why Pakistan must send its forces to help Turkey, a strategic prospective.

[StormBreaker]

We are helping as we should. Diplomatically and strategically. I don't know why my fellow countrymen cannot come out of the medieval era and see the era we live in.

Swords and horses

if we help turkey, that will build pressure on Russia, to engage pakistan, rethink its relations with india, cancel S-400 and now that Akula 2 sub deals with it along with Nuclear co-operation and Brahmos agreements with it.
Russian ambassador to India has clearly said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India, it supports the indian stance as it has always been doing since Cold War era!

In SCO Its Russian Head had rejected Pakistan's request to involve and intervene and he refused saying Pakistan and India should not bring in their problem there even though its written in its charter that no country can attack each other and Pakistan did that back in march/april right after operation swift retort of india attacking Pakistan.

Now read this, They have also vetoed the recent resolutions on Kashmir along with 5 others!
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-kashmir-issue-again-at-unsc-indian-analysts/

This Syria of Bashar Al Asad is also on the side of India on Kashmir issue Syrian Ambassador to India has also said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India just like its Russian Master had said! even though its a UN recognized disputed territory. Removing him from Syria will serve our interests well. And will help making consensus on Kashmir issue as well.

As for Russia, it must end its relations with India if it wants to realistically realize its wishful thinking of ruling our Muslim World, as Countries like Pakistan are the ultimate Kings of this side of the World!

Russia meanwhile who is scared of selling us mere AK47s for the sake of its time tested and strategic ally India with whom it has a 30 years old strategic partnership and yr probably thinking that its still a friend of Pakistan, no its not! Vladimir Putin had made it clear that in 2015 that relations with Pakistan will never be at the cost of India and this is what he meant, below is the link of those AK47s, Pakistan was trying to buy them for FC.

https://theprint.in/defence/russia-...s-assures-india-of-no-deals-in-future/264004/

U my friend really need to stop reading RT too much.....Russia is of no use for Pakistan! Pakistan's only friends in this World are two Turkey and China, who stand up with us in our times of need, they are our time tested strategic friends! and if they r in need of something, we must also help them.

Turkey is hosting about 4 million of the Syrian refugees its taking the economical burden of them all by herself! Its in its right to fully intervene in Syrian affair since it directly effects its National security, it doesn't effects Russia's nor is Russia hosting Syrian refugees besides, its part of our own Muslim World, and its own problems is our business not some Christian Russia's.

Meanwhile this is what their media is reporting.......Abt President Erdogan's Kashmir remarks.
https://sputniknews.com/world/20200...-erdogan-over-his-kashmir-remark-in-pakistan/

While clearly India is being pampered by both Israel and America as a counterbalance to China in South Asia and in Indian Ocean, this is what Russian media is telling China. LOL
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-south-asia-not-an-option-for-india-analysts/

Russia must realize that its no longer a Soviet Union, its today a Country with only less then 150 million population, even Bangladesh has more then that what to speak of a powerful Country like Pakistan, who lives in a region and is key to her where 1/6th of the total Earth's population lives, and now specially post crimea crisis its heavily sanctioned country, the only 2 things Pakistan is really interested is its first UNSC vote on Kashmir by respecting the Pakistani stance, 2nd Its energy and Defence. Beyond that it does not offer anything to offer to a country the size of Pakistan who is 5th largest country on this planet Earth!

There is nothing really economical or strategic it can offer be it in SCO, BRICs or whatever. So speaking strictly from Pakistani interests in mind, there is nothing Russia can offer to Pakistan or can it?

So in conclusion, Pakistan must use its military strength for something useful.....And specially use this ''number 1'' intelligence agency and ''battle hardened'' forces as well as ''chup k goli marny wala'' bajwa and his extension for something useful, they cant attack India, nor will they ever, they have clearly done a deal with it.

