Why Khafee banned again....vote to un-bann Khafee.

[M.Bison]

Dude its rampant. There is a lot of Hindus here who outright curse the prophet (PBUH). They call him a liar (auzubillah).. and say that the quranic stories are a myth like the Bhagwat Gita.

It is not just the Hindus there are seculars here who in their jahilia mock Islam outwardly. They are so entrenched with hatred towards Muslims and Islam that they side with the kuffar.

Ahmadiyya should not be allowed to preach period. Their legacy is of mischief and deceit. Their Kazab prophet calls all Muslims that don't believe in him a kaffir. So why would you defend someone who calls you a kafir?
I've only seen 1 group defend the Ahmadiyya and that should speak volumes. That group is Hindus no one else talks about them ever.

 

[Suff Shikan]

A guy claiming to be a muslim, was repeatedly writing derogatory remarks about the our beloved Prophet SAW. @Khafee Sahib called him out and during the exchange called him a Qadiyani. @Khafee Sahib got banned.

Thats injustice

I'm in full agreement with this. @Khafee should be unbanned.

Me 2

 

[StormBreaker]

And recognition of Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius and Krishna as prophets. That's the equivalent of equating George Washington to any of the prophets.


According to the Ahmadiyya belief, the technical Islamic terms "warner" (natheer), "prophet" (nabi), "messenger" (rasul) and "envoy" (mursal) are synonymous in meaning. However, there are two kinds of prophethood as understood by the Community: Law-bearing prophets, who bring a new law and dispensation, such as Moses (given the Torah) and Muhammad (given the Quran); and non-law-bearing prophets, who appear within a given dispensation such as Jeremiah, Jesus and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (IMPLYING HE IS A PROPHET)

It’s ok to present facts, but we are focusing here on the main thing and that is, “WHY A BAN?”. How does PDF rules justify this?

 

[dalvash]

And recognition of Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius and Krishna as prophets. That's the equivalent of equating George Washington to any of the prophets.


According to the Ahmadiyya belief, the technical Islamic terms "warner" (natheer), "prophet" (nabi), "messenger" (rasul) and "envoy" (mursal) are synonymous in meaning. However, there are two kinds of prophethood as understood by the Community: Law-bearing prophets, who bring a new law and dispensation, such as Moses (given the Torah) and Muhammad (given the Quran); and non-law-bearing prophets, who appear within a given dispensation such as Jeremiah, Jesus and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (IMPLYING HE IS A PROPHET)

Thanks. The Lahore Ahmadiya movement is different:

Ahmadis universally concur in the belief that Ghulam Ahmad was both the promised Mahdi and Messiah foretold by Muhammad to appear in the end times, and that his prophetic qualities were neither independent nor separable from Muhammad's prophetic mission. What this entailed theologically, however, became an issue of contention within the early Ahmadiyya movement. Muhammad Ali held that the type of prophecy described by Ghulam Ahmad in reference to himself did not make him a prophet in the technical sense of the word as used in Islamic terminology, amounted to nothing more than sainthood (walāya) and that Islamic mystics preceding Ghulam Ahmad had similarly described experiences of prophecy within Islam and in relation to Muhammad

 

[Indus Falcon]

It’s ok to present facts, but we are focusing here on the main thing and that is, “WHY A BAN?”. How does PDF rules justify this?

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Lets see how long a .pk defence site stealthily propagating qadiani beliefs lasts.

 

[M.Bison]

And recognition of Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius and Krishna as prophets.


According to the Ahmadiyya belief, the technical Islamic terms "warner" (natheer), "prophet" (nabi), "messenger" (rasul) and "envoy" (mursal) are synonymous in meaning. However, there are two kinds of prophethood as understood by the Community: Law-bearing prophets, who bring a new law and dispensation, such as Moses (given the Torah) and Muhammad (given the Quran); and non-law-bearing prophets, who appear within a given dispensation such as Jeremiah, Jesus and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (IMPLYING HE IS A PROPHET)

Dude, Their religion teach them acceptance of other fake religions at the expense of Islam. They have taken a beautiful way of life and tried to turn it into a cheap Chinese knock off. Ahmadiyya religion was meant for people who supported the British occupation and wanted to be in their good graces. Every important tenant of Islam has been thrown out by Qadiani.

If you read the history, they weren't named non-muslim out of blue. All ulema and scholars from all viewpoints were invited and debated with Mirza's son. He claimed that We the Qadiani are Muslims and the rest are kafirs. They preach hatred towards orthodox Muslims.

 

[StormBreaker]

Thanks. The Lahore Ahmadiya movement is different:

And i accept this man as the new President of Pakistan....

