Why Must Every Pakistani Minister Make A Threat Of Nuclear Strike

[Genghis khan1]

Hi,

That is just technical----when the bomb destroys that target----all your money will run out of the country---.

Your reaction is evident of the level of threat that you would perceive to this attack.

I am right about India's jugular vein.




Hi,

I tried it easy to make the article easy to understand---my apologies that you did not---. Some of the indian members here have understood it very well and have responded as such.

Sry,I jumped the gun and went on elaborating Nuclear option. I did get your point, long story short, you are taking about a low blow to Indians with dedicated long range squadrons or atleast show of force. I am pretty sure PAF have already evaluated all their options and might have some plans for it. Even Gen Hamid Gul talked about this many times. So your suggestion isn't something new. In current scenario, credible nuclear defiance serves Pakistan well and saves us money.

 

[MastanKhan]

I did get your point, long story short, you are taking about a low blow to Indians with dedicated long range squadrons or atleast show of force. I am pretty sure PAF have already evaluated all their options and might have some plans for it. Even Gen Hamid Gul talked about this many times. So your suggestion isn't something new. In current scenario, credible nuclear defiance serves Pakistan well and saves us money.

Hi,

This is not a new suggestion---this has been out there for 10 + years---. Next time I am in pakistan---I will see if I can get to meet Raheel Sharif---I will find out what the real issues behind this procurement.

 

[Mav3rick]

Every time when I hear a new Pakistani threat about nuking India, I wonder don't these people think about what will happen when India strikes back with a nuclear attack which will be disproportionate(Indian nuclear weapon policy) and wipe out every life form in pakistan. Their joy of nuking India will be short lived of maybe 20-30 min but what after that?? Even the pakistanis left alive will be exposed to deadly nuclear radiation which will last millions of years. Pakistani will become inhospitable till the end of human life.

Mate, 1 thing is certain, a first Nuclear Strike will also be the 'FINAL', most comprehensive, Nuclear Strike of Pakistan, it will not be a single Nuclear Warhead but rather 'ALL' the Nuclear Warheads in a massive single Nuclear Strike to eliminate the population of India. Pakistanis will be happy for the 20-30 minutes before India gets a chance to use her second strike capability but by then, people in India would not even have a second to rejoice as they would all have been eliminated.

Don't paksitanis value life? Don't people(both politicians and pakistanis on this forum) care about their loved ones? I urge pakistanis to take a look at their families, relatives and friends. Does their life matter more to them than nuking India?? Coz trust me India will straightaway use its nukes on pakistan rather than make empty threats. Not even a a single indian politician or army has ever replied to threats of use of nukes by pakistani politicians and army. And trust me India not replying to such threats shows its true intent. India will reply only pakistani use their nukes.

This shows me that you are more aware of Pakistanis than of Indians, you are not just unaware, you are an ignorant. You do not even realize when the first Nuclear threat was issued, by whom and when!

So I urge pakistanis to talk sane in matters of nukes. They don't realize this but they are making fun of themselves in front of the world with such mind numbing threats. Times have changed, the day India decided that she was ready to take some nukes to end the persistant threat from pakistan for ever, that day will be the end of pakistan.

And now you are posting immature comments. A war, any war, has the potential of escalating into a Nuclear War, from either side. What do you think would happen if India was in a position that her military was overrun by Pakistani military and in a situation where her territorial integrity was at severe threat?

 

[xperia]

If a war really breaks out then the very first thing these ministers ,who are making tall claims and threats, will simply pack up their luggage and flee to europe,dubae,switzerland. etc.
Keyboard warriors will be standing in long queues near some water hand pump with buckets in their hands.There will be complete chaos in the big cities and millions will die in case of a nuclear war.
War is a dangerous thing and the nuclear war will be a havoc for humanity. I may hate the indian govt and armed forces . they may hate ours . But think of the millions of the poor people on both sides of the border living with their kids struggling hard even to get two square meals a day who have got nothing to do against each other.These people will suffer the most.
war is hell even the Prophet SAW instructed the muslims not to pray for war but if the war is imposed on you then fight with determination.
These media people want their channels to be viewed more and more so that they can get rich by some fiery debates regarding use of nuclear weapons and these politicians are trying to get their vote bank increased and to show their solidarity towards pakistan by talking about the use of nukes against india. In reality they will and have been sucking the blood of the poor pakistanis

 

[Stag112]

Pakistani leaders talking irresponsibly fits our narrative very well. As to discussing this from a military strategy point of view, what politicians (PA included) say for public consumption is pretty immaterial anyway.

