why Pakistan must send its forces to help Turkey, a strategic prospective.

[Yankee-stani]

Absolutely right here. I'm not suggesting Pakistan should charge in and help anybody with military personnel. But what makes me sick is the selective scathing critiques delivered against certain "nation builders" while omitting a certain other one (the only one n fact that's obsessed and habitually addicted to proxy war like some crack whore) from the conversation altogether. Apparently, only Turkey are "Interfering" in the middle east and Iran are just minding their pomegranate orchards.

Partially correct Arabs,Iranians and Turks are all hegemonic sobs sadly

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

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Absolutely right here. I'm not suggesting Pakistan should charge in and help anybody with military personnel. But what makes me sick is the selective scathing critiques delivered against certain "nation builders" while omitting a certain other one (the only one n fact that's obsessed and habitually addicted to proxy war like some crack whore) from the conversation altogether. Apparently, only Turkey are "Interfering" in the middle east and Iran are just minding their pomegranate orchards.

There are only two camps in Syria, either pro-Turkish or pro-Iranian. By omitting criticism for Iran, it is quite clear whose propaganda they are swallowing.

As for Sunnis, the vast majority of us support Turkey because we have seen the injustice and murder committed on Sunni Syrians, namely Arabs, Kurds, and Turkmen. Our line is that Assad must be stopped at all costs.

It is a shame that the majority of Shias around the world have put in with Assad's cleansing of Sunnis without any thought, simply because his religion is Shia-like and Iran supports him.

 

[beijingwalker]

Russia is an overhyped beast and conventionally its military is no match for Turkeys Army and its only advantage is its Nuclear arsenal.

Are you serious about this statement...?

 

[LeGenD]

I think this the thing most Pakistanis tend to view the Syrian conflict from a one sided perspective mainly from the Turkish lenses which the lugenpresse Pak media often takes as the truth,that Assad is killing his own people "Sunni genocide" on the lines of that I am not a Assadists but as someone who tries to be sorta realistic he aint going anywhere any time soon, the Syrian people in the last 10 years have prefer his rule than the fanatics from the FSA or whatever ethnic supremacists crap the Kurds in Northern Syria have been doing, if the Syrians in the opposition had balls why all their young men are fleeing to Turkey, or Europe why are they not fighting but complaining on twitter all the time or those fighters that Turkey trained with the US are also incompetent they want power only not to let the Syrians run on their own its not a civil war its dirty proxy war fought by everyone the Syrian regime,Iranians,Russians,Kurds,Fanatics, Americans and Turks why should Pakistanis send their brave armed forces to this dirty proxy conflict just cause "Sultan Erdogan" says so we should strive better enough with siding with imperialistic objectives of the Turks,Iranians and Arabs we are better than this

One-sided perspective?

Sorry bro, but you need to study about Syrian Civil War in great depth.

Following source offers meaningful pointers: https://www.history.com/news/syria-civil-war-assad-rebels

Bashar al-Assad himself is responsible for ruining his country. He responded to calls from within Syria to step down with military force. Assad regime was on the brink of collapse in 2012 but resultant administrative vacuums enabled regional Al-Qaeda Network(s) to commence the dreaded ISIS movement in collusion with Iraqi Ba'athists in 2013 across Syria and Iraq and utterly damaged legitimate struggles of the Original Syrian Rebellion (OSR) in dispensing with Assad regime. Americans and Russians then reached an understanding in relation to Syria and ISIS movement wherein Russia would be allowed to prevent collapse of Assad regime in Syria and USA will attempt to eradicate ISIS movement (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). Russia and Iran - both came to the aid of Assad regime and Syrian rebellion lost its footing. Turkey (and much of Europe) had to bear the brunt of Syrian refugee crisis (millions of Syrians displaced by war over time), and Turkey decided to prevent extinction of the OSR at the hands of Assad regime and its allies (Russia and Iran) while USA concentrated on ISIS movement so that Assad regime does not retain absolute power in post Syrian Civil War conditions and Bashar al-Assad can be held accountable for his misdeeds at a later stage. The OSR is now limited to Idlib sector which is now under subject to attack from Assad regime and its allies. Turkey is trying to prevent massacre of OSR in the Idlib sector but not sure how this will turn out.

