Why Malaysia is riskier than India, Indonesia

[Aepsilons]

It has nothing to do with religion actually...the system is totally based on bumiputera ....meaning child of the soil which is the Malay constitutes of 7 tribes if you wish...

Which goes back to support my point. They have a racial preferential treatment. A system that effectively places some 40-45% of their country as second class citizens.

Trust me dude, i've been to Kuala Lumpur and have friends who are Chinese Malaysians. They are very vocal about this system; and are against it. This is the reason a lot of Chinese Malaysians leave Malaysia for say.. Singapore or the west.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Japan does not have a preferential system that treats segments of the Japanese population in tiers. We do not put preference for one ethnic group of Japanese over another. All Japanese are equal before the law.

Now, if you are referring to immigrants, that is another issue. As immigrants they are subject to laws and rights for immigrants.

In regards to Malaysia; it does not matter if you speak Malay, are muslim, but if you are not Malay-Malaysia, you do not get the first choice in posts in government and in the military. You could be a muslim , Chinese-Malaysian, but your muslim, Malay-Malaysian will receive the first choice.

Thank you for admitting foreigners and immigrants are subjected to draconian laws!

You are divulging from the topic. Foreign investors are least bothered about what rights a Malay has over a Chinese-Malay, all they care about is their precious $'s. You are blowing it out of proportion, to justify your position.

Come on admit it, the only reason Japan went for the Philippines is not because of the education level, or the natural resources, or the infrastructure, but because of POLITICS!!!

Any further investment into Malaysia could have actually created a competitor on par with you!

 

[Dubious]

The concept of a bumiputra ethnic group in Malaysia was coined by Tunku Abdul Rahman. It recognized the "special position" of the Malays provided in the Federal Constitution of Malaysia, in particular Article 153. But, the constitution does not use the term "bumiputra"; it defines only "Malay" and "indigenous peoples" (Article 160(2)),"natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)), and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6) (b)). Definitions of bumiputra in public use vary among different institutions, organizations, and government departments and agencies.

In the book Buku Panduan Kemasukan ke Institusi Pengajian Tinggi Awam, Program Pengajian Lepasan SPM/Setaraf Sesi Akademik 2007/2008 (Guidebook for entry into public higher learning institutions for SPM/equivalent graduates for academic year 2007/2008), the Malaysian Higher Education Ministry defined bumiputra as follows, depending on the region of origin of the individual applicant:

1. Peninsular Malaysia
   • "If one of the parents is Muslim Malay/Orang Asli as stated in Article 160 (2) Federal Constitution of Malaysia; thus the child is considered as a Bumiputra"
2. Sabah
   • "If one of the parents is a Muslim Malay or indigenous native of Sabah as stated in Article 160A (6)(a) Federal Constitution of Malaysia; thus his child is considered as a Bumiputra"
3. Sarawak
   • "If both of the parent are indigenous natives of Sarawak as stated in Article 160A (6)(b) Federal Constitution of Malaysia; thus their child is considered as a Bumiputra"

In addition to the interpretation given above, a broader definition of bumiputra include groups such as the Indonesian Pribumis, Malaysian Siamese, Muslim Indian Malaysians, Straits Chinese or Peranakan, Khmer people and the Kristang people of Portuguese-Eurasian descent. Most of these encompass the community that have been established in southeast Asia prior to the arrival of the British colonist that have forever altered the demographic of Malaysia. Others[who?] favour a definition encompassing all children of Bumiputra; there have been notable cases of people with one Bumiputra parent and one non-Bumiputra parent being dismissed as non-Bumiputra.

 

[Luftwaffe]

No, Malaysia is not as secure as the Philippines. There is a state sponsored racial preference treatment in Malaysia called Bumiputera, their version of Affirmative Action. Effectively placing importance of ethnic Malays over Chinese - Malaysians and Indian- Malaysians.

