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Why Jeopardize U.S.-India Ties Over Iran?

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Richard Fontaine discusses how U.S. sanctions on Iran are creating tensions in the U.S.-India relationship:
Thus far, Washington and New Delhi have chosen to emphasize the areas of agreement – the IAEA votes, their shared opposition to an Iranian nuclear weapon – and downplay the disagreement on how to achieve that objective. But with the issue heating up in Washington and other world capitals, and with the new U.S. sanctions poised to go into effect, there’s the danger of a real impasse. Members of the U.S. Congress will be dismayed if India appears to stand outside a concerted international effort to press Iran at a critical inflection point. Members of the Indian parliament, for their part, will not particularly appreciate being publicly goaded to get tough on Iran.
The collateral damage could be the U.S.-India relationship. A falling out over Iran could infect other elements of the budding strategic partnership, and make everything else – from trade to defense cooperation to diplomatic coordination – more difficult.
I alluded to India’s economic relationship with Iran in my new column and in previous posts, and Fontaine describes the ties between the two states in more detail. This raises a question: why is the U.S. risking damage to a much more strategically valuable relationship with India for the sake of an obsession with the Iranian nuclear program?
Fontaine proposes cooperation between the U.S. and India on Iran:
A genuine partnership on this issue might see India using its unique role to carry messages to the Iranian leadership and provide insights about Iranian behavior to the American side, while the United States works with New Delhi to pressure Iran on a variety of fronts.
How does it help the U.S.-Indian relationship to require India to do more than it is already doing to pressure Iran? What incentive are we going to give the Indians to make additional pressure on Iran seem worthwhile? The current Congress-led government has already gone out on a limb for the sake of the U.S.-Indian nuclear deal, which has run into its own problems regarding India’s liability law, and it will need to be able to deliver something that the U.S. gives it in exchange for its help. Closer ties with India make a great deal of sense, so why risk jeopardizing them over this?
The Indians have already seen how unique mediating roles have been dismissed and ignored by the U.S. when the mediators reached a deal that the U.S. didn’t like. Slapping down Turkey and Brazil in 2010 had the effect that there probably aren’t going to be other governments interested in having their closer relationship with Iran used in this way. Why is it in India’s interest to disrupt one of their more important regional relationships? Would the U.S. do the same for India if it made similar requests regarding Pakistan? Unless the answer to that last question is yes, I fail to see why India would cooperate.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/2012/01/26/why-jeopardize-u-s-india-ties-over-iran/
 
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1. Because we are not someone's puppet

2. Because US of a can't be trusted

3. Because we need Oil

4. Because we need Iranian market for our products

5. Because we need a way to Afghanistan

6. Because we need route to Central Asia

7. Because we can't allow unchallenged Sunni rule and dominance over gulf

8. Because we can't afford to have china into Iran

9. Because we have to take care of pakistan

10. Because USA is not Jeopardizing its relations with Pakistan over the ties with India.

11. Because we don't want Iranian pipeline till china.

12. Because we don't want chinese base at gwadar


Should I go on............................ :wave:
 
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Simple reasons from my side:

- We are an independent nation with an independent foreign policy.

- We are developing nation needing large scale natural resources like Iran has in terms of oil and gas.

- We go NO ENMITY against Iran and vice versa. Iran's problems with US/NATO is their bilateral problem.

- US may dictate to countries that it feeds and nurtures with aid money; not us who are the masters of our own destiny.

- Friendship looks fine as long as it remains friendly and not dominating or overbearing.

- Will the US severe all ties with Pakistan and China for our sake? I don't think so.

- None of the western nations other than a handful like USA/Canada/Norway are resource-rich and none can guarantee us substitute supply.

- With KSA becoming the leading supplier to Europe now alongside Libya, Iran's biggest market would be China and us. We should encash this moment strategically. Both we and Iranians will benefit.

- We are not here to fight someone else's wars. While Israel and we share a strong relationship, it is bilateral. The wars fought by USA or Israel against Iran will serve them from their perspective without any involvement from us. We are ill-wishers of neither side.

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Anything else?
 
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1. Because we are not someone's puppet

2. Because US of a can't be trusted

3. Because we need Oil

4. Because we need Iranian market for our products

5. Because we need a way to Afghanistan

6. Because we need route to Central Asia

7. Because we can't allow unchallenged Sunni rule and dominance over gulf

8. Because we can't afford to have china into Iran

9. Because we have to take care of pakistan

10. Because USA is not Jeopardizing its relations with Pakistan over the ties with India.

11. Because we don't want Iranian pipeline till china.

12. Because we don't want chinese base at gwadar


Should I go on............................ :wave:
I didn't understand the logic behind 7th one what the hell do we have to do with sunni-shia conflict infact i think most of the indian muslims are sunnis and i completely agree with the rest of your points
 
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I didn't understand the logic behind 7th one what the hell do we have to do with sunni-shia conflict infact i think most of the indian muslims are sunnis and i completely agree with the rest of your points

IMO, India has one of the largest Shia populations outside IRAN ?
 