 

[M.Bison]

Thanks. The Lahore Ahmadiya movement is different:

What is different about them? They have the same doctrine.

What are their views on Haj, Jesus life, and jihad?

 

[Philip the Arab]

What is different about them? They have the same doctrine.

What are their views on Haj, Jesus life, and jihad?

It is a separatist group, no clue about differences in teachings.

 

[M.Bison]

It is a separatist group, no clue about differences in teachings.

They believe Qadiani is a mujaddid. But they fail to realize that you cannot change Sharia and only Allah has that right. Every time a new law has come down to earth it is been through a prophet. So you can see that these people are the same and they are playing mental gymnastics to misguide the masses.

For Lahori Qadiani, tell us of one mujaddid that is accepted as a Muslim who in the past changed sharia?

Righteous Sufis never changed Allah's Sharia and that is a fact.

Tell us of one Sufi that says Esa (AS) died. That is blasphemy and takes you out of the fold of Islam. Allah clearly says in the Quran that he was taken not killed. Allah would never let his prophet be humiliated with crucifixion. In mosaic law, if you get crucified you cannot go to heaven. Why do you think the jews did that? It's simple, but these people failed to read history before creating their fake religion.

 

[Suff Shikan]

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is quite simple, no Non-Muslim/Secular should be allowed to detail topics relating to Islam.

Sometimes we discuss political developments, Imran Khan, or some other topic which have a tinge of religion, only to have trolls derail the topic.

 

[Shane]

I agree!

Pakistan Defence Forum is about protecting/defending Pakistan... if I am not mistaken... that is why we, Paks, from all of the world hang out here and create traffic!

And the Constituition of Pakistan must be respected... I shall go even further... Quran must be respected.

And Our Deen is nothing without Our Beloved Last Prophet of Allah PBUH!

I have always refrained from discussing religious matters here... and have Always respected others religious beliefs...even hindus posters here.

However, this is unacceptable that some posters just get a free pass to inslut what we hold Most Dear!

Once again ... I would mind if @Khafee is banned for violating forum rules... but protecting the Honour of the Last Prophet PBUH ... is NOT a reason for ban!

This needs to be corrected...and Our Senitments must be given due respect!

Banning us is not the solution!

@Slav Defence @Oscar @Horus @WebMaster

Sir jee, I posted about the rules of PDF not being above the law precisely, as you have pointed out, because of the name of this forum as defence.pk ...the most fundamental questions:

Is Khafee banned for calling a Muslim as a Qadyani or a Qadyani as a Qadyani?

The occurrence of this episode of ban requires another clarification on the part of PDF:

Is this forum owned by an Ahmadi minority Pakistani?

OR

Is this forum sympathetic towards Qadyani belief that they are Muslims in denial of what is stated in the constitution of Pakistan?

Because many Ahmadis are against laws and constitution of Pakistan that nominates them as a minority and recognizes them as non-Muslims.

Ahmadis are Pakistanis and they have to respect the religion of Islam and constitution of Pakistan the same way we recognize Ahmadis as a minority who can practice their beliefs and live their life the way they want to.

If this forum is sympathetic towards Qadyani belief that they are Muslims in denial of what is stated in the constitution of Pakistan then it should be stated in PDF rules that pointing out the beliefs or questionable posts of any Ahmadi minority poster, or calling them Ahmadi or Qadyani is going to earn the poster a ban.

This is not just about ban or un-ban any member, it is about our commitment and belief in our last Prophet Mohammad SAW as Khatimunnabiyyeen.

Not believing in KhatmeNabowwat of Mohammad SAW makes people Non Muslims. This is the firm belief of all Muslims.

This is what every Muslim believes: Mohammad SAW par walidain bhee qurbaan ... PDF kia Cheez hay???

 

[StormBreaker]

Dude its rampant. There is a lot of Hindus here who outright curse the prophet (PBUH). They call him a liar (auzubillah).. and say that the quranic stories are a myth like the Bhagwat Gita.

As for this, we can’t control their minds or thoughts as they are not from our religion. It’s natural to hate other religions but unnatural and immoral to openly declare it.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

This is not just about ban or un-ban any member, it is about our commitment and belief in our last Prophet Mohammad SAW as Khatimunnabiyyeen.

Not believing in KhatmeNabowwat of Mohammad SAW makes people Non Muslims. This is the firm belief of all Muslims.

This is what every Muslim believes: Mohammad SAW par walidain bhee qurbaan ... PDF kia Cheez hay???

I absolutely second what you have posted!