Why Musharaf did not take any action at that time when our agencies knew about Altaf's Indian links?

[LeGenD]

What a load of BS!!!!

Akbar Bugti was feudal power hungry murderous thug who murdered/killed Balochis especially many members of the Bugti tribes who didn't side with him in his anti Pakistan agenda and removed them from Balochistan.

Those patriotic Bugtis/Balochis were forced to leave their lands in Balochistan and were living in South Punjab in self exile before Musharraf took action and they settled back in their native lands in Balochistan and then those patriots started action against Akbar Bugti and his terrorist militias.

The Balochi Bugti tribes themselves declared Akbar Bugti to be a traitor/terrorist.

That SOB blew up gas pipelines, railway tracks, electricity infrastructure. No schools were allowed to be built in his areas. He kept the local population uneducated and poor infrastructure while he lived in his mansions.

He deserved a bullet in his head and he got it.

See this thread below

https://twitter.com/x/status/901447217155846144

Agreed, bro.

Musharraf's crackdown on Bugti feudal mafia was spot on - one of his finest.

 

[war&peace]

why to blame musharaf only for this,at present many such antiPakistan mqm members are part of ik govt and their hearts are with AltafHussain even today but they are gone in to dormant mode and will again become active when some kind of civil unrest occurs and circumstances become favorable for them to operate terrorist wings

Stop being a mindless patwari. The whole of MQM was not traitor like the whole of PMLn is not traitor either. Mostly it is the top leadership. Both AH and Nawaz Shareef are traitors and both should be treated as such.

Dear, in Pakistan, its either one way feudal, or the other way.
Insaf se na hamain rehna aata hai, or na ham chahtay hain.

You need to learn how to express yourself. It is not other people's fault when they all disagree with you because your lack of wisdom. You openly started supporting the terrorist. And here most of us are against NS and Zardari i.e PMLn and PPP as well except one or two patwaris.

 

[Yaseen1]

single person cannot commit any crime unless he get support from community,musharaf also provided same logic for supporting mqm that he has changed mqm and they are now loyal to nation but they again started killing people in karachi and even now large cache of arms are recovered from karachi if police or rangers raid their sleeper cells

Stop being a mindless patwari. The whole of MQM was not traitor like the whole of PMLn is not traitor either. Mostly it is the top leadership. Both AH and Nawaz Shareef are traitors and both should be treated as such.


You need to learn how to express yourself. It is not other people's fault when they all disagree with you because your lack of wisdom. You openly started supporting the terrorist. And here most of us are against NS and Zardari i.e PMLn and PPP as well except one or two patwaris.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Stop being a mindless patwari. The whole of MQM was not traitor like the whole of PMLn is not traitor either. Mostly it is the top leadership. Both AH and Nawaz Shareef are traitors and both should be treated as such.


You need to learn how to express yourself. It is not other people's fault when they all disagree with you because your lack of wisdom. You openly started supporting the terrorist. And here most of us are against NS and Zardari i.e PMLn and PPP as well except one or two patwaris.

Altaf is a traitor and a terrorist, no doubt.
But its the chickens who lays eggs, not the egg.
Pakistan has turned into a traitor making machine, and that was my point. Its my country, and I will speak, whatever I think is right for it. Majority was never my target, as I learned it from Muhammad SW, and majority was initially against him, ban world majority is still against him.
So, we must correct people. Pakistan ko terbiat ki zaroorat hai.

 

[Moon]

Altaf is a traitor and a terrorist, no doubt.
But its the chickens who lays eggs, not the egg.
Pakistan has turned into a traitor making machine, and that was my point. Its my country, and I will speak, whatever I think is right for it. Majority was never my target, as I learned it from Muhammad SW, and majority was initially against him, ban world majority is still against him.
So, we must correct people. Pakistan ko terbiat ki zaroorat hai.

Problem is: the Holy Prophet was right and you're wrong.

 

[Baghial]

Ghar Wapsi

gutter maain moah hy abb

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pak HC in New Delhi feted Altaf despite his anti-Pak speech

ISLAMABAD: Within a few days after Altaf Hussain made a highly controversial speech against Pakistan at a seminar in New Delhi’s Taj Mahal Hotel in 2004, the-then Pakistani high commissioner to India was forced by Islamabad to invite the MQM chief to a dinner.

Though the officials of the high commission were really down and angry over what Altaf Hussain had said in New Delhi, the-then high commissioner, Aziz Ahmad Khan, had to invite him because of pressure from Islamabad. Aziz Khan was reminded that Altaf Hussain’sparty was Musharraf regime’s ally. Consequently, the Pakistan High Commission had to settle for a “private dinner” in honour of the person who had just said, “The division of the Sub-continent was the biggest blunder... it was not the division of land, it was the division of blood....”

Aziz Khan was not available for his comments; sources close to him, however, confirmed that he had to fete Altaf under pressure from Islamabad. The high commission had timely reported to the Foreign Office about the contents of Altaf’s speech.