So why not make their lazy asses useful these days? which r just sitting on their backsides in offices doing nothing, and r already dreaming of creating those 90s shashka again? (u know trying hard for postings in Lahore Cantt/airbases, Rawalpindi Cantt/airbases, Karachi cantt/airbases, Okara Cantt/airbases etc etc ayashi ayashi)

So lets make them useful for the cause of Pakistan by keeping our long term strategic objectives in mind!

Oh look who got banned @Windjammer

 

[vishwambhar]

which is simply NOT HELPING PAKISTAN AT ALL. PAKISTAN'S USEFULNESS FOR WORLD IS THROUGH OUR MILITARY MIGHT, all im saying, use them for the betterment of pakistan, this will put pressure on russia to cut its ties with india which will benefit us!


kakay! this way russia will come running towards pakistan to not send our forces, and we can make them stop S400 deliveries as well as stop them from signing any deal for the sale of Akula 2 submarine and especially change its Kashmir stance and fully align it with Pakistan.. All i'm suggesting is hit Russia where it hurts them so they rethink their south asian policy.

If you believe that your beloved Turkiye is in any position to pressure Russia to cut it's ties with one of its oldest friend India and cancel S400, Akula deals then you are living in fools paradise.....

Yes and most hillerious part is Russia will come running to Pakistan to request it not to send it's forces in Syria and to make Pakistan agree it will totally align itself with Pakistan and ditch India

Who are you? Red Army

 

[Nasr]

Turkey has the rest of NATO to help it. Under the NATO Charter, if any NATO member state is attacked, it is incumbent upon all NATO member states to come to it's aid.

Turkey is playing a very dangerous game in Syria, and Pakistan MUST stay out of any conflict created by Turkey, Saudis, Emiratis, Qataris or Egypt. We have our own enemy, India and we must focus on building a robust economy, corruption free and mafia free. Pakistan must be focused on education and environment.

What the Turks, Saudis or Iranians do is their business. We don't need involve ourselves with vain wars, based on thousand year rivalries between turkic kaghanate, wahhabi-salafi alliance or greater persian empire.

The only time Pakistan should come out all guns blazing is when that Zionist b@$t@rd-child, israel demolishes Masjid Al-Aqsa and Qubrat-ul-Sakhra to build their bogus Temple Mount. That's when Pakistan should launch heavy nuclear salvos and exterminate the Zionist-Piglet, israel.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Turkey has the rest of NATO to help it. Under the NATO Charter, if any NATO member state is attacked, it is incumbent upon all NATO member states to come to it's aid.

Turkey is playing a very dangerous game in Syria, and Pakistan MUST stay out of any conflict created by Turkey, Saudis, Emiratis, Qataris or Egypt. We have our own enemy, India and we must focus on building a robust economy, corruption free and mafia free. Pakistan must be focused on education and environment.

What the Turks, Saudis or Iranians do is their business. We don't need involve ourselves with vain wars, based on thousand year rivalries between turkic kaghanate, wahhabi-salafi alliance or greater persian empire.

The only time Pakistan should come out all guns blazing is when that Zionist b@$t@rd-child, israel demolishes Masjid Al-Aqsa and Qubrat-ul-Sakhra to build their bogus Temple Mount. That's when Pakistan should launch heavy nuclear salvos and exterminate the Zionist-Piglet, israel.

I think this the thing most Pakistanis tend to view the Syrian conflict from a one sided perspective mainly from the Turkish lenses which the lugenpresse Pak media often takes as the truth,that Assad is killing his own people "Sunni genocide" on the lines of that I am not a Assadists but as someone who tries to be sorta realistic he aint going anywhere any time soon, the Syrian people in the last 10 years have prefer his rule than the fanatics from the FSA or whatever ethnic supremacists crap the Kurds in Northern Syria have been doing, if the Syrians in the opposition had balls why all their young men are fleeing to Turkey, or Europe why are they not fighting but complaining on twitter all the time or those fighters that Turkey trained with the US are also incompetent they want power only not to let the Syrians run on their own its not a civil war its dirty proxy war fought by everyone the Syrian regime,Iranians,Russians,Kurds,Fanatics, Americans and Turks why should Pakistanis send their brave armed forces to this dirty proxy conflict just cause "Sultan Erdogan" says so we should strive better enough with siding with imperialistic objectives of the Turks,Iranians and Arabs we are better than this