 

[Super Falcon]

Hi,

Pakistan has nuclear weapons---so Pakistanis make statements of using them. It falls on the shoulders of every Pakistani minister and politician and others to use the option of nuclear threat under any conditions of hostilities.

Nuclear threats were okay when we were poor and destitute---we had no resources---there were sanctions on our military---and we had no choice but using it every time we got cornered.

Gen. Musharraf used it---PM Shaukat Aziz used it---Nawaz Sharif used it---the defense minsiters used it----railways minister used it----and every Durrani---Chaudhry and Syed used it----and it was used in the same context---that we are weaker than our enemy and we will not be able to withstand the military strike.

It has more or less become a habit of ours to use this threat all the time not understanding and not realizing that things have changed a lot.

Today's Pakistan is not the same Pakistan of the 90's or the 80's---. Today's Pakistan is a well off Pakistan---on the road to recovery and wel-being. The financial condition of Pakistan is much stronger today than before.

Pakistans must understand that a nuclear war will bring a total end of life on both the side as it exists today----they must also understand that they have options open to them now that they did not have before.

The options being that if they can strengthen their military a tad bit----they may not have as much of a concern for a war in the coming years. If I can show you the way that for around a sum of 10 billion dollars for the upgrade of the air force----Pakistan can bring down the perceived threat level to minscule.

Because---at current time---Pakistan air force is the real weakest link of the Pakistan military. From being an offensive force of the past----it has become a defensive force by poor management and poor leadership.

This defensive mindset of the air force needs to be changed---and for that---the procurement of the fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from them and be handed over to the commander in chief of the army---if the air force chief cannot make the right decision.

The commander needs to look into two different kinds of aircraft----one as a naval deep strike aircraft and also for Growler type capabilities----like the JH7B with AESA radar----and the second an air superiority---like the J11D or the SU35---. The goal is to have an aircraft that can carry a load of 8000---10000 KG of weapons and have a strike radius of around +- 2000 miles.

Next the investment needs to be in an air launch version of Babur cruise missile. The goal of Pakistan air force needs to be to have the ability to strike deep into the flank of the adversary from over the ocean----.

South India needs to be the target of conventional strikes---south India is the soft belly of Hindustan----that is where the industry is---that is where the money is coming into Hindustan---from south India----the indians control the IT industry----destroy the IT industry hubs of India----and you have hit at the jugular vein.

Hindustan is not concerned about the destruction of bordering states to Pakistan---it will sacrifice the states of Punjab and Gujrat---but if Pakistani deep strikes can reach Mumbai and down below----it is a game changer.

So---my suggestion to our leaders and military is---change your thinking---change your game plan---change according to the times----make changes in you life and death decisions----find ways to bring more destruction into the heart and lower gut of the enemy by conventional means rather than making threats of a nuclear strike.

The usage of these nuclear strike looks so passe and out dated---it looks like the Pakistani military and government has stopped to think about other ways and means to make an offensive move. It looks like that they are clueless and lost---and cannot see their way around---it looks like they have developed a tunnel vision---it looks like Pakistan has agreed to a fatalistic approach towards living.

And I can tell you---that we as a nation do not have to die and neither do our children----the does not need to be destroyed either---all we have to come up is about 2 Billion dollars for around 4 squadrons of JH7B's----around 4 Billion dollars of 3 to 4 squadrons of J11D's or the SU35---spend another 50 million on the Babur cruise missile so that it can be launched from a JH7B ( a current version of the air launched version of Babur cruise missile will give it a range of around 1300--1400 kilometers ).

The induction of these aircraft will give strength and energy to the armed forces---and the ministers will not have to declare a nuclear strike ever time there are hostilities---becuase we know---we can strike the enemy where it hurts the most.