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A genuine partnership on this issue might see India using its unique role to carry messages to the Iranian leadership and provide insights about Iranian behavior to the American side, while the United States works with New Delhi to pressure Iran on a variety of fronts.

Also add to it India's friendship with Israel, India can play a mediating role between all players to bring down tensions and promote dialogue.
 
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The debate in America is between two major foreign policy cornerstones: Israel and China.

America's obsession with Iran is tied to the former, while not relevant to the latter. America's relationship with India is based on the latter, while irrelevant for the former. Hence the internal tussle.

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Also add to it India's friendship with Israel, India can play a mediating role between all players to bring down tensions and promote dialogue.

Israel gives the finger to the US when it comes to its national security concerns. On what planet do Indians think they will have a snowflake's chance in hell of "mediating" anything with Israel?
 
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Israel gives the finger to the US when it comes to its national security concerns. On what planet do Indians think they will have a snowflake's chance in hell of "mediating" anything with Israel?

Well, at least we can try. We'll see what comes off it. I believe we should try and ready both Iran and Israel for talks.
 
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The debate in America is between two major foreign policy cornerstones: Israel and China.

America's obsession with Iran is tied to the former, while not relevant to the latter. America's relationship with India is based on the latter, while irrelevant for the former. Hence the internal tussle.

---------- Post added at 01:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:43 PM ----------



Israel gives the finger to the US when it comes to its national security concerns. On what planet do Indians think they will have a snowflake's chance in hell of "mediating" anything with Israel?

Probably the closest chance in hell' that the world has to try to have a dialogue. I cannot think of any other country which has an active relationship with all three - the US, Israel and Iran at the moment.
 
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1. Because we are not someone's puppet

2. Because US of a can't be trusted

3. Because we need Oil

4. Because we need Iranian market for our products

5. Because we need a way to Afghanistan

6. Because we need route to Central Asia

7. Because we can't allow unchallenged Sunni rule and dominance over gulf

8. Because we can't afford to have china into Iran

9. Because we have to take care of pakistan

10. Because USA is not Jeopardizing its relations with Pakistan over the ties with India.

11. Because we don't want Iranian pipeline till china.

12. Because we don't want chinese base at gwadar


Should I go on............................ :wave:


So you have selfish reasons to be with Iran ?

This is why your so-called RELATIONSHIP with Iran is a temporary MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE and an unnatural relationship.

Such relationships are shallow and they never last.

Pakistan's relationship with Iran is based on Historical and Cultural ties and this kind of Natural relationship makes for permanent ties and allies. This is the main reason why our relationship will trump all your selfish reasons and unnatural alliance with Iran.
 
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The debate in America is between two major foreign policy cornerstones: Israel and China.

America's obsession with Iran is tied to the former, while not relevant to the latter. America's relationship with India is based on the latter, while irrelevant for the former. Hence the internal tussle.

---------- Post added at 01:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:43 PM ----------



Israel gives the finger to the US when it comes to its national security concerns. On what planet do Indians think they will have a snowflake's chance in hell of "mediating" anything with Israel?

They do not give a finger. PERIOD. The only reason they can be aggressively steadfast with their policy is because they have one of the most powerful lobby in US.
And we do not want to poke our nose in everyone's relation but at least can give a chance to peace. The current mess should be solved through diplomacy. There was never an issue which got solved with war.
 
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So you have selfish reasons to be with Iran ?

This is why your so-called RELATIONSHIP with Iran is a temporary MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE and an unnatural relationship.

Such relationships are shallow and they never last.

Pakistan's relationship with Iran is based on Historical and Cultural ties and this kind of Natural relationship makes for permanent ties and allies. This is the main reason why our relationship will trump all your selfish reasons and unnatural alliance with Iran.

this is the same US that ignored Pak nuclear desire till it became a nuclear power.
at that time US didnt so conscerned about Nuclear prolifrtion?????????

Countries own strategic interests are more important than any other thing.
thaere is nothing as friend or enemy. tis just that if your strategic interests matches with the other than you r friends, or otherwise.

we have got our reasons to reject the sanctions, and we will stand only by our interest.
 
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The fastest way of losing whatever little leverage or influence or goodwill we have with any of the parties involved is to use that leverage to speak the language of a third party. In other words, being the messenger boy for the US as recommended by the author will only convince the Iranians that we are acting on behalf of the Americans and therefore against Iranian interests. The influence or goodwill we have vis-a-vis Iran is not strong enough to overcome the enormous baggage of mistrust and suspicion existing between the US and Iran. Israel doesn't need us or any body else to mediate on its behalf. It already has direct communication links with all power blocks in the US, official as well as unofficial.

India will therefore do well to mind its own business and use whatever influence it has to further its own national interests. Leave the mediation to bigger players like Russia and China. Why do we need to stick our neck out to resolve a mess we didn't create. Our sole focus should be to ensure that we emerge stronger when all this is over.

My two paisas.
Ragards.
 
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