Chris Logan]

Hard to dislike your sub-servants and slaves... That is the only reason our governments cares but they geninuely look down on them unlike these they fear..

What are you talking about?!

 

[Titanium100]

By we I mean my father who was a young Mukti Cadre and our Indian Allies.

I can bring one of your analysts and experts disagree with your claims but I guess I don't wanna gate crush that little fancy for you.. What half? You mean BG gaining indepedance how is that any victory for you BG gaining independance? PK gained territories in gilgat baltistan that is pretty much the only territory that changed hands on the entire western borders and guess who it went to? and who are you by the way? so you are an Indian?

 

[Chris Logan]

Hard to dislike your sub-servants and slaves... That is the only reason our governments cares but they geninuely look down on them unlike these they fear..

Here they are worshipping Trump

so what? If you really think that Americans view Indians like you do, you are delusional.

I can bring one of your analysts and experts disagree with your claims but I guess I don't wanna gate crush that little fancy for you.. What half? You mean BG gaining indepedance? PK gained territories? and who are you by the way? so you are an Indian?

Im an American of Bengali origin. Im talking about Bangladesh, Tell me, what large territories or wars Pakistan has won in the last 70 years?

I can bring one of your analysts and experts disagree with your claims but I guess I don't wanna gate crush that little fancy for you.. What half? You mean BG gaining indepedance how is that any victory for you BG gaining independance? PK gained territories in gilgat baltistan that is pretty much the only territory that changed hands on the entire western borders and guess who it went to? and who are you by the way? so you are an Indian?

ok bring your analysts

 

[Titanium100]

Hard to dislike your sub-servants and slaves... That is the only reason our governments cares but they geninuely look down on them unlike these they fear..

Here they are worshipping Trump

Respect is never begged for or serve someone for but respect is earned by making yourself better and seeing yourself as the king in the house.. Making yourself great and working to realize your own dreams. Lack of ambitions is diease and you gotta see yourself always as the ''It guy'' nothing is above you but everyone is beneath... This is called unapologetic superiority mindset it is healthy but Indians lack it and you can't train that shit bro... It is the centuries long caste system

 

[Genghis khan1]

loans, national loans take decades to pay back, not 5-10 years and Pakistan had to be bailed out multiple times: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...other-multi-billion-imf-bailout-idUSKCN1SI0IB.

LMFAO, who told you Americans hate India? Im an American, and trust me, Americans love Indians and India, https://paulstaniland.com/2019/10/23/us-public-opinion-toward-india/. I was in the USMC too and I have worked with Generals and they have a generally favorable view of India. I think you are extrapolating Nixons hate for Indians and Indira Ghandi onto America now? times change, quit living in the 1970s. Do some actual research and be realistic.

- 5 - 10 years timeline was for dams. Which will free up billions used for oil and gas imports.

- Don’t misconstrued US need of India and Indians to US likeness for Indians. Basic layer of of General American racism (threshold) is based on persons looks, unlike European (national origin) or Arabian (language).

 

[Tornado23]

1971


right now we are kicking every butt which is coming in our way . you got the kick in 1971 and 1998 .

 

[Tornado23]

Isn't Pakistan's military doctrine an offensive defensive doctrine?

We don't need to go on the full offensive. Not yet anyways.

Take kashmir by offense should be the only thing that Pakistan does offensively for the time being (and shelling Indian ports from the sea)

 

[El Sidd]

Isn't Pakistan's military doctrine an offensive defensive doctrine?

We don't need to go on the full offensive. Not yet anyways.

Take kashmir by offense should be the only thing that Pakistan does offensively for the time being (and shelling Indian ports from the sea)

It's more about India being optionless about any Pakistani doctrine.

India cannot afford a stable Pakistan as a stable Pakistan is an existential threat to India.

By the timeline being proposed, Pakistan's move of even most defensive posture will turn out to be a massive aggression for India.

 

[Chris Logan]

- 5 - 10 years timeline was for dams. Which will free up billions used for oil and gas imports.

- Don’t misconstrued US need of India and Indians to US likeness for Indians. Basic layer of of General American racism (threshold) is based on persons looks, unlike European (national origin) or Arabian (language).

the US administration is trying to form another Nato

 

[Genghis khan1]

the US administration is trying to form another Nato

US is strong proponent of Quad, but so far Quad experiment isn’t successful. China economic pull is strong. Australia and Japan gave up. Indian aren’t seems much eager to fight Uncle Sam wars by itself either.

 

[Vapnope]

if situation becomes that bad.. we Indian will come and piss in Indus and will lead to piss flood and submerge half of Pak... we can make you to drink our piss... we don't even needs arm... if you can dream we can also dream.

We have been hearing this since 1947 that you will come and do this and that. I have already quoted several examples which gave India the cusus belli but guess what, Indians bugger out. Imagine having 5 times more defense budget, 2.3 times more soldiers, a 2 trillion dollar economy, half the world by your side and yet a smaller country bombs your military installations in day light and all you can do is let loose people like GD Bakshi and Guarav Arya.

The much touted "We broke your country in half" happened when you guys have 18:1 ratio against Pakistan army i am sure this example will go down in history as a shining example.

The matter of fact is that, despite your clear numerical superiority in men and material, AJK and GB stays with Pakistan while your parliamentarian only sell lollipop to masses.

You guys are so macho that when faced with an adversary of your size, you chose to give up 900 sq km without a fight... So yeah visit Indus if you can otherwise you will end up in unmarked graves at the banks of river Ganga.