So you want Assad regime to succeed and Bashar al-Assad to be shielded from accountability? Perhaps this will be the outcome, but salute to your perspective, my friend (sarcasm alert).

There is not much of opposition left in Syria, and many Syrians are displaced (refugees). Those who are in Syria, are sick and tired of all the bloodshed. Therefore, you get the impression that they prefer rule of Assad regime. Of-course, Assad regime have its supporters and they are happy with how things turned out for them in the end but these people do not represent the entirety of Syria - not even close. This WAR is a TRAGEDY on many levels.

You living in USA and enjoying its perks, might not understand how many have suffered at the hands of Assad regime since 2011. However, there are people in distant lands who can understand what Syrians have been through.

You see EVIL in USA but Russia, Syria and Iran are worse. Russia and Iran both have dictatorships of their own - both are not comfortable with the notions of democracy and human rights. Both benefit from authoritarianism, and Iran in particular, benefits from propping Shiitte militias wherever it can because these forces give leverage to Iran as well as enable it to dictate its positions to others. The kind of views you are able to express in USA, would land you in trouble in either Russia, Syria or Iran. So have some introspection.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Pakistan can't and shouldn't send forces unless or until Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey , united states or china are under attack and our forces are there to defend them.

We should not be a part of invasion force ever. No matter which ally or friendly country asks for it. War is no joke.

 

[Nasr]

@Nasr


Shia liberal trying to protect his country Iran and its terror proxies in Syria again. Pakistan is already involved in Syria thru sending of our shia youth to fight for Hezbollah, iraqi militias and irani alquds.

Do you think Pakistan wont be blamed for this?

So going by what you're saying, since Pakistani civilians (Shias) are already fighting in Syria for Assad Regime, that Pakistan should now send it's own military to directly Turkey's military, which has illegally invaded, occupies Syria and is also arming terrorists, since we all ready involved? Clearly you have not the first clue about the consequences of such actions. And that logic you've used to argue your case is spectacularly hollow.

Go read the Charter Declaration of NATO, where when one NATO member state is engaged in war with an adversary, then it is incumbent upon all NATO member states to aid, contribute troops and military hardware toward such an armed conflict. It has been repeatedly demonstrated in the Vietnam War (1955-1975), Balkan War, the 1st Gulf War, in Afghanistan, 2nd Gulf War, in South China Sea, in Libya, Western Sahara in North Africa and so on.

Pakistan should not involve itself in this ridiculously absurd drama of turkey in Syria. Nor should Pakistan be involved with the highly psychotic, lunatic terrorists whom Turkey, Qatari and Saudi elites fund, arm and protect in Syria. In doing so, Pakistan will directly jeopardize it's efforts to bring about Peace in Afghanistan. Incensing Iran by sending Pakistan Military into Syria to support Turkey's bogus fight to protect itself from Kurds, stupid and an idea doomed to fail with disastrous consequences for Pakistan.

Do you think Pakistan wont be blamed for this ? Those who die are buried in Qom and those who live return to Pakistan radicalised and brainwashed, and serious threat.

British, American, Turkish, Saudi, Libyan, Tunisian, Uygurs, Chechens, Uzbek and French Nationals in the hundreds went to join ISIS in Syria and Iraq, between 2015-2018. I didn't see anyone condemn or do anything remotely retaliatory toward the countries whose citizens these lunatic, psychotic murderers are. Nor have I seen any news network, any government ... American, British, French, come out in the media to condemn or point the finger at Pakistan for having Pakistani civilians fighting in Syria for the Syrian govt! So in essence, you're just insinuating here, nothing more.

This neutral bs by selectively not mentioning shia radicals wont work.

