Why Pakistan's stragetic planning should shift purely to offensive against India (2025-onwards)

[Titanium100]

Great man. I don't know what weed you are smoking but I guarantee it gives very strong delusions.

Your talents are under utilised on PDF. You should have been made the Prime Minister or President of Pakistan. Or at least the Army Chief. The only barrier standing between Pakistan and Super Power status is your appointment to the top post.

Best of luck. Hope all of your countrymen share your dreams.

Bye.

You are the one in delusions my man and have been drinking that cool-aid that an Hindu mindset can ever be a world dominant factor because it has never been and will never because they are just stragetically jailed behind Pakistan's backyard and won't be able to exit from there or under them..

There is no delusions from any PK over a piece land that they ruled over for 1000 years and they fully know the inhabitants of that specific area. There is nothing special about them at all. Pakistan has potential allies around the globe hence it has stronger case than geographically checkmated India and locked inside the subcontinent. There are no more delusions then that of the Indians supa-powa 2020 yada yada your airforce was taken out in front you.. You have nothing of insignfiant PK can't solve and they have all the tricks to undoing your army and if your army is broken this becomes a mere reality and a certainity... You will be stirring it down like a reality and don't expect your vegetarian civilians to rebel because just the sight of the enemy forces will terrify them a vegeterian is always gonna vegetarian and they dearly love life. They are enslaved to this dunya and the love of life it will always betray them..

True enslavement comes from once love for life and all acts of cowardice is linked to it. Know yourself and your foes and you will not lose in 100 battles this is what the indians don't know because they don't know themselves.. If you didn't love life Pk's ancenstors wouldn't have reigned their for over a millenium..

Once the army of India is broken it is easy to intimidate the Indian civilians into submission immediately and easiest part.. The thought of an angry bearded PK soldier coming down hard on them paralyzes them filling their hearts with terror.. There will be no civilian rebellion I guaraantee you as they will be subdued immediately and in fact they will voluntarily submit themselves.. By God Indians will Indian they will never be able to rebel against mother nature and their own inner selves that is who they are in truth. This much I have no doubt about in my mind

 

[Titanium100]

you are not allowed to use brain in these type of threads... go with flow... say 1 Pakistani > 20 Indians and you will get likes.. learn the art of getting likes...

Tell me if you will be part of invading army... I will serve them Sambar Idly with filter coffee... It cost nothing to dream and you know beggars normally in night stare in to sky and dream that they will reach moon one day..

By current economic conditions of Pak, after couple of years they will not have money to pay the Army salaries... then diwali will start in Pak enjoy you dry dream till then....

Pakistan has capable tacticians I won't be needed. Enjoy your delusions a full seizure of India is only a small line away from her Army being broken and that will be the end entirely which is a forgone conclusion. As the civilian populations will not rebel against PK in fear of crackdown this is what it truly means sitting on massive peasant population of 700m below poverty line that are pacifists and vegetarians. Indian nature and years of caste systems will do the work easy for PK... certain thing come in full circle and a leopard can't change his skin he will always remain a leopard even if he wanted..

Once your army is breached it is allover if you think these civilians will even dare to throw a stone is highly optimistic once army is eliminated your entire fate hangs on your army.... These large peasant belt your dragging is not a benefit but the opposite

 

[Vanamali]

Pakistan has capable tacticians I won't be needed. Enjoy your delusions a full seizure of India is only a small line away from her Army being broken and that will be the end entirely which is a forgone conclusion. As the civilian populations will not rebel against PK in fear of crackdown this is what it truly means sitting on massive peasant population of 700m below poverty line that are pacifists and vegetarians. Indian nature and years of caste systems will do the work easy for PK... certain thing come in full circle and a leopard can't change his skin he will always remain a leopard even if he wanted..

Once your army is breached it is allover if you think these civilians will even dare to throw a stone is highly optimistic once army is eliminated your entire fate hangs on your army.... These large peasant belt your dragging is not a benefit but the opposite

there is a big "Once your army is breached" so dream boss... our reserve force is enough...