S---let us do something---invest in the air force for these right kind of aircraft. Remember how Air Commodore suggested that India can strike us from the side of Iran with its deep strike capabilities---by flying deep over the arabian sea----let us use the same route but in reverse and strike back at the enemy.

Let us stop using this term of nuclear threat for good.

Very well said awsome planning this is what i was saying if PAF become defencive force let let coas take the charge and buy fighter jets for paf current paf planners are no more kids

Yes we need to hit enemy where it hurt the hardest if we hit 1000 targets in border areas it wont hurt india but if we hit banglore and mumbai india will be down in its knees

Once india knows we have capability to hit them inside india where ever we want they will be on negotiation table

India in last 15 years inducted all types of SAM system just to counter F 16 which was threat now F 16 became a defencive jet rather than hit enemy where it hurts india know our F 16 capability is down to 20 percent and they have control over it how to tackle

Yet paf inducting F 16 which is no more threat to india

Countries like egypt uae indonedia malaysia oman kuwait etc are inducting twin engine fighter jet all these countries dont have threat as pakistan do yet stupidity of PAF prevails

I challange any paf officer come and debate on this issue at the dnd he will agree our paf is at mercy of IAF with Phalcon awacs IAF ruling the skies with quality and quantity of fighter jets

Last 3 decades paf only bought f 16 and jf 17 both share most of sane capability and both armt sea will be prey for IN sam

This is why jh 7 f 18 f 14 were made becoz j 10 and f 16 are at nercy at sea of adversary

J 10 induction also gone to drums

PAF become more of building homes and making promo songs there focus on real job is diverted

 

[Rocketman]

Mate, 1 thing is certain, a first Nuclear Strike will also be the 'FINAL', most comprehensive, Nuclear Strike of Pakistan, it will not be a single Nuclear Warhead but rather 'ALL' the Nuclear Warheads in a massive single Nuclear Strike to eliminate the population of India. Pakistanis will be happy for the 20-30 minutes before India gets a chance to use her second strike capability but by then, people in India would not even have a second to rejoice as they would all have been eliminated.






This shows me that you are more aware of Pakistanis than of Indians, you are not just unaware, you are an ignorant. You do not even realize when the first Nuclear threat was issued, by whom and when!





And now you are posting immature comments. A war, any war, has the potential of escalating into a Nuclear War, from either side. What do you think would happen if India was in a position that her military was overrun by Pakistani military and in a situation where her territorial integrity was at severe threat?

Do you think that your country has intelligence about every nuke india has and its storage area that you are confident enough to take down India's second strike capability. Come on, you cannot be that ignorant.

And please research it yourself about the reasons India had to conduct nuclear test in 1974 in the first place. Hint - Pakistan - China nexus. Other hint - in 1998 when India conducted nuke tests, pakistan also conducted nuke tests in just 15 days hence proving the fact that it already possessed the capability to deploy nukes(from Pakistan - China nexus since late 1960s).

Even if a country's territorial integrity is threatened one should never use nukes because if other country used nukes in retaliation, you country will become a nuclear wasteland and survivors will die painful death eventually. There will be no use of such nuclear wasteland.

Hope this thought goes into your brain and cure your suicidal mindset

 

[Styx]

Pakistani missiles can reach almost all of India

Pakistan has nukes to tip those missiles with

there's your deterrence and offensive capabilities right there.

SU 35 is not happening, J-11 also not possible, can try for JH-7 though

 

[NIA]

Mate, 1 thing is certain, a first Nuclear Strike will also be the 'FINAL', most comprehensive, Nuclear Strike of Pakistan, it will not be a single Nuclear Warhead but rather 'ALL' the Nuclear Warheads in a massive single Nuclear Strike to eliminate the population of India. Pakistanis will be happy for the 20-30 minutes before India gets a chance to use her second strike capability but by then, people in India would not even have a second to rejoice as they would all have been eliminated.





This shows me that you are more aware of Pakistanis than of Indians, you are not just unaware, you are an ignorant. You do not even realize when the first Nuclear threat was issued, by whom and when!