That is typical of your kind of people who blindly support Turkey, without any substantiative argument. If someone exposes the saudi regime, or qatari regime, or turkey, or emirati regime. You assume that this person is an Iranian supporter. I am not, I am a Muslim (Sunni), a Pakistani and I believe in engaging Shias and Iran to come to an understanding to live in accordance with the Laws that Govern Islam.

Turkey is the one of the few countries that stand up for Pakistan.

Wrong statement again, I would rather see "Pakistanis" stand-up for and stand by Pakistan. We are own worst enemy when we look to others for help and we are invincible when we look to Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah for strength.

It's because of Turkey Pakistan is not isolated

I don't whether you've been living under a rock, or in an alternate universe, but for the last 50 years it has been China, NOT turkey which has provided Pakistan with technology, advance weapons and billions of dollars worth infrastructure development. Without China's friendship (God given), Pakistan would not have JF-17 Thunder, Type-054 Frigates, Yuan Class Submarines, Al-Khalid Main Battle Tanks, M-11 Silkworm missile system on the back of which Pakistan began it's Hatf series Ballistic Missiles. It is China, NOT turkey, that has helped Pakistan develop MIRV capable Nuclear Warheads for it's Ballistic Missiles.

Pakistan stood for itself, despite saudis turning their back on us, and yet, they still need us. Pakistan has developed relations with Malaysia, because of its own efforts, not because of turkey. It is Pakistan who went ahead with engaging the Russians, to forge new and strong ties between the two great nations. It is Pakistan which came forward to establish cordial relations with Turkey, not the other way round. Muslims of the former Mughal Empire were the ones who had stood in solidarity with the last Khilafa, when it was brutally dismantled by Zionist-Britain's sleazy strategies.

and you see some tech transfer and infrastructure projects or else US had cornered you completely.

Really!? Is that why Pakistan Army's acquisition of T-129 Atak helo is in a limbo? Or perhaps it is because Honeywell/Rolls-Royce pulled out from supplying turkey the engines for the helicopter deal! The deal worth billions of dollars will now be trashed. The Milgem Corvettes would be fitted with VLS, but that would be non-turkish, non-western since America is no longer playing ball with turkey.

As for the U.S, it is because Pakistan moved away from America and looked to China, Russia, South Africa and Brazil. That the us Congress is now trying to make a concerted effort to gain back some leverage with Pakistan. Afghan Peace Deal is the bargaining chip that America is using, to get back in the good graces of Pakistan. Since Pakistan's leadership seeks not loans, or aid, or any other bribe that would've usually bought Pakistani leaderships in the past, rather Pakistan's leadership seeks mutually beneficial relations with mutual respect at it's core.

Any hurt caused to Turkey is going to affect Pakistan in a bigger way in already backstabbing neighbourhood where Iran like neighbours host RAW, criminal and terror proxiez.

There is nothing of that sort, in reality, in truth or any other alternate reality that you exist in. Pakistan has existed for 72 years when there was no turkey and Pakistan shall exist for another 72 years without turkey, in-sha-Allah. Friendship with a fellow Muslim country like turkey is good to promote. But to then use that friendship as a political tool, is fatal and ill-advised to those who seek to be Pakistan's friend.

Shia liberals before doing anti war hippie bakwaas to fool ppl here should condemn and stop Iran exploitation of Pakistani shia youth its going to only be disaster for us.

If that were the case, then today there would've been an increased representation of Shia within Pakistan. Fact of the matter is that there isn't any Shia rebellion against the state of Pakistan. Rather than engaging Shia Pakistanis in a constructive and positive manner, to bring harmony within the Pakistani society. Instead people like you, seek to antagonize and aggravate an already fragile issue in the Muslim world.

Stop creating a mountain out of a mole hill, to support your baseless and senseless arguments for your dear ole turks.