Sorry.. i am tempted to troll your stupidity.. let me troll for once

if situation becomes that bad.. we Indian will come and piss in Indus and will lead to piss flood and submerge half of Pak... we can make you to drink our piss... we don't even needs arm... if you can dream we can also dream.

 

[Titanium100]

there is a big "Once your army is breached" so dream boss... our reserve force is enough...

Sorry.. i am tempted to troll your stupidity.. let me troll for once

if situation becomes that bad.. we Indian will come and piss in Indus and will lead to piss flood and submerge half of Pak... we can make you to drink our piss... we don't even needs arm... if you can dream we can also dream.

You saw right in front of your eyes your airforce taken out and pilot captive.. Screaming we have vintage airforce yada yada... Your army is ragtag and far from chellenging.. War is deception just like last time you were decievd.. which lead to your airforce being taken out.... Watch your army go the same way.. If you think PK is not capable of that you are day-dreaming

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

feels a bit not so right coming from a Bangla.. somehow.

Its actually the other way around, if makes full sense for some Banglas to have this mindset

people who are subjected to genocides in recent history become very xenophobic and will swallow race/ethnic supremacy crap as coping mechanism, because they feel their identity is so fragile and needs to be protected at all costs

Operation searchlight have obviously has traumatized these folk and made affected their way of thinking

In this one's case a mixture of Stockholm syndrome to its searchlight overlords coupled fantasies of ethnic Bangla razakar supremacy

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Is this display your stupidity day?

Its more to do with collective Pak diaspora thinking

Most of these people having been living away from Pakistan are stuck in a time wrap of general Pakistani society mindsets at time they left

For example a Pakistani leaving the country in 1960s is going to be stuck in 1960s Pak mindset and will transfer that mindset to his future generations in the foreign nation

These people while physically living in 2021, mentally are living in 1964

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

You saw right in front of your eyes your airforce taken out and pilot captive.. Screaming we have vintage airforce yada yada... Your army is ragtag and far from chellenging.. War is deception just like last time you were decievd.. which lead to your airforce being taken out.... Watch your army go the same way.. If you think PK is not capable of that you are day-dreaming

You hit the nail on that one.. Their memories seems to be fading quickly.. These ragtag army is far from chellenging considering that is the last wall holding them for what is beneath is as soft as an animals belly

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Some naïve points why the advantages to liberate IOK is passing toward Pak:

• Every strategic action has a strategic reaction. The NATO/G7 etc. have gone into a "Cold War" like offensive against the China-Russia axis. Expect some hot offshoots at the "third party" locations. The Himalayas is a potential candidate. Flare-ups might come much sooner than expected. The cat needs to be killed at the first night
• Afganistan is getting wrapped up. Now, it's up to Pak how to leverage it for the potentials there are inexhaustible
• India has already moved 2 (out of 3) of her strike corps from the Pak borders to the LAC for border patrol duties
• The internal cohesion and potential of India are crumbling down with every passing day, especial thanks to Hindutva
• The Middle Class Indians are losing hope as they're spending more and more for their kids' education in foreign countries to settle them up there
• The Turkish defense technologies have clearly shown how to win wars in difficult mountainous terrains of the Northern Irak, Karabag' etc. Pak can leverage that
• Despite every sort of opposition Pak is progressing forward internally by boxing one traitor after another

 

[El Sidd]

Its actually the other way around, if makes full sense for some Banglas to have this mindset

people who are subjected to genocides in recent history become very xenophobic and will swallow race/ethnic supremacy crap as coping mechanism, because they feel their identity is so fragile and needs to be protected at all costs

Operation searchlight have obviously has traumatized these folk and made affected their way of thinking

In this one's case a mixture of Stockholm syndrome to its searchlight overlords coupled fantasies of ethnic Bangla razakar supremacy

Its more to do with collective Pak diaspora thinking

Most of these people having been living away from Pakistan are stuck in a time wrap of general Pakistani society mindsets at time they left

For example a Pakistani leaving the country in 1960s is going to be stuck in 1960s Pak mindset and will transfer that mindset to his future generations in the foreign nation

These people while physically living in 2021, mentally are living in 1964

why get emotional? don't we have a right to dream plan and act freely?

it's a rough decade ahead

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

right now we are kicking every butt which is coming in our way . you got the kick in 1971 and 1998 .