Instead of taking action, the Musharraf regime directed the high commission to fete the MQM chief and his leaders present there on the occasion.Retired bureaucrats and the then Press Minister at the Pakistani High Commission in India, Rai Riaz Hussain, when contacted, said that he was an eyewitness to Altaf’s speech at the Hindustan Times Conclave at Hotel Taj Mahal, New Delhi, in Nov 2004.

“At the very outset, I admit that it was the worst day of my life when I heard Altaf’s speech on the enemy’s soil. He had some phrases written in English and some portions of the speech were delivered in Urdu, extempore. Perhaps, the English portion was a script given from somewhere,” Rai Riaz said.

He reminded that Altaf Hussain said in his speech that when he landed at the New Delhi airport he saw right, he saw left, he saw up and he saw down and felt like home. Rai Riaz said then Altaf Hussain termed

the division of India as the biggest blunder in the history.
“After some frivolous sentences, he shouted in Urdu, conveying ‘We are blamed and maltreated for being Mohajirs in Pakistan. Now if we are maltreated as being Mohajirs, we will seek shelter from you (India)’,” Riaz said, adding that then the MQM chief posed a direct question to the audience, and said, “Dilli walo, bolo hamein panah do gey?” (People of Delhi, will you give us shelter?)

There was total silence in the hall where gentry, top intellectuals, diplomats and senior journalists were present, Rai recalled, and said that Altaf repeated this question to the audience thrice. When he received no answer, he said, “Perhaps, I have asked a difficult question.”

The former press minister in the Pakistani High Commission in India said that on this situation, the diplomats of Pakistan were totally stunned and felt embarrassed at such utterances. “The report was sent to the government by me as Minister (Press) and released to Pakistani press. It was published here. We were highly disturbed but to our utter surprise, the ambassador invited the MQM delegation to a dinner at the hotel they were staying,” he said, adding that upon his protest the High Commissioner Aziz Ahmad Khan said, “Yar oper sey hukm hai (I have been commanded from the top to do so).”

Rai said Gen Musharraf was upset why the high commission did not host the MQM delegation. “This was a very sad chapter of my life,” Riaz said. He added that prior to Altaf’s arrival in New Delhi, the road from the airport to the hotel was decorated by Altaf’s pictures and welcoming banners which was unusual.

It should be noted that most of the remarks made by Altaf in New Delhi were denied by the MQM. The party leaders said Altaf’s remarks were misinterpreted.When this correspondent approached a source close to Musharraf, he said on condition of not being named that it was wrong to say that the Musharraf government had ordered its High Commission in India to fete Altaf.
Source

https://twitter.com/x/status/719947511255953408

https://twitter.com/x/status/769168947115614209

It's difficult to know how many murder cases have been registered against Altaf Hussain, but perhaps the most authoritative number was released in 2009 when the then Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf implemented his National Reconciliation Order, granting most of the country's senior politicians an amnesty. One of the biggest beneficiaries was Hussain, against 72 cases were dropped, including 31 allegations of murder. The MQM rejects all the murder charges lodged against Hussain.

Musharraf and altaf both are traitors and should be brought to justice.

This is exactly why I complain about MQM and regard them the biggest threat and traitors to Pakistan. Here on PDF the PTM and Mohsin Dawar get the flak. Note here I am not defending PTM or a supporter of that group. I think they have a agenda that is using genuine grievances but even then compared to MQM they are nursery children. To give a idea what would people say if PTM ~

• formed part of PMIK's federal government in Islamabad?
• formed the ruling provincial government in K-Pk in Peshawar.
• Mohsin Dawar as the leader that effectively ruled K-Pk and was coalition in Islamabad with PMIK went to India and made such remarks about Pakistan/
• then Mohsin Dawar given lunch and official reception by Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi under orders of PMIK.
  
• Had 100s of outstanding murder charges against him that were NRO'ed by PMIK?
• was hailed as the 'leader' by Peshawar?

Yet all this is skirted around on PDF. Don't forget after this event in 2004 Altah bhai remained the undisputed 'leader' to millions in Karachi for another ten years plus until the army eventually turfed him out lately. Most of his acolytes are still there in the ruling elite of that city. And people talk about traitors.

@Nilgiri @Mangus Ortus Novem

Mushraf is largely responsible for where Pakistan is today, he let Altaf, Nawaz & Zardari, those traitors go.

Honestly Musharaf did more damage then Altaf bhai, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Vin Diesel combined. Amongst the biggest if not the single biggest disaster that struck Pakistan was Musharaf.

 

[B.K.N]

compared to MQM they are nursery children. To give a idea what would people say if PTM ~

You think they will remain children all their lives mqm is history and due to this Pashto language nationalism Pakistan started supporting opposition in Afghanistan

 

[war&peace]

Altaf is a traitor and a terrorist, no doubt.
But its the chickens who lays eggs, not the egg.
Pakistan has turned into a traitor making machine, and that was my point. Its my country, and I will speak, whatever I think is right for it. Majority was never my target, as I learned it from Muhammad SW, and majority was initially against him, ban world majority is still against him.
So, we must correct people. Pakistan ko terbiat ki zaroorat hai.