I have been both to Malaysia and the PHilippines, and I prefer the Philippines hands down. People are much more welcoming, society is very open.

My experience is the opposite when it comes to Philippines and I feel saddened when i see th conditions of those people how Gov of Philippine is the most corrupt and fed and turned into corrupt by US mainly.

 

[Aepsilons]

Thank you for admitting foreigners and immigrants are subjected to draconian laws!

You are divulging from the topic. Foreign investors are least bothered about what rights a Malay has over a Chinese-Malay, all they care about is their precious $'s. You are blowing it out of proportion, to justify your position.

Come on admit it, the only reason Japan went for the Philippines is not because of the education level, or the natural resources, or the infrastructure, but because of POLITICS!!!

Any further investment into Malaysia could have actually created a competitor on par with you!

The Malay-controlled government ensures that all Bumiputras of Malay origin are given preferential treatment when it comes to the number of student places in Government universities, they are also given 7% discounts for new houses purchased by them, special Malay reserve land in most housing settlements, burial plots in most urban areas for the deceased Bumiputeras while the rest have to be cremated at such locations or pay premium prices, that all key government positions to be held by Malays including most sporting associations, a minimum of a 30% Malay Bumiputera equity to be held in Listed Companies, full funding for mosques and Islamic places of worship, special high earning interest trust funds for Bumiputera Malays, special share allocation for new share applications for Bumiputera Malays, making the Malay language a compulsory examination paper to pass with such high emphasis given to it.

The lack of meritocracy in the Malaysian education system is a concern, the problem is it creates more disparity between various groups in Malaysia. Even school text books have been criticised as racist especially from Chinese and Indian type school who adopted learing methods from their main land country.

Reference: Centre for Advanced Studies on Islam, Science and Civilisation » “The Malay Language and its role in nation building”- Summary of Saturday Night Lecture 14th September 2013

BBC News - Malaysia questions ethnic preferences

Any further investment into Malaysia could have actually created a competitor on par with you!

LOL. I hardly think Malaysia can compete with Japan.

 

[Dubious]

Which goes back to support my point. They have a racial preferential treatment. A system that effectively places some 40-45% of their country as second class citizens.

Trust me dude, i've been to Kuala Lumpur and have friends who are Chinese Malaysians. They are very vocal about this system; and are against it. This is the reason a lot of Chinese Malaysians leave Malaysia for say.. Singapore or the west.

I think you clearly have no understanding of the concept you are trying to portray....

You cant distinguish political and strategical partners with fear of investors

you cant distinguish religion from race....

You know when people start saying trust me dude...that is the time I back out and am sure they know nothing....Chinese are vocal about everything...they own more of the business in Malaysia and have their right to be upset when Malays who lets say have become lazy due to benefits dont do equal amounts of work...

As I have said before there is no doubt there is some social problem...but if you acknowledge that of Malaysia may I bring your attention to UK as well

 

[Aepsilons]

My experience is the opposite when it comes to Philippines and I feel saddened when i see th conditions of those people how Gov of Philippine is the most corrupt and fed and turned into corrupt by US mainly.

They have developed massively , brother. You need to visit the provinces of Cebu, Iloilo, Negros Occidental, Leyte, Misamis Oriental, Davao Del Norte and many provinces in Mindanao. They are exceedingly investor friendly!

I think you clearly have no understanding of the concept you are trying to portray....

You cant distinguish political and strategical partners with fear of investors

you cant distinguish religion from race....

You know when people start saying trust me dude...that is the time I back out and am sure they know nothing....Chinese are vocal about everything...they own more of the business in Malaysia and have their right to be upset when Malays who lets say have become lazy due to benefits dont do equal amounts of work...

As I have said before there is no doubt there is some social problem...but if you acknowledge that of Malaysia may I bring your attention to UK as well

I know very well the issue going on in the UK and am against that. As for Malaysia, we can only hope that they will do away with their Bumiputera system. Look at Indonesia , they don't have such a system and progressed quite well. Same for Brunei.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Thank you for admitting foreigners and immigrants are subjected to draconian laws!

