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Islamabad learnt a bitter lesson in diplomacy during the dust-up over national security adviser talks with India —that once a side triumphs in the drafting of a text i.e., a joint statement, it can control the narrative about events.

There’s little doubt that from Pakistan’s vantage, the joint statement at Ufa was very badly drafted. It allowed India’s external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj to point to elements in the brief 207-word text which suggest that both sides considered terrorism as a central theme of the NSA talks. Pakistan’s NSA Sartaj Aziz could point to the part that said Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif ‘are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues’ – which has traditionally been a euphemism for Jammu and Kashmir – but it is fairly clear that the Ufa statement, taken together, was loaded in favour of recognizing terrorism as a central to the NSA talks agenda.

Be that as it may be, there is reason to believe this was a pyrrhic victory, where India squandered bigger objectives and incurred bigger costs by getting into an ugly squabble over Kashmiri separatists and the talks agenda. It prompts questions about the way New Delhi handled the situation, it puts paid to well-circulated theories about Modi’s foreign policy, evokes concerns about what this means for the future and raises doubts about the credibility of India’s narrative internationally.

To begin with, many have already asked as to why the agenda was not sorted out by New Delhi well in advance, if terrorism was to be the singular agenda. Swaraj suggested that Pakistan did not respond for 22 days to India’s call on NSA talks.

If that were true, were there no instruments at hand except feeding the media about India’s strategy of sending out a strong message on terror, of handing over a dossiers on militant camps that were reviving, on presenting proof that Dawood Ibrahim lives in Karachi, and about handing an expanding list of Indian fugitives living in Pakistan? Once that public diplomacy agenda of projecting Modi and NSA Ajit Doval as strongmen was on, was there any surprise that Islamabad would trot out a meeting with Kashmiri separatists to burnish its own moral credentials by insisting on the “core issue”? Islamabad was, in any case, still very resentful of the way Modi peremptorily called off foreign secretary talks last year – and so India’s posturing gave Islamabad the excuse to grandstand as well.

And even if Swaraj’s reading of the Ufa statement is warranted, the question to ask is whether India can really expect Pakistan to discuss terrorism and nothing else? Even if Pakistan is a deeply unstable state wracked with internal challenges, and has long pursued wrongheaded policies on India, it still does remain a nation-state that has its own canons of status, dignity and prestige. What is the incentive for Islamabad to participate in a dialogue where the agenda is structured to blame Pakistan, however warranted that blame is? Was not India’s anger about terrorism, the proof thereof and the threats to convey by Doval better relayed in a private setting rather than played out in public leaving both sides little option but to posture? In any case, if India was supposed to have a dual strategy of engaging the civilian government of Nawaz Sharif while isolating the military establishment, how do stringent conditions for talks with a representative of PM Sharif square with such plans?

All told, Modi’s posturing may have been good television that galvanised his base but it is completely out of step with the conventions of transaction between nation-states, however lopsided the balance of power is between two contending parties. If Indian policymakers argue that Pakistan does not deserve such courtesies as it exports terror, then why bother with Ufa in the first place?

Modi’s Pakistan policy seems to stem from the belief that keeping Islamabad on a leash through hardened rhetoric and enforcing a circumscribed dialogue is the way to go. The problem is that it achieves little beyond beefing up his domestic legitimacy. For one, it does not guarantee an end to terror attacks. Clearly India’s threats and a massive retaliation to cross-LoC firing last autumn has not deterred Pakistan from pushing terrorists into Gurdaspur or using artillery against civilians in the Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan has been steadily expanding its nuclear weapons programme and feels able to continue with sub-conventional warfare without too much of a cost. Modi’s coercive tactics have not altered that calculus significantly yet as the increased attacks in J&K suggest. In fact, the principal reason why Pakistan is keen on resuming dialogue with India, is not because it quakes at the neighbour’s military might, but because it sees engagement as a mechanism to contain escalation if a major terrorist strike does happen – a tool India has now deprived itself of.

Defenders of India’s policy may argue that Modi is raising Pakistan’s costs for proxy war through stringent conditionality and threatening ‘hot pursuit’ or implying covert action of its own. But we have just seen that Pakistan is unlikely to agree to pre-conditions since it has a competitive political landscape like any other country. The idea of hot pursuit of terrorists has also not been fully tested yet. Security experts say that aircrafts or commandos can execute an operation against militant camps in Pakistan but argue that returning back to India may not be easy.