Hahaha who are Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Syria, iraqi militias in Iraq and Iran hosting RAW, baloch terrorists in border areas fighting against? Zionists rofl. Who are these militias displacing jews or innocent sunni muslims. Please tell my shia brother i dont think this brotherhood in prose works when actions on ground show what Iran hates or is targeting this is Safavid war again against Sunnis using similar propaganda while engaging shia youth of other nationalities into their dirty game. This is not brotherhood.

Well this post of yours proves my point that people are braindead and utterly ignorant in their failure to see that Pakistan is NOT, must NOT and will NOT get sucked into a the fight between Wahhabi-Salafi idiots, Greater-Persia chiming morons, nor the Turkic-Khaghanate who wish to revive the Ottoman Empire (it never did qualify to be a Khilafah). Your ignorance is evidence why Pakistan has been led by a bunch of buffoons, selected and bribed by Washington DC, for the 40 years.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

if we help turkey, that will build pressure on Russia, to engage pakistan, rethink its relations with india, cancel S-400 and now that Akula 2 sub deals with it along with Nuclear co-operation and Brahmos agreements with it.
Russian ambassador to India has clearly said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India, it supports the indian stance as it has always been doing since Cold War era!

In SCO Its Russian Head had rejected Pakistan's request to involve and intervene and he refused saying Pakistan and India should not bring in their problem there even though its written in its charter that no country can attack each other and Pakistan did that back in march/april right after operation swift retort of india attacking Pakistan.

Now read this, They have also vetoed the recent resolutions on Kashmir along with 5 others!
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-kashmir-issue-again-at-unsc-indian-analysts/

This Syria of Bashar Al Asad is also on the side of India on Kashmir issue Syrian Ambassador to India has also said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India just like its Russian Master had said! even though its a UN recognized disputed territory. Removing him from Syria will serve our interests well. And will help making consensus on Kashmir issue as well.

As for Russia, it must end its relations with India if it wants to realistically realize its wishful thinking of ruling our Muslim World, as Countries like Pakistan are the ultimate Kings of this side of the World!

Russia meanwhile who is scared of selling us mere AK47s for the sake of its time tested and strategic ally India with whom it has a 30 years old strategic partnership and yr probably thinking that its still a friend of Pakistan, no its not! Vladimir Putin had made it clear that in 2015 that relations with Pakistan will never be at the cost of India and this is what he meant, below is the link of those AK47s, Pakistan was trying to buy them for FC.

https://theprint.in/defence/russia-...s-assures-india-of-no-deals-in-future/264004/

U my friend really need to stop reading RT too much.....Russia is of no use for Pakistan! Pakistan's only friends in this World are two Turkey and China, who stand up with us in our times of need, they are our time tested strategic friends! and if they r in need of something, we must also help them.

Turkey is hosting about 4 million of the Syrian refugees its taking the economical burden of them all by herself! Its in its right to fully intervene in Syrian affair since it directly effects its National security, it doesn't effects Russia's nor is Russia hosting Syrian refugees besides, its part of our own Muslim World, and its own problems is our business not some Christian Russia's.

Meanwhile this is what their media is reporting.......Abt President Erdogan's Kashmir remarks.
https://sputniknews.com/world/20200...-erdogan-over-his-kashmir-remark-in-pakistan/

While clearly India is being pampered by both Israel and America as a counterbalance to China in South Asia and in Indian Ocean, this is what Russian media is telling China. LOL
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-south-asia-not-an-option-for-india-analysts/

Russia must realize that its no longer a Soviet Union, its today a Country with only less then 150 million population, even Bangladesh has more then that what to speak of a powerful Country like Pakistan, who lives in a region and is key to her where 1/6th of the total Earth's population lives, and now specially post crimea crisis its heavily sanctioned country, the only 2 things Pakistan is really interested is its first UNSC vote on Kashmir by respecting the Pakistani stance, 2nd Its energy and Defence. Beyond that it does not offer anything to offer to a country the size of Pakistan who is 5th largest country on this planet Earth!