You are divulging from the topic. Foreign investors are least bothered about what rights a Malay has over a Chinese-Malay, all they care about is their precious $'s. You are blowing it out of proportion, to justify your position.

Come on admit it, the only reason Japan went for the Philippines is not because of the education level, or the natural resources, or the infrastructure, but because of POLITICS!!!

Any further investment into Malaysia could have actually created a competitor on par with you!

dude are immigrants treated fairly in UAE ? no certainly not , its common sense immigrants & citizen's are not the same thing, immigrants are foreign nationals & not local citizen's , the bumiputra systems discriminates among its own citizen's
now that's plain discrimination , countries are not responsible for treating foreign nationals with equality, but it definitely is responsible when it comes to its own citizens

 

[Dubious]

Responding towards Lim Kit Siang’s claim that making the Malay Language the national language is racist and chauvinistic, Prof. al-Attas argued that Malays cannot be accused as racist because a Chinese who becomes a Muslim and speaks the Malay Language can be considered a Malay. A Malay, however, can never be a Chinese.

Prof. Al-Attas stated that the discourse on the Malay Language was later hijacked by journalists of socialist inclinations, who put the language and its destiny at the hands of people and not of knowledge. Despite being the majority, the Malays were unable to determine its own destiny because they were disunited, especially with the pervading influence of the Modernists at that point of time. It seems that history has repeated itself in the handling of the Kalimah Allah controversy where unity among the Malays is necessary. Prof. al-Attas rebukes those supporters of rights and freedom for the Christians to use the term Allah in the Malay Language Bible, stating that responsibility to uphold what is right and just is prior to freedom and rights. Since everyone is responsible for himself to conform and submit to justice, and that to do justice one must have knowledge, it logically follows that real freedom and rights is freedom from ignorance

From your article Centre for Advanced Studies on Islam, Science and Civilisation » “The Malay Language and its role in nation building”- Summary of Saturday Night Lecture 14th September 2013

I know very well the issue going on in the UK and am against that. As for Malaysia, we can only hope that they will do away with their Bumiputera system. Look at Indonesia , they don't have such a system and progressed quite well. Same for Brunei.

Indonesia has other problems...

Brunei does have a Malay only bench...MIB - Melayu Islam Beraja

But you are just jumping around now...Because Indonesia and Brunei both have not progressed as much as Malaysia! its laughable you even tried to compare these!

 

[Aepsilons]

dude are immigrants treated in UEA no it certainly does not , its common sense immigrants & citizen's are not the same thing, immigrants are foreign nationals & not local citizen's , the bumiputra systems discriminates among its own citizen's
now that's plain discrimination , countries are not responsible for treating foreign nationals with equality, but it definitely is responsible when it comes to its own citizens

Precisely. The same here in the United States; American citizens are afforded greater rights than resident aliens. But for Malaysia, even as citizens, some will be treated better than others simply on racial background.

From your article Centre for Advanced Studies on Islam, Science and Civilisation » “The Malay Language and its role in nation building”- Summary of Saturday Night Lecture 14th September 2013


Indonesia has other problems...

Brunei does have a Malay only bench...MIB - Melayu Islam Beraja

But you are just jumping around now...

You're evading the point that these two countries DO NOT HAVE a Bumiputera system as Malaysia.

 

[Dubious]

You're evading the point that these two countries DO NOT HAVE a Bumiputera system as Malaysia.

I dont know about Indonesia I just told you about Brunei MIB...but I guess you cant recognize what you dont know

dude are immigrants treated in UEA no it certainly does not , its common sense immigrants & citizen's are not the same thing, immigrants are foreign nationals & not local citizen's , the bumiputra systems discriminates among its own citizen's
now that's plain discrimination , countries are not responsible for treating foreign nationals with equality, but it definitely is responsible when it comes to its own citizens

We have more countries discriminating against its own...but I dont see that much havoc there...why the selective bullying?