To restate, Modi’s hardline approach has not yet achieved any of the outcomes that are in India’s interests. All that this policy has yielded is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiment, which has no policy utility beyond translating into a subliminal tirade against Indian Muslims on television on a regular basis. In effect, the policy is generating toxic effects in Indian society and on its public sphere rather achieving any strategic objective with Pakistan.

There are at least a couple of other policy implications to consider. The Modi government may well prefer not to deal with Pakistan but the
current approach will have seriously undermined networks that will be handy for managing the next India-Pakistan crisis. If a non-state actor like the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, decides to drive a wedge between the two countries — which is not inconceivable for figures with apocalyptic worldviews — it is not clear who Ajit Doval will lean on to prevent an escalation, especially when he is seen as a mastermind of the current strategy, a champion of hot pursuit of militants into Pakistan and a proponent of India punching well above its weight.

In the aftermath of the next major terrorist strike, we will then have to rely on the Americans and the international community to defuse tensions, who will no doubt point out privately that India initiated this round of recriminations starting with the calling off of foreign secretary talks last August. In the meanwhile, if the Modi government is seen as egging on its hypernationalist media and embarrassing Pakistan’s civilian government which desired talks, then the international community’s indignation with the low-level terrorist violence that Pakistan sustains in India will wear thin.

This is not an argument for appeasement. Pakistan has, for sure, powerful actors who are implacably committed to destabilising India. There are, however, no military answers to the problem of terrorism. India would have tried them long ago if there were. India’s policy must instead flow from a recognition that Pakistan is a nation of 182 million with a complex set of interests and motivations, both at the elite and popular plane. India needs to have leverage all across Pakistani society to achieve its purposes, which for the moment includes rollback of terror and preventing escalation of conflict. The current policy is instead arraying all of Pakistan, including liberal elements of its civil society, against India, while the latter is also manufacturing animosity towards the neighbour. Effecting a social breach within and between both nations just to prove a point to a section of the Pakistan elite is neither sensible nor strategic. It is a dangerous place to be.

Source: Hindustan Times
 
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No more appeasement for talks.... This is the perfect policy for Pakistan ... Pakistan had lost opportunity to make any truce during last 15yrs n now it wont be easy for Pakistan to lure India for further talks.... .... No need to be cosy with Pakistan lets remain neutral n more focus should be on integrating other nation without Pakistan.... Lets Pakistan become irrelevant economically or geopolitically......
N there is no need for modi or dobhal to project their strongman public image ...
All I know is its impossible to pacify each n every expert on this .....
Baat kare toh problem nhi kare toh problem....
 
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Though it is written by an Indian, then
If Pakistan thinks it is flawed, then they and Hurriyat should wait for next favorable Govt., I mean may be for 10-15 years!!
 
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Send in your boys, then dont cry if you find their parts in different body bags.
 
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No more appeasement for talks.... This is the perfect policy for Pakistan ... Pakistan had lost opportunity to make any truce during last 15yrs n now it wont be easy for Pakistan to lure India for further talks.... .... No need to be cosy with Pakistan lets remain neutral n more focus should be on integrating other nation without Pakistan.... Lets Pakistan become irrelevant economically or geopolitically......
N there is no need for modi or dobhal to project their strongman public image ...
All I know is its impossible to pacify each n every expert on this .....
Baat kare toh problem nhi kare toh problem....
India is doomed. Your verbal war-mongering and support for terrorism begets from your religious teachings but those are detested and short-lived. In 6 thousands years of chronicled history of the subcontinent, hindus have got the first chance to rule a big chunk of land called india (Aug 15, 1947 to date) and right from the beginning india, has been pro-war and anti-peace in the region. india had multiple wars with all its neighbours, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Pakistan, Sri lanka. With murdoodi in power, india has lost all the senses and is hell-bent on destabilising the whole region and the world. But these jingoistic tunes are no more tolerated and this can very well be last chance for india.
 