And now you are posting immature comments. A war, any war, has the potential of escalating into a Nuclear War, from either side. What do you think would happen if India was in a position that her military was overrun by Pakistani military and in a situation where her territorial integrity was at severe threat?

Hello,
Pakistan is not going to use her nuclear arsenal unless major number of her armed forces have fallen/ they see difficult to keep invaders at bay.During that time..IA will take out our nukes and point it towards pakistan and indian nuke submarines will be at your coast...by that time IN will have clear domination in that area.Once pakistani nukes detected then a single press on red button can wipe future of whole South asia.

Yes we need to hit enemy where it hurt the hardest if we hit 1000 targets in border areas it wont hurt india but if we hit banglore and mumbai india will be down in its knees

Hey hero..Bangalore and mumbai are not only industrial sectors in india..Unlike for us ...you have only karachi but we have IT sectors and software development offices in every small city..If you want to hit vizag first you should take down delhi and mumbai..As mumbai is hit ...our command takes MAD..its simple..destroying whole sub-continent.
Even elite members are speaking up like kids.

Do you think that your country has intelligence about every nuke india has and its storage area that you are confident enough to take down India's second strike capability. Come on, you cannot be that ignorant.

And please research it yourself about the reasons India had to conduct nuclear test in 1974 in the first place. Hint - Pakistan - China nexus. Other hint - in 1998 when India conducted nuke tests, pakistan also conducted nuke tests in just 15 days hence proving the fact that it already possessed the capability to deploy nukes(from Pakistan - China nexus since late 1960s).

Even if a country's territorial integrity is threatened one should never use nukes because if other country used nukes in retaliation, you country will become a nuclear wasteland and survivors will die painful death eventually. There will be no use of such nuclear wasteland.

Hope this thought goes into your brain and cure your suicidal mindset

Leave them....they won't get chance to launch...even if they launch it won't succeed.

@waz @Jango @WebMaster
Sir this thread has become a trolling season..Plz close ..
Need your action

 

[Donald Trump]

I don't see Pakistan dropping 10 MT device on Mumbai, I guess Pakistan main concern (warnings) is about it's use of tactical Nukes against a large conventional land attack, I guess tactical Nukes are fair game and Pakistan will use it.

10MT device? Have you tested it? Nope!

Tactical nukes? How many are you going to use to stop an Indian thrust? Here's the maths...

For a max 5KT warhead (max 5KT warhead on Nasr which is between 1 to 5 KT)

– Blast and fireball radius 500m or approx < 2 sq km

Integrated Combat Group frontage < > 10 km with two combat teams up. Depth < > 5 km. Total area covered approx 50 sq km.

How many tactical nukes would be required to destroy one CG? - 25 Nasrs (with 5KT warhead. 125 nukes with 1KT warhead).

Initial strike with 10 -15 combat groups simultaneously. Total area covered < > 500 sq km.

Minimum battlefield nukes needed to destroy the CGs > 250 Nasrs with 5KT warhead or 1250 Nasrs with 1KT warhead!

That’s a hell of a lot of Nasrs required! Remember, all tanks and personnel carriers are protected from nuclear radiation. There will be no infantry out in the open.

So, going a step further, 250x5 KT = 1250 KT ie, equal to the yield of 65 Hiroshima atom bombs on Pakistani territory (as these will be employed only after the CGs have penetrated deep into Pakistan and would be used as a last resort!!) And I haven't even got started on an Indian nuclear riposte! Add that to the mix and....Curtains!

What would be left of Eastern Pakistan?

It’s like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

Bottom line: Use of tactical nukes? Bad idea!

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Every time when I hear a new Pakistani threat about nuking India, I wonder don't these people think about what will happen when India strikes back with a nuclear attack which will be disproportionate(Indian nuclear weapon policy) and wipe out every life form in pakistan. Their joy of nuking India will be short lived of maybe 20-30 min but what after that?? Even the pakistanis left alive will be exposed to deadly nuclear radiation which will last millions of years. Pakistani will become inhospitable till the end of human life.