 

[Aepsilons]

@Indos , @madokafc ,

May I ask if there is a system similar to Bumiputera in the Republic of Indonesia? Thank You Sir and Ma'am.

 

[Jlaw]

My premise is based on 2 facets: 1) personal experience in visiting Malaysia and the Philippines, 2) the social issue of Bumiputera system, and the article i shared with you and in another thread.

I am laying the facts strait to you, friend, and it is this: 1) Japan will make the Philippines into our industrial and manufacturing hub in ASEAN, 2) Japan will also continue its investments and economic relations with other ASEAN countries, 3) India is an economic partner for Japan and they provide a plethora of opportunities for investors in the IT, and manufacturing.

I think I found a pattern to your posts. Every rebuttal, you claim to have lived in that country for a year or so, or have a cousin who lives there and feed you the news.
I certainly don't believe you have lived in all these countries you mentioned for a long period of time. Even ifor you did, that does not make you an expert analyst of that country.
Frankly there have been rumors that you are not Japanese. Your avatar is most likely not you as you were busted by @acetophenol

 

[genmirajborgza786]

I think you clearly have no understanding of the concept you are trying to portray....

You cant distinguish political and strategical partners with fear of investors

you cant distinguish religion from race....

You know when people start saying trust me dude...that is the time I back out and am sure they know nothing....Chinese are vocal about everything...they own more of the business in Malaysia and have their right to be upset when Malays who lets say have become lazy due to benefits dont do equal amounts of work...

As I have said before there is no doubt there is some social problem...but if you acknowledge that of Malaysia may I bring your attention to UK as well

UK what are you talking about ? first of all the U.K does not have an official apartheid system like bumiputra ,Malaysia does , so there's no comparison between the two, in the U.K you can have a clown like lord Nazeer ( of foreign baground) being a member of parliament ! & a guy like Amir khan who stays in the British, eats in the British, is a British citizen & he has the gall to wrap the flag of his native land instead of the Union Jack ! ,& U.K still tolerates that , that is called tolerance & equality & you talk , can you even think of something like this in Malaysia ?

 

[Dubious]

UK what are you talking about ? first of all the U.K does not have an official apartheid system like bumiputra ,Malaysia does , so there's no comparison between the two, in the U.K you can have clown like lord Nazeer ( of foreign baground) being a member of parliament & a guy like Amir khan who stays in the British, eats in the British, is a British citizen & he has the gall to wrap the flag of his native land ! instead of the Union Jack ,& U.K still tolerates that , that is called tolerance & equality & you talk , can you even think of something like this Malaysia ?

Just coz it is not official does it mean it doesnt exist? Explain this forms you have to fill and indicate your race to the point of country of origin? post 43

Tolerance and equal of success stories can be erected from Malaysia too

I think I found a pattern to your posts. Every rebuttal, you claim to have lived in that country for a year or so, or have a cousin who lives there and feed you the news.
I certainly don't believe you have lived in all these countries you mentioned for a long period of time. Even ifor you did, that does not make you an expert analyst of that country.
Frankly there have been rumors that you are not Japanese. Your avatar is most likely not you as you were busted by @acetophenol

I was wondering the same....but I cant seem to juice enough out...

1 thing for sure he doesnt even know what he is talking about when it comes to S.E.Asia....

Just coz you have visited a place doesnt automatically make you an expert on the subject! Try living there for say 2-5 yrs! Few months and you still can be considered a guest! Of course it becomes worse if you want to talk to those who are politically influenced and well I dont know fail to see it! I dont see anything balance coming from that!

I went to the states for couple of months ...now does that make me an expert on NYC? Just coz I talked to 10-20 friends or the fact I have family there does that contribute to everything to the point drilling in on 1 article?