 

[Nasr]

I think this the thing most Pakistanis tend to view the Syrian conflict from a one sided perspective mainly from the Turkish lenses which the lugenpresse Pak media often takes as the truth,that Assad is killing his own people "Sunni genocide" on the lines of that I am not a Assadists but as someone who tries to be sorta realistic he aint going anywhere any time soon, the Syrian people in the last 10 years have prefer his rule than the fanatics from the FSA or whatever ethnic supremacists crap the Kurds in Northern Syria have been doing, if the Syrians in the opposition had balls why all their young men are fleeing to Turkey, or Europe why are they not fighting but complaining on twitter all the time or those fighters that Turkey trained with the US are also incompetent they want power only not to let the Syrians run on their own its not a civil war its dirty proxy war fought by everyone the Syrian regime,Iranians,Russians,Kurds,Fanatics, Americans and Turks why should Pakistanis send their brave armed forces to this dirty proxy conflict just cause "Sultan Erdogan" says so we should strive better enough with siding with imperialistic objectives of the Turks,Iranians and Arabs we are better than this

There some bonafide idiots here who seem to lump everyone who speaks up against turkey, saudis, emiratis or qataris, as "Baathist Supporter" or a "follower of Imran Hosein." In reality, these mindless buffoons are desperate, because they have no leg to stand on, to argue against someone who uses critical thinking and looks at the problem objectively. Similar to those idiots who were calling for Pakistan to go to war against india over the latter revoking Article#370.

Seems as though these buffoons have never picked up a history book in their life. And if they have, they have not studied history objectively. Such people are cursed, it's not their ignorance that fails them. As being a Muslim, you must be staunch in your Salah, the study of the Noble Qur'an (just recitation, but delving into the Holy Book) and to draw one's relationship closer with Saqar-e-Qaunain, Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Which unfortunately, these people do not do, because they are essentially brain-locked into believing the Zionist-Western lies and deception.

The Middle East in a nutshell:

"Multitude of armies will fight over when the desert yields a mountain of gold. None shall taste victory or claim the mountain of gold for themselves." Syria or Yemen are conflicts which Pakistan must NOT be a part of. Pakistan must not be a part of this circus which the saudis, turkic-kaghanate, emiratis or qataris fight over.

"Barefooted shepherds, will vy against each other to construct the tallest structures." Pakistan must put an end to the mindless and senseless worshipping of traitor-saudi-wahhabi-salafi illegitimate monarchy (in Islam there is NO monarch, ALLAH alone is the sole and only Sovereign).

There is no fight for us Muslims to launch against, save that for Al-Quds. Anyone who has directly engaged the Zionist b@$t@rd-child (israel) in combat or challenges it in order to liberate the Holy Land, is the country, state, group or fellow Muslim brothers whom we should work with. Anything else, is a nonsensical endeavor.

 

[Armchair]

Reminds me of all the babus laughing at Jinnah for sending nascent Pak's military to help Indonesia.
Mediocre minds will not appreciate what is being said here. Sadly.

 

[A.A. Khan]

@Nasr

Shia liberal trying to protect his country Iran and its terror proxies in Syria again. Pakistan is already involved in Syria thru sending of our shia youth to fight for Hezbollah, iraqi militias and irani alquds.
Do you think Pakistan wont be blamed for this ? Those who die are buried in Qom and those who live return to Pakistan radicalised and brainwashed, and serious threat.