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India is doomed. Your verbal war-mongering and support for terrorism begets from your religious teachings but those are detested and short-lived. In 6 thousands years of chronicled history of the subcontinent, hindus have got the first chance to rule a big chunk of land called india (Aug 15, 1947 to date) and right from the beginning india, has been pro-war and anti-peace in the region. india had multiple wars with all its neighbours, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Pakistan, Sri lanka. With murdoodi in power, india has lost all the senses and is hell-bent on destabilising the whole region and the world. But these jingoistic tunes are no more tolerated and this can very well be last chance for india.

Then please don't tolerate.

In fact, the principal reason why Pakistan is keen on resuming dialogue with India, is not because it quakes at the neighbour’s military might, but because it sees engagement as a mechanism to contain escalation if a major terrorist strike does happen – a tool India has now deprived itself of.

What kind of garbage is this? So, after every heinous act of terrorism by Pakistan on Indian soil, it is India who must find a mechanism to defuse tension and contain escalation? Wow!

There are at least a couple of other policy implications to consider. The Modi government may well prefer not to deal with Pakistan but the current approach will have seriously undermined networks that will be handy for managing the next India-Pakistan crisis. If a non-state actor like the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, decides to drive a wedge between the two countries — which is not inconceivable for figures with apocalyptic worldviews — it is not clear who Ajit Doval will lean on to prevent an escalation, especially when he is seen as a mastermind of the current strategy, a champion of hot pursuit of militants into Pakistan and a proponent of India punching well above its weight.

Non-state actors like LeT always work with the state, so Pakistan is directly responsible for their action. And if LeT starts anything on its own, then it is Pakistan who must hunt them down to defuse the tension. The writer of the article seems to expect that it is India who should go and say to Pakistan "chill, let's talk!" after every terrorist attack by Pakistan.

In the aftermath of the next major terrorist strike, we will then have to rely on the Americans and the international community to defuse tensions, who will no doubt point out privately that India initiated this round of recriminations starting with the calling off of foreign secretary talks last August.

Did the writer read what he was writing, I doubt.
 
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Please murdoodi do some fake terrorist operation and kill innocent Indian and blame Pakistan and show us ur shurveer type of role and attack Pakistan and destroy this world so the next war we fight with stone and stick .
 
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From Modi's perspective Pakistan is not a Political issue anymore

Pakistan is only a Security Issue.

Most of the Indians have accepted the fact that, Pakistan's hatred towards India and its obsession for Kashmir will never cease, therefore Pakistan will not be interested in any trade or development projects with India.

In short, in the next 5 or 10 or 15 years till Modi is at the helm Pakistan will get a 'Royal Ignore' by the 'terrorist' Modi. While every Pakistani channel, all Pakistani social media and all its citizens in every Pakistani town will be abusing and cursing him.

In the meanwhile Pakistani obsession/hatred with Modi will keep on multiplying If anybody has any doubts then search PDF for Modi to find out how badly people across the border are obsessed with NaMo. :lol:
 
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This is possibly only time most Indians agreed about India's policy about Pakistan..

we should treat Pakistan forever like we're treating now...no interaction on any level except "You'll send Terrorist,we'll kill it" policy.
 
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Then please don't tolerate.



What kind of garbage is this? So, after every heinous act of terrorism by Pakistan on Indian soil, it is India who must find a mechanism to defuse tension and contain escalation? Wow!



Non-state actors like LeT always work with the state, so Pakistan is directly responsible for their action. And if LeT starts anything on its own, then it is Pakistan who must hunt them down to defuse the tension. The writer of the article seems to expect that it is India who should go and say to Pakistan "chill, let's talk!" after every terrorist attack by Pakistan.



Did the writer read what he was writing, I doubt.
in short pakistani security establishment wants to have the cake and eat it too ...... but in real world things dont work like they do in land of the pure ..... here its all about mutuallt beneficial terms and since what pakistani establishment is offreing for this so called "peace" is of no value to india and what they want in return of that peace is not on table hence the dead lock which i pressumme aint going anywhere for at least till may 2019 :coffee:
 
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No more appeasement for talks.... This is the perfect policy for Pakistan ... Pakistan had lost opportunity to make any truce during last 15yrs n now it wont be easy for Pakistan to lure India for further talks.... .... No need to be cosy with Pakistan lets remain neutral n more focus should be on integrating other nation without Pakistan.... Lets Pakistan become irrelevant economically or geopolitically......
N there is no need for modi or dobhal to project their strongman public image ...
All I know is its impossible to pacify each n every expert on this .....
Baat kare toh problem nhi kare toh problem....