Don't paksitanis value life? Don't people(both politicians and pakistanis on this forum) care about their loved ones? I urge pakistanis to take a look at their families, relatives and friends. Does their life matter more to them than nuking India?? Coz trust me India will straightaway use its nukes on pakistan rather than make empty threats. Not even a a single indian politician or army has ever replied to threats of use of nukes by pakistani politicians and army. And trust me India not replying to such threats shows its true intent. India will reply only pakistani use their nukes.

So I urge pakistanis to talk sane in matters of nukes. They don't realize this but they are making fun of themselves in front of the world with such mind numbing threats. Times have changed, the day India decided that she was ready to take some nukes to end the persistant threat from pakistan for ever, that day will be the end of pakistan.

Question is why Pakistan never use that using nuclear against any other nation.. India is ask for it wanted to test if they still have capacity to use or even think about it ...
It will not effect only Pakistan if India use it back.. it will effect whole world radiation travel with wind as far as to north pole offcourse not as effective as it expose to the place where it hit.. good thing is that Pakistan dont have to use near border india will kill its own people by using in Major cities by border..
Plus nothing gonna live forever if its a fate of the world then its gonna happen... its India who have to behave and stop making stratigy that it can have short war anytime... cuz Pak gonna strick back and its gonna be once for all...

 

[45'22']

Hi,

That is just technical----when the bomb destroys that target----all your money will run out of the country---.

Your reaction is evident of the level of threat that you would perceive to this attack.

I am right about India's jugular vein.




Hi,

I tried it easy to make the article easy to understand---my apologies that you did not---. Some of the indian members here have understood it very well and have responded as such.

You are talking about a total change in doctrine.......if Pak attacks civillians ever wondered what will happen if the air superiority fighters of India start bombing Pakistani civillians
Unlike India....ur cities are quite close to our fwd bases.....gives us more the reason to do a cold start...

Secondly......unless its an nuke...Pak cant do the required damage to IT hubs.......
There are thousands of companies in more than 5 cities .....i am not talking about the smaller cities also...n...how many do you think you can target?

what you are saying is not feasible and possese greater risk

 

[Viny]

Very well said awsome planning this is what i was saying if PAF become defencive force let let coas take the charge and buy fighter jets for paf current paf planners are no more kids

Yes we need to hit enemy where it hurt the hardest if we hit 1000 targets in border areas it wont hurt india but if we hit banglore and mumbai india will be down in its knees

Once india knows we have capability to hit them inside india where ever we want they will be on negotiation table

Highly miscalculated, I would say living in some other universe.
If this was 1980 or 90's this could have hold some ground but in 2015 and ahead its a wild far fetched thought.
Firstly Pakistan in no USA and India is no Afganisthan. If Pakistan hits any major city in India, Pakisthan will cease to exist, forget about thinking of any negotiations. No Indian govenrment will go for ceasefire atleast against Pakistan after losing any major city, knowing how poor pakistan stands currently against India and secondly 1billion plus people of the land will neither allow the government to pull back nor it can if it has to form government in any time in future, only solution would be clean up the neighbour for once and all.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hi,

Pakistan has nuclear weapons---so Pakistanis make statements of using them. It falls on the shoulders of every Pakistani minister and politician and others to use the option of nuclear threat under any conditions of hostilities.

Nuclear threats were okay when we were poor and destitute---we had no resources---there were sanctions on our military---and we had no choice but using it every time we got cornered.

Gen. Musharraf used it---PM Shaukat Aziz used it---Nawaz Sharif used it---the defense minsiters used it----railways minister used it----and every Durrani---Chaudhry and Syed used it----and it was used in the same context---that we are weaker than our enemy and we will not be able to withstand the military strike.

It has more or less become a habit of ours to use this threat all the time not understanding and not realizing that things have changed a lot.

Today's Pakistan is not the same Pakistan of the 90's or the 80's---. Today's Pakistan is a well off Pakistan---on the road to recovery and wel-being. The financial condition of Pakistan is much stronger today than before.

Pakistans must understand that a nuclear war will bring a total end of life on both the side as it exists today----they must also understand that they have options open to them now that they did not have before.