This neutral bs by selectively not mentioning shia radicals wont work. Turkey is the one of the few countries that stand up for Pakistan. Its because of Turkey Pakistan is not isolated and you see some tech transfer and infrastructure projects or else US had cornered you completely. Any hurt caused to Turkey is going to affect Pakistan in a bigger way in already backstabbing neighbourhood where Iran like neighbours host RAW, criminal and terror proxiez. Shia liberals before doing anti war hippie bakwaas to fool ppl here should condemn and stop Iran exploitation of Pakistani shia youth its going to only be disaster for us.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We should help those who help us.

We should distance ourselves from those who hurt us.

Turkey is our truest friend.

Iran is friend and ally of India, which they prefer over us.

Russia is one of our cruelest enemies. They have not forgotten Afghan war, we should not either.

 

[Yankee-stani]

We should help those who help us.

We should distance ourselves from those who hurt us.

Turkey is our truest friend.

Iran is friend and ally of India, which they prefer over us.

Russia is one of our cruelest enemies. They have not forgotten Afghan war, we should not either.

Russia is too busy with other stuff at the moment I see them as more of a cordial partner tho in Afghanistan in the near future, Turkey/China are allies but I am firm believer that there is no "true friend" in the sphere of international Politics, Iran just cordial partnership, for Pakistan I say stay away from other nations expansionists policies be it Turkish incursion in Syria and Libya or Chinese expansion in the South China Sea

 

[A.A. Khan]

There some bonafide idiots here who seem to lump everyone who speaks up against turkey, saudis, emiratis or qataris, as "Baathist Supporter" or a "follower of Imran Hosein." In reality, these mindless buffoons are desperate, because they have no leg to stand on, to argue against someone who uses critical thinking and looks at the problem objectively. Similar to those idiots who were calling for Pakistan to go to war against india over the latter revoking Article#370.

Seems as though these buffoons have never picked up a history book in their life. And if they have, they have not studied history objectively. Such people are cursed, it's not their ignorance that fails them. As being a Muslim, you must be staunch in your Salah, the study of the Noble Qur'an (just recitation, but delving into the Holy Book) and to draw one's relationship closer with Saqar-e-Qaunain, Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Which unfortunately, these people do not do, because they are essentially brain-locked into believing the Zionist-Western lies and deception.

The Middle East in a nutshell:

"Multitude of armies will fight over when the desert yields a mountain of gold. None shall taste victory or claim the mountain of gold for themselves." Syria or Yemen are conflicts which Pakistan must NOT be a part of. Pakistan must not be a part of this circus which the saudis, turkic-kaghanate, emiratis or qataris fight over.

"Barefooted shepherds, will vy against each other to construct the tallest structures." Pakistan must put an end to the mindless and senseless worshipping of traitor-saudi-wahhabi-salafi illegitimate monarchy (in Islam there is NO monarch, ALLAH alone is the sole and only Sovereign).

There is no fight for us Muslims to launch against, save that for Al-Quds. Anyone who has directly engaged the Zionist b@$t@rd-child (israel) in combat or challenges it in order to liberate the Holy Land, is the country, state, group or fellow Muslim brothers whom we should work with. Anything else, is a nonsensical endeavor.

Hahaha who are Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Syria, iraqi militias in Iraq and Iran hosting RAW, baloch terrorists in border areas fighting against? Zionists rofl. Who are these militias displacing jews or innocent sunni muslims. Please tell my shia brother i dont think this brotherhood in prose works when actions on ground show what Iran hates or is targeting this is Safavid war again against Sunnis using similar propaganda while engaging shia youth of other nationalities into their dirty game. This is not brotherhood.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Russia is too busy with other stuff at the moment I see them as more of a cordial partner tho in Afghanistan in the near future, Turkey/China are allies but I am firm believer that there is no "true friend" in the sphere of international Politics, Iran just cordial partnership, for Pakistan I say stay away from other nations expansionists policies be it Turkish incursion in Syria and Libya or Chinese expansion in the South China Sea

I agree, with the exception of Turkey or any other nation which supports us in Kashmir or against India, like Malaysia.