I partially agree with you but you and most other people lack the knowledge of history. Although we got independence in 1947 from the British, it is a partial independence even after 70 years because we inherited the establishment (bureaucracy, military, judiciary, the aristocracy) from the British India. These institutions were created to keep the people of the subcontinent subjugated and slaves. They used to call bloody Indians before 1947 and it got replaced with bloody civilian after 1947. They drink and engage all sorts of moral ills. Like the judge Arshad Malik was drinking...do you think he is the only judge who drinks? Most of your bureaucrats, politicians drink even today.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Problem is: the Holy Prophet was right and you're wrong.

Yes he was, and about me, Time will tell.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You think they will remain children all their lives mqm is history and due to this Pashto language nationalism Pakistan started supporting opposition in Afghanistan

I was looking at the facts as they exist. Tangible facts that you seem to gloss over to reinforce your narrative. What 'the children' will grow into is to be seen. However I was looking at the adults who have staggering record and removing Altaf overlooks the fact that he had mass saupport and a huge organization underneath him that worshipped Altaf bhai like Das Fuhrer of the Nazis. Getting rid of Hitler did not mean Nazism was erased. It still continued to beat in million hearts.

I partially agree with you but you and most other people lack the knowledge of history. Although we got independence in 1947 from the British, it is a partial independence after 70 years because we inherited the establishment (bureaucracy, military, judiciary, the aristocracy) from the British India. These institutions were created to keep the people of the subcontinent subjugated and slaves. They used to call bloody Indians before 1947 and it got replaced with bloody civilian after 1947. They drink and engage all sorts of moral ills. Like the judge Arshad Malik was drinking...do you think he is the only judge who drinks? Most of your bureaucrats, politicians drink even today.

The very state of Pakistan is a legacy of British. If you wanted to find the nearest desi entity free from British influence you would have to go to the Sikh Raj back in 1849. The very British heritage establishment, good or bad is what keeps Pakistan together as a state intact. Sans that it would fall apart along ethnic, sectarian, tribal lines etc.

 

[fitpOsitive]

I partially agree with you but you and most other people lack the knowledge of history. Although we got independence in 1947 from the British, it is a partial independence after 70 years because we inherited the establishment (bureaucracy, military, judiciary, the aristocracy) from the British India. These institutions were created to keep the people of the subcontinent subjugated and slaves. They used to call bloody Indians before 1947 and it got replaced with bloody civilian after 1947. They drink and engage all sorts of moral ills. Like the judge Arshad Malik was drinking...do you think he is the only judge who drinks? Most of your bureaucrats, politicians drink even today.

Yes, I agree.
Here is funny part : we don't take the pain to form orgs and departments for our own needs. West had established most of departments who "run" Pakistan. These departments get regular trainings in West, and that's how West maintain her dominance on us. We were not incapable, but we were made systematic what we are at present.
Even Mr Bajwa received some training from west.
These guys may be patriot, may be capable, but neither their patriotism nor their capability is of our use, just like Imran Khan. They are systematically programmed to think in a particular way, which doesn't belong to Pakistan yet.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Mqm and altaf Bhai asked for Indian help later,during nawa era.remember Nawaz is the only leader who targeted muhajirs without any reason.no maps were found in 92.also during Musharraf era,Karachi flourished.haters will hate but reality is clearly different.musharraf did everything right during his tenure.politicians from ppp and pmln doesn't deserve a seat in parliament.look what they have done to our country.kindly look at our economy during Musharraf era and look at it now.mullah regime already hate Musharraf because of Lal masjid incident but look at our country now, terrorism everywhere.you can't blame Musharraf for the corruption of political parties.also nawaz started crackdown against muhajirs in Karachi during his last term.whatever altaf said was terrible and action after altaf calls for Indian help was reasonable.rangers destroyed all sectors and it's good.as a neutral observer,I can't blame everything on mqm.nawaz was a known hater of mqm and 92 operation only created hate which we have seen during crackdown on mqm members.whatever happened with Nawaz after mqm destruction is also funny.

 

[zulu]

When we did anything on time ?from mukhti bahni to Mqm.than Bla,TLP,MUllah FAzal ullah of sawat,than PTm now evidences surface up about NS and his connection (ramzan sugar mills indian employees and many more ) through Jandal.JAb tak pani sar sy guzray naa hum sootay rehty hain

 

[Goku]

I partially agree with you but you and most other people lack the knowledge of history. Although we got independence in 1947 from the British, it is a partial independence after 70 years because we inherited the establishment (bureaucracy, military, judiciary, the aristocracy) from the British India. These institutions were created to keep the people of the subcontinent subjugated and slaves. They used to call bloody Indians before 1947 and it got replaced with bloody civilian after 1947. They drink and engage all sorts of moral ills. Like the judge Arshad Malik was drinking...do you think he is the only judge who drinks? Most of your bureaucrats, politicians drink even today.

Probably every Indian and Pakistani except elites offcourse will agree to this paragraph of yours.
We are still the slaves of the British as we still continue to use their system.
Bureaucrats still think they are kings and people are their servants
Judiciary still behaves like Supreme Gods , eg In India one judge issued contempt of court orders just because one man didn't greet him or something petty reason