There is nothing really economical or strategic it can offer be it in SCO, BRICs or whatever. So speaking strictly from Pakistani interests in mind, there is nothing Russia can offer to Pakistan or can it?

So in conclusion, Pakistan must use its military strength for something useful.....And specially use this ''number 1'' intelligence agency and ''battle hardened'' forces as well as ''chup k goli marny wala'' bajwa and his extension for something useful, they cant attack India, nor will they ever, they have clearly done a deal with it.

So why not make their lazy asses useful these days? which r just sitting on their backsides in offices doing nothing, and r already dreaming of creating those 90s shashka again? (u know trying hard for postings in Lahore Cantt/airbases, Rawalpindi Cantt/airbases, Karachi cantt/airbases, Okara Cantt/airbases etc etc ayashi ayashi)

So lets make them useful for the cause of Pakistan by keeping our long term strategic objectives in mind!

either you are not normal or a simple !diot to come up with something like this.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

This thread seems a lot popular.
I want to comment before but I refreined.
I want my Pakistani friends to tell me that when does turkey asked for Pakistani troops? Maybe I have missed the news.
Or is turkey seems lacking in their security forces. Or the operations they are doing they need extra hand?

 

[Yankee-stani]

This thread seems a lot popular.
I want to comment before but I refreined.
I want my Pakistani friends to tell me that when does turkey asked for Pakistani troops? Maybe I have missed the news.
Or is turkey seems lacking in their security forces. Or the operations they are doing they need extra hand?

The OP suggests that the PAF should send in support for the Turkish operations in Syria,there isnt any reports of any PAF involvement nor in realistic chance Turkey or TUAF would ask for support any time into the future diplomatic statements and solidarity is one thing but Pakistani boots on the ground is something else and the respective OP is smoking something crazy in this thread

 

[Arsalan 345]

you can't remain neutral all the time. pakistan should learn from past mistakes.nobody will help pakistan in the near future if we continue to pose as neutral party.sometimes neutral also considered weak.

 

[Nasr]

you can't remain neutral all the time. pakistan should learn from past mistakes.nobody will help pakistan in the near future if we continue to pose as neutral party.sometimes neutral also considered weak.

Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah helps those, who help themselves. We need our own people to stand up for Pakistan, to fight against and to exterminate with extreme prejudice, these land mafias, wheat mafias, sugar mafias, diesel mafias and the criminal gangs that disguise themselves as political party extensions and lawyers.

 

[fitpOsitive]

if we help turkey, that will build pressure on Russia, to engage pakistan, rethink its relations with india, cancel S-400 and now that Akula 2 sub deals with it along with Nuclear co-operation and Brahmos agreements with it.
Russian ambassador to India has clearly said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India, it supports the indian stance as it has always been doing since Cold War era!

In SCO Its Russian Head had rejected Pakistan's request to involve and intervene and he refused saying Pakistan and India should not bring in their problem there even though its written in its charter that no country can attack each other and Pakistan did that back in march/april right after operation swift retort of india attacking Pakistan.

Now read this, They have also vetoed the recent resolutions on Kashmir along with 5 others!
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-kashmir-issue-again-at-unsc-indian-analysts/

This Syria of Bashar Al Asad is also on the side of India on Kashmir issue Syrian Ambassador to India has also said that Kashmir is an internal matter of India just like its Russian Master had said! even though its a UN recognized disputed territory. Removing him from Syria will serve our interests well. And will help making consensus on Kashmir issue as well.

As for Russia, it must end its relations with India if it wants to realistically realize its wishful thinking of ruling our Muslim World, as Countries like Pakistan are the ultimate Kings of this side of the World!

Russia meanwhile who is scared of selling us mere AK47s for the sake of its time tested and strategic ally India with whom it has a 30 years old strategic partnership and yr probably thinking that its still a friend of Pakistan, no its not! Vladimir Putin had made it clear that in 2015 that relations with Pakistan will never be at the cost of India and this is what he meant, below is the link of those AK47s, Pakistan was trying to buy them for FC.

https://theprint.in/defence/russia-...s-assures-india-of-no-deals-in-future/264004/

U my friend really need to stop reading RT too much.....Russia is of no use for Pakistan! Pakistan's only friends in this World are two Turkey and China, who stand up with us in our times of need, they are our time tested strategic friends! and if they r in need of something, we must also help them.