We should help them solve their problems, it will benefit Pakistan in the short and long term. They in turn will grow closer to us.

A new bloc in the Muslim world needs to form. Indonesia, whose government will change next election, also needs to be brought closer to us.

Pakistani isolationist policy has hurt Pakistan the most, it has allowed India to spread seeds all over the world and even turned our traditional allies like GCC against us.

We have to be bold and strong, push our narrative and expand our influence.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey is in no short of strength in men!!! Pak's "cooperation" is required at a different level...

 

[Yankee-stani]

I agree, with the exception of Turkey or any other nation which supports us in Kashmir or against India, like Malaysia.

We should help them solve their problems, it will benefit Pakistan in the short and long term. They in turn will grow closer to us.

A new bloc in the Muslim world needs to form. Indonesia, whose government will change next election, also needs to be brought closer to us.

Pakistani isolationist policy has hurt Pakistan the most, it has allowed India to spread seeds all over the world and even turned our traditional allies like GCC against us.

We have to be bold and strong, push our narrative and expand our influence.

I am not saying to be isolationist I am saying pick your battles wisely, what Turkey is doing is not very wise instead of reconile with reality they are heading into a booby trap by other rivals I blame it on the current leadership led by Erdogan he is not master geo political tactician he is being played by everyone and sadly the Turks and Syrians will have to pay for that,Pakistan's battles is to counter proxy conflict from India and making sure Afghanistan is sorta stable to prevent more proxies from seeping in

Reminds me of all the babus laughing at Jinnah for sending nascent Pak's military to help Indonesia.
Mediocre minds will not appreciate what is being said here. Sadly.

You comparing apples and oranges Indonesia asked for our help did Turkey ask if not our help is not needed I am afraid the Turks will be facing a Vietnam like defeat in Syria sadly

 

[himate]

NATO has been a braindead organisation ever since the Syrian crises. Turkey is fighting on multiple fronts and Pakistans cooperation is definitely required. Russia is an overhyped beast and conventionally its military is no match for Turkeys Army and its only advantage is its Nuclear arsenal. Turkey playing by the rule will definitely bring destruction to itself and I hope the leadership and their advisors understand this.

If Turkey hasn't built nukes on mass in secret or in collaboration with Pakistan then the leaders of turkey should go to hell because they know the dangers since the Syrian crises 9 years ago. Also, it's quite apparent from the Arab spring the Western Allies have shown their true colours and relying on them would be suicide.

If Turkey has massive nuclear arsenal then it's game over for Russia or anyone else for that matter

 

[masterchief_mirza]

@Nasr

Shia liberal trying to protect his country Iran and its terror proxies in Syria again. Pakistan is already involved in Syria thru sending of our shia youth to fight for Hezbollah, iraqi militias and irani alquds.
Do you think Pakistan wont be blamed for this ? Those who die are buried in Qom and those who live return to Pakistan radicalised and brainwashed, and serious threat.

This neutral bs by selectively not mentioning shia radicals wont work. Turkey is the one of the few countries that stand up for Pakistan. Its because of Turkey Pakistan is not isolated and you see some tech transfer and infrastructure projects or else US had cornered you completely. Any hurt caused to Turkey is going to affect Pakistan in a bigger way in already backstabbing neighbourhood where Iran like neighbours host RAW, criminal and terror proxiez. Shia liberals before doing anti war hippie bakwaas to fool ppl here should condemn and stop Iran exploitation of Pakistani shia youth its going to only be disaster for us.

Absolutely right here. I'm not suggesting Pakistan should charge in and help anybody with military personnel. But what makes me sick is the selective scathing critiques delivered against certain "nation builders" while omitting a certain other one (the only one n fact that's obsessed and habitually addicted to proxy war like some crack whore) from the conversation altogether. Apparently, only Turkey are "Interfering" in the middle east and Iran are just minding their pomegranate orchards.