You didn't win a damn thing taking credited for a country that wanted it's separate country along ethnic lines it is called civil war.. Claiming another man's success yours is questionable either way Bangladesh is a proud country wanted none of Pakistan and in any marriage it has to be on both terms if not then it becomes nothing.. plus that was half a century ago... You got your azz handed to you just 2 years ago... Wing commander Abi says hey with his tea

 

[Genghis khan1]

Why the stragetic planning shift in the next 5 years is needed and to make it into purely offensive doctrine against India. The price will be heavy from an Indian miscalculation and a complete seizing of India. I don't mean war in 2025 as per say but the planning from there on and the future has to be purely offensive.. The preparation should be purely offensively geared

1. Numbers are deceptive in India's case and in reality it is just a land of peasants and veggies..

2. Pakistan should break the back of the northern Indian territories and the remaining after that will come without much hassle... They don't have stomach for it... They ain't about this life.. It is fragmented country with over 700m living below poverty line.. Their weakness appears to me like an injured gazelle.. They fool nobody..

3. The approach must be purely offensive and the slogan and mindset has to be completely changed to #AllofIndia hashtag allofIndia..

We coming in hard inside India... All or the highway

Offensive Defence. That's is exactly how Isreal keeps millions of Arabs on their toes. While in reality, that country is indefensible.

I often say, If you are not planing to win, you are essential, planning to lose. This current idea of (PA) finishing limited war at favourable terms is flawed. But Offensive capabilities needs some serious investment. with rampant corruption in society and half of the budget eaten up by loan repayment. I do not think GHQ has any other option other than limited war and hope everything goes as planned.

 

[Chris Logan]

Offensive Defence. That's is exactly how Isreal keeps millions of Arabs on their toes. While in reality, that country is indefensible.

I often say, If you are not planing to win, you are essential, planning to lose. This current idea of (PA) finishing limited war at favourable terms is flawed. But Offensive capabilities needs some serious investment. with rampant corruption in society and half of the budget eaten up by loan repayment. I do not think GHQ has any other option other than limited war and hope everything goes as planned.

great analogy, but I think the whole thread is missing the point in war, nobody wins, there will be bodybags of innocents and many many dead children (I have seen it in Afghanistan, worst feeling in the world is seeing a father crying and begging us to help save his 10 year old son, nobody deliberately targeted the boy, he just stepped on a small IED by accident). Trust me, you dont want this or any war at all, Pakistan is geographically venerable and very very politically isolated.

The best thing for Pakistan and Pakistanis to do is to build strong economic ties with its neighbors and tear down the sponsoring of non state actors, LET is only making Marginal victories that they lose ground to right after. Nationalists are all myopic and non-strategic, any limited war proved by or in part by Pakistan will be met with heavy sanctions and once the US completely withdraws from Afghanistan, its gonna want to punish Pakistan, because the Majority of Americans do not have a favorable opinion of Pakistan. Hopefully Pakistan reforms and becomes an economic superpower alongside the rest of South Asia.

 

[Genghis khan1]

great analogy, but I think the whole thread is missing the point in war, nobody wins, there will be bodybags of innocents and many many dead children (I have seen it in Afghanistan, worst feeling in the world is seeing a father crying and begging us to help save his 10 year old son, nobody deliberately targeted the boy, he just stepped on a small IED by accident). Trust me, you dont want this or any war at all, Pakistan is geographically venerable and very very politically isolated.

ahhh.. -Not- so good ol days. Been there, done that. Protruding bones, skinless bodies, VBIEDs - the smell of burning flash, 2 yr old crying baby. Burning desert, freezing nights, hungry stomach, weeks without a shower, and enemy mortars.