And the idiot remains an idiot, either by choice or is just born that way.
 
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Islamabad learnt a bitter lesson in diplomacy during the dust-up over national security adviser talks with India —that once a side triumphs in the drafting of a text i.e., a joint statement, it can control the narrative about events.

There’s little doubt that from Pakistan’s vantage, the joint statement at Ufa was very badly drafted. It allowed India’s external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj to point to elements in the brief 207-word text which suggest that both sides considered terrorism as a central theme of the NSA talks. Pakistan’s NSA Sartaj Aziz could point to the part that said Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif ‘are prepared to discuss all outstanding issues’ – which has traditionally been a euphemism for Jammu and Kashmir – but it is fairly clear that the Ufa statement, taken together, was loaded in favour of recognizing terrorism as a central to the NSA talks agenda.

Be that as it may be, there is reason to believe this was a pyrrhic victory, where India squandered bigger objectives and incurred bigger costs by getting into an ugly squabble over Kashmiri separatists and the talks agenda. It prompts questions about the way New Delhi handled the situation, it puts paid to well-circulated theories about Modi’s foreign policy, evokes concerns about what this means for the future and raises doubts about the credibility of India’s narrative internationally.

To begin with, many have already asked as to why the agenda was not sorted out by New Delhi well in advance, if terrorism was to be the singular agenda. Swaraj suggested that Pakistan did not respond for 22 days to India’s call on NSA talks.

If that were true, were there no instruments at hand except feeding the media about India’s strategy of sending out a strong message on terror, of handing over a dossiers on militant camps that were reviving, on presenting proof that Dawood Ibrahim lives in Karachi, and about handing an expanding list of Indian fugitives living in Pakistan? Once that public diplomacy agenda of projecting Modi and NSA Ajit Doval as strongmen was on, was there any surprise that Islamabad would trot out a meeting with Kashmiri separatists to burnish its own moral credentials by insisting on the “core issue”? Islamabad was, in any case, still very resentful of the way Modi peremptorily called off foreign secretary talks last year – and so India’s posturing gave Islamabad the excuse to grandstand as well.

And even if Swaraj’s reading of the Ufa statement is warranted, the question to ask is whether India can really expect Pakistan to discuss terrorism and nothing else? Even if Pakistan is a deeply unstable state wracked with internal challenges, and has long pursued wrongheaded policies on India, it still does remain a nation-state that has its own canons of status, dignity and prestige. What is the incentive for Islamabad to participate in a dialogue where the agenda is structured to blame Pakistan, however warranted that blame is? Was not India’s anger about terrorism, the proof thereof and the threats to convey by Doval better relayed in a private setting rather than played out in public leaving both sides little option but to posture? In any case, if India was supposed to have a dual strategy of engaging the civilian government of Nawaz Sharif while isolating the military establishment, how do stringent conditions for talks with a representative of PM Sharif square with such plans?

All told, Modi’s posturing may have been good television that galvanised his base but it is completely out of step with the conventions of transaction between nation-states, however lopsided the balance of power is between two contending parties. If Indian policymakers argue that Pakistan does not deserve such courtesies as it exports terror, then why bother with Ufa in the first place?

Modi’s Pakistan policy seems to stem from the belief that keeping Islamabad on a leash through hardened rhetoric and enforcing a circumscribed dialogue is the way to go. The problem is that it achieves little beyond beefing up his domestic legitimacy. For one, it does not guarantee an end to terror attacks. Clearly India’s threats and a massive retaliation to cross-LoC firing last autumn has not deterred Pakistan from pushing terrorists into Gurdaspur or using artillery against civilians in the Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan has been steadily expanding its nuclear weapons programme and feels able to continue with sub-conventional warfare without too much of a cost. Modi’s coercive tactics have not altered that calculus significantly yet as the increased attacks in J&K suggest. In fact, the principal reason why Pakistan is keen on resuming dialogue with India, is not because it quakes at the neighbour’s military might, but because it sees engagement as a mechanism to contain escalation if a major terrorist strike does happen – a tool India has now deprived itself of.