Turkey is hosting about 4 million of the Syrian refugees its taking the economical burden of them all by herself! Its in its right to fully intervene in Syrian affair since it directly effects its National security, it doesn't effects Russia's nor is Russia hosting Syrian refugees besides, its part of our own Muslim World, and its own problems is our business not some Christian Russia's.

Meanwhile this is what their media is reporting.......Abt President Erdogan's Kashmir remarks.
https://sputniknews.com/world/20200...-erdogan-over-his-kashmir-remark-in-pakistan/

While clearly India is being pampered by both Israel and America as a counterbalance to China in South Asia and in Indian Ocean, this is what Russian media is telling China. LOL
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/20...-south-asia-not-an-option-for-india-analysts/

Russia must realize that its no longer a Soviet Union, its today a Country with only less then 150 million population, even Bangladesh has more then that what to speak of a powerful Country like Pakistan, who lives in a region and is key to her where 1/6th of the total Earth's population lives, and now specially post crimea crisis its heavily sanctioned country, the only 2 things Pakistan is really interested is its first UNSC vote on Kashmir by respecting the Pakistani stance, 2nd Its energy and Defence. Beyond that it does not offer anything to offer to a country the size of Pakistan who is 5th largest country on this planet Earth!

There is nothing really economical or strategic it can offer be it in SCO, BRICs or whatever. So speaking strictly from Pakistani interests in mind, there is nothing Russia can offer to Pakistan or can it?

So in conclusion, Pakistan must use its military strength for something useful.....And specially use this ''number 1'' intelligence agency and ''battle hardened'' forces as well as ''chup k goli marny wala'' bajwa and his extension for something useful, they cant attack India, nor will they ever, they have clearly done a deal with it.

So why not make their lazy asses useful these days? which r just sitting on their backsides in offices doing nothing, and r already dreaming of creating those 90s shashka again? (u know trying hard for postings in Lahore Cantt/airbases, Rawalpindi Cantt/airbases, Karachi cantt/airbases, Okara Cantt/airbases etc etc ayashi ayashi)

So lets make them useful for the cause of Pakistan by keeping our long term strategic objectives in mind!

We are purposely away from Middle Eastern arena.
The day Pakistan stepped in, it will be WW3. Cuz, our targeting rate and accuracy is so good that we will eliminate few important guys so quickly that the puppeteers will be compelled to come out.
I think this will mount more pressure on Turkey, and KSA. That's the reason, no matter how much we are provoked, we are not intending to jumpin in near future.

 

[Zarvan]

Our relations with Russia are already getting better. We already bought and buying MI 35 helicopters and most likely will buy AK 103 also. And soon more weapons from Russia.

 

[A.A. Khan]

@Nasr

Again you go on and on rambling like a foolish hypocrite.

And selectively remove mention or any sort of criticism against Iran or their exploitation of Shia youth while you are against Pakistanis fighting in other wars rofl.

According to you there is no state rebellion but there are sectarian attacks inside Pakistan where non-controversial sunni imams like Mufti Usmani have been targeted by a person who fought war in Syria, took training in Iran and came bavk radicalised.

You are extremely concerned with Pakistanis fighting outside but trying to hide and ignore of how a fragile society like Pakistan would be impacted with radicalised shia youth returning back as long as they don't attack interests of the state. But criminal and sectarian operations by them are fine, SHAME AND CURSE ON YOU.

People like you are part of the problem in our society. First condemn the role Iran is playing in Syria and other parts who are killing and displacing fellow Muslims as well as involving Pakistani youth in heir wars.

 

[Baz]

lol what a moronic thing to suggest

indians getting israeli pilots is ok?