 

[Genghis khan1]

The best thing for Pakistan and Pakistanis to do is to build strong economic ties with its neighbors and tear down the sponsoring of non state actors, LET is only making Marginal victories that they lose ground to right after. Nationalists are all myopic and non-strategic, any limited war proved by or in part by Pakistan will be met with heavy sanctions and once the US completely withdraws from Afghanistan, its gonna want to punish Pakistan, because the Majority of Americans do not have a favorable opinion of Pakistan. Hopefully Pakistan reforms and becomes an economic superpower alongside the rest of South Asia.

I don' think Pakistan's geo-political situation is that grim. If Pakistan manages to get rid of the foreign loans, things are going to get better real quick. Especially with all those new Dams coming online in the next 5 to 10 years, Oil imports should reduce significantly. Do not forget, historically, US politicians and generals never like Indians, they generally do not. If it wasn't for China, the US would dump India in a heartbeat.

 

[Titanium100]

Offensive Defence. That's is exactly how Isreal keeps millions of Arabs on their toes. While in reality, that country is indefensible.

I often say, If you are not planing to win, you are essential, planning to lose. This current idea of (PA) finishing limited war at favourable terms is flawed. But Offensive capabilities needs some serious investment. with rampant corruption in society and half of the budget eaten up by loan repayment. I do not think GHQ has any other option other than limited war and hope everything goes as planned.

You lost me completely at the Israel keeping millions of arabs on their toes via offensive defence? Is that really true? I swear to god Even Assad who has been thru 10 year war and is probably the weakest government in MENA can single handily defeat Israel in a conventional war with an Iranian assistance against the F-35 that is all he needs to take all of Israel.... You will go into what if and yada yada... Thing is if Israel's airforce is removed they really don't have much to shoot with in the conventional sense..

Israel has never been deterence herself not since the Yom Kippur war which they lost by all counts but alot of people base their fallacies on the propaganda 6 day war? Where have you seen a war end in Six days? Hack you can't even properly overrun 100 men locked in their defensive positions in a tiny village in the modern warfare how is 6 days war possible it goes against the human intellect it was due to US threats that it was stopped... Initially Israel has never been deterence herself but NATO? Technically the keeping toes thingy just doesn't fit into this occasion whatsoever.. When you talk about ground realities you have to take everything in account? Israel will de-exist the day NATO can't win a war inside the levant which is about 2-3 decades from now.. NATO won't be able to guaraante a victory in Levent making the temporary Israel project come to an end by default it was never gonna last even they themselves know this it is unfeasible..

The best thing for Pakistan and Pakistanis to do is to build strong economic ties with its neighbors and tear down the sponsoring of non state actors, LET is only making Marginal victories that they lose ground to right after. Nationalists are all myopic and non-strategic, any limited war proved by or in part by Pakistan will be met with heavy sanctions and once the US completely withdraws from Afghanistan, its gonna want to punish Pakistan, because the Majority of Americans do not have a favorable opinion of Pakistan. Hopefully Pakistan reforms and becomes an economic superpower alongside the rest of South Asia.

Pakistan is not in the game of pleasing the US or anyone.. The Americans have known this for almost since the creation of Pakistan and viewed them as a threat ever since it's creation in 1947 unlike India Pakistan was in the business of pleasing herself and has her own agenda and aspirations that is why the Americans never did view Pakistan in favorable light and never will.. Nothing will change it because Pakistan has an independant idea and desires but never was personal and that relationship between them will never change.. Pakistan knows this so there is initially nothing to please and Pakistan will never seek to please because there is nothing to please in someone whos against any foreign independant idea than his own.. They can cooperate in places they share common interests and work together in these lanes.. US is out of Afghanistan and weakend economically due to it and there is nothing they can do here? They are locked in a hegemony war which they will likely lose if they don't get Pakistan on there side they need Pakistan and not the other way around