Defenders of India’s policy may argue that Modi is raising Pakistan’s costs for proxy war through stringent conditionality and threatening ‘hot pursuit’ or implying covert action of its own. But we have just seen that Pakistan is unlikely to agree to pre-conditions since it has a competitive political landscape like any other country. The idea of hot pursuit of terrorists has also not been fully tested yet. Security experts say that aircrafts or commandos can execute an operation against militant camps in Pakistan but argue that returning back to India may not be easy.

To restate, Modi’s hardline approach has not yet achieved any of the outcomes that are in India’s interests. All that this policy has yielded is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiment, which has no policy utility beyond translating into a subliminal tirade against Indian Muslims on television on a regular basis. In effect, the policy is generating toxic effects in Indian society and on its public sphere rather achieving any strategic objective with Pakistan.

There are at least a couple of other policy implications to consider. The Modi government may well prefer not to deal with Pakistan but the
current approach will have seriously undermined networks that will be handy for managing the next India-Pakistan crisis. If a non-state actor like the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, decides to drive a wedge between the two countries — which is not inconceivable for figures with apocalyptic worldviews — it is not clear who Ajit Doval will lean on to prevent an escalation, especially when he is seen as a mastermind of the current strategy, a champion of hot pursuit of militants into Pakistan and a proponent of India punching well above its weight.

In the aftermath of the next major terrorist strike, we will then have to rely on the Americans and the international community to defuse tensions, who will no doubt point out privately that India initiated this round of recriminations starting with the calling off of foreign secretary talks last August. In the meanwhile, if the Modi government is seen as egging on its hypernationalist media and embarrassing Pakistan’s civilian government which desired talks, then the international community’s indignation with the low-level terrorist violence that Pakistan sustains in India will wear thin.

This is not an argument for appeasement. Pakistan has, for sure, powerful actors who are implacably committed to destabilising India. There are, however, no military answers to the problem of terrorism. India would have tried them long ago if there were. India’s policy must instead flow from a recognition that Pakistan is a nation of 182 million with a complex set of interests and motivations, both at the elite and popular plane. India needs to have leverage all across Pakistani society to achieve its purposes, which for the moment includes rollback of terror and preventing escalation of conflict. The current policy is instead arraying all of Pakistan, including liberal elements of its civil society, against India, while the latter is also manufacturing animosity towards the neighbour. Effecting a social breach within and between both nations just to prove a point to a section of the Pakistan elite is neither sensible nor strategic. It is a dangerous place to be.

Source: Hindustan Times
The moment they enter border they would end up dead. They would eliminated without any mercy being shown.
 
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scanning through this and similar threads, it becomes clear that:
1) Pakistanis have mostly bought their military establishment's concoction that somehow 'Kashmir' is an 'issue' that they need to 'solve'. In almost 70 years, they have not been able to convince India that this is an 'issue', so Indians are not going to agree to any 'solution' because they don't agree that is a 'probem'.

2) the 'issue' according to Indians is that of terrorism emanating from Pakistan. And this they have successfully demonstrated in the global theatre over the past decades and continue to successfully do so.

Pakistan has therefore lost. They tried direct military assault (Kargil for example) and got walloped. They tried mujahideen jihad and are themselves getting walloped by their own jihadis. Yup, Pakistan has lost alright. And Pak establishment continue to tighten the noose around themselves.

Indian government, whether Modi led or in future, have to simply sit back and let them
 
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Modi's " With or, Without or, despite Pakistan" policy will make people across the border restless. Taking relationship with every other country forward while ignoring Pakistan looks like a good plan. Some sane Pakistanis have already started to talk about it and have started warning Pakistani establishment of increasing differential between India and Pakistan. Give this policy some more time and keep scoring deals with neighbors, shrillness in Pakistani voices will only increase.
 
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No more appeasement for talks.... This is the perfect policy for Pakistan ... Pakistan had lost opportunity to make any truce during last 15yrs n now it wont be easy for Pakistan to lure India for further talks.... .... No need to be cosy with Pakistan lets remain neutral n more focus should be on integrating other nation without Pakistan.... Lets Pakistan become irrelevant economically or geopolitically......
N there is no need for modi or dobhal to project their strongman public image ...
All I know is its impossible to pacify each n every expert on this .....
Baat kare toh problem nhi kare toh problem....

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