The options being that if they can strengthen their military a tad bit----they may not have as much of a concern for a war in the coming years. If I can show you the way that for around a sum of 10 billion dollars for the upgrade of the air force----Pakistan can bring down the perceived threat level to minscule.

Because---at current time---Pakistan air force is the real weakest link of the Pakistan military. From being an offensive force of the past----it has become a defensive force by poor management and poor leadership.

This defensive mindset of the air force needs to be changed---and for that---the procurement of the fighter aircraft needs to be taken away from them and be handed over to the commander in chief of the army---if the air force chief cannot make the right decision.

The commander needs to look into two different kinds of aircraft----one as a naval deep strike aircraft and also for Growler type capabilities----like the JH7B with AESA radar----and the second an air superiority---like the J11D or the SU35---. The goal is to have an aircraft that can carry a load of 8000---10000 KG of weapons and have a strike radius of around +- 2000 miles.

Next the investment needs to be in an air launch version of Babur cruise missile. The goal of Pakistan air force needs to be to have the ability to strike deep into the flank of the adversary from over the ocean----.

South India needs to be the target of conventional strikes---south India is the soft belly of Hindustan----that is where the industry is---that is where the money is coming into Hindustan---from south India----the indians control the IT industry----destroy the IT industry hubs of India----and you have hit at the jugular vein.

Hindustan is not concerned about the destruction of bordering states to Pakistan---it will sacrifice the states of Punjab and Gujrat---but if Pakistani deep strikes can reach Mumbai and down below----it is a game changer.

So---my suggestion to our leaders and military is---change your thinking---change your game plan---change according to the times----make changes in you life and death decisions----find ways to bring more destruction into the heart and lower gut of the enemy by conventional means rather than making threats of a nuclear strike.

The usage of these nuclear strike looks so passe and out dated---it looks like the Pakistani military and government has stopped to think about other ways and means to make an offensive move. It looks like that they are clueless and lost---and cannot see their way around---it looks like they have developed a tunnel vision---it looks like Pakistan has agreed to a fatalistic approach towards living.

And I can tell you---that we as a nation do not have to die and neither do our children----the does not need to be destroyed either---all we have to come up is about 2 Billion dollars for around 4 squadrons of JH7B's----around 4 Billion dollars of 3 to 4 squadrons of J11D's or the SU35---spend another 50 million on the Babur cruise missile so that it can be launched from a JH7B ( a current version of the air launched version of Babur cruise missile will give it a range of around 1300--1400 kilometers ).

The induction of these aircraft will give strength and energy to the armed forces---and the ministers will not have to declare a nuclear strike ever time there are hostilities---becuase we know---we can strike the enemy where it hurts the most.

S---let us do something---invest in the air force for these right kind of aircraft. Remember how Air Commodore suggested that India can strike us from the side of Iran with its deep strike capabilities---by flying deep over the arabian sea----let us use the same route but in reverse and strike back at the enemy.

Let us stop using this term of nuclear threat for good.

salaam mastan saheb

so in short : is this thread about
1.pakistani celabrities and national leaders using/misusing neuclear threat

2.peace with india

3.lack of long range strategic bomber in PAF

or you yourself dont know

 

[The Ultranationalist]

We can only progress if we can strike back at their weakest point---ie---south india and still stay conventional---. That is what my goal and target is.




Yeahhhhhhhh----see---Pakistanis-----now you hear the screams----economic hubs-----. Smash them to smithereens----. I guarantee that with just 5 to 10 strikes on day one of the war----on indian IT hubs----and Indian IT industry is history---. All the call centers and money will be gone just like that.

This Jinns life is hiding in the call centers----destroy the call centers and the Jinn will die.

even our weakest point(weak as per your thinking) is way too strong for the pakistani military coz the coastal water of the south India are the playground for our navy. so I congratulate you for you having deep strategic thinking and understanding. I advise pakistani navy to not to venture into Indian waters unless it has death wish.

secondly, you said something about call centress, so you think that the Indian economy is run by call centres only, great thinking again. so during next India pakistan war the newspaper headlines will read,'' karachi and gwadar ports set ablaze by Indian nqvy while 6 pak jf17s intercepted and shot down by IAF Mirages when they attacked call centres in Banglore