Why J-10C repeatly defeat J-16 in Chinese air war game?

[SD 10]

I am not aware of how these aerial competitions are held or graded but is there any third party verification of the results? We know that both Su-35 and the J-16s are based off of the legacy Su-27/30s and are not original Chinese designs. Isn't it possible that China is making a sales pitch here by showing the sukhois down?

where do you people get these "Bright" ideas.................

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Can't wait to see them in our colours.

 

[Abid123]

Can't wait to see them in our colours.
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Deadly combination with PL-15

 

[Deino]

Deadly combination with PL-15

Yes for sure, however that J-10 shown in that specific image is neither a J-10C (it is a B) nor does it carry PL-15 (it is a J-10B in SEAD configuration)! ... just to nit-pick

 

[Beast]

That is the first defense a bot puts up is to accuse others of the opposite of what they do.

Typical response! What did I badmouth which equipment? While some are quick to shout China equipment inferior here and there and got the cheek to accuse others.

 

[MajesticPug]

Yes J-11B production stops, though some WS-10 will continue to be allocated as spare for the fleet. SAC switches production to J-16/16D and J-15/15T (and of course J-XY/35) and pressure on WS-10 supply continues to mount. The fact remains: China doesn't have the luxury to export any jet with WS-10.

Again it's not about the jet or engine, it's about malicious attempt in attacking China (again by a Pak poster with IP from western country) like questioning on "third party verification of the results" or assuming "China is making a sales pitch". I bet he has never questioned for "third party verification" in the western drills like Exercise Red Flag.

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I picked that up as well and was about to give the Indian guy a slap but you beat me to it. Thanks for pointing that out.

If there's any need of third-party certification, India needs many to certify its enforcement of justice on their rapists. I am leaning to believe justice not served to these rapists and that's why India is still ranked #1 (way beyond #2-10 combined) after decades. This is a very, very serious violation of human rights. I wonder what Nancy Pelosi has to say about that.

 

[beijingwalker]

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year
Published On 16 December,2021 01:27 pm

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year


LAHORE (Dunya News) - Pakistan Air Force is determined to make the country’s airspace invincible by adding J10C aircrafts to Pakistan Air Force fleet next year.

It has been reported that the Chinese-made "J10C" is a modern single-engine delta wings fighter jet, it identifies multiple targets simultaneously.

Moreover, the fighter jet is equipped with PL-15 missiles that are capable of hitting targets up to 200 km.

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year - Pakistan

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year

dunyanews.tv

 

[Surya 1]

What about Chinese J 20 which scored 1:3.5 kill ratio against Chinese 3rd generation plane? F22 has it over 1:100.

 

[Deino]

What about Chinese J 20 which scored 1:3.5 kill ratio against Chinese 3rd generation plane? F22 has it over 1:100.

Not sure where you got. this info from? AFAIK no kill ratio was ever revealed!

 

[Surya 1]

Not sure where you got. this info from? AFAIK no kill ratio was ever revealed!

It is thread on PDF. Find out. It is Chinese source.

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year
Published On 16 December,2021 01:27 pm

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year


LAHORE (Dunya News) - Pakistan Air Force is determined to make the country’s airspace invincible by adding J10C aircrafts to Pakistan Air Force fleet next year.

It has been reported that the Chinese-made "J10C" is a modern single-engine delta wings fighter jet, it identifies multiple targets simultaneously.

Moreover, the fighter jet is equipped with PL-15 missiles that are capable of hitting targets up to 200 km.

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year - Pakistan

"J10C" aircrafts set to become part of PAF fleet next year

dunyanews.tv

Plane is photo Seems to be Euro fighter and not J 10.

 

[serenity]

What about Chinese J 20 which scored 1:3.5 kill ratio against Chinese 3rd generation plane? F22 has it over 1:100.

The reported suggested exchange was much higher than 1:3.5 it was around 1 J-20 defeating many dozens of 4th generation fighters, or in Chinese nomenclature, 3rd generation fighters. I recall the reason of limit given as eventually being overwhelmed but those exchange ratios are allowing the 5th gen to not become saturated and makes lots of assumptions such as returning for refuel and reloading which in war is not always the case. However in perfect world, 5th gen clearly dominated.

This result was the initial tests of J-20 against 4th generations around 2018, reported later around 2020. Then the 4th gen teams developed counters. Basically the whole timeline was like first it was doubted how much more effective 5th gen was by PLAAF and then when they had J-20 in service and ran exercises, they realized the Americans were accurate about how much better 5th gen is. The reports and leaks made it sound like it troubled PLAAF a little bit because before that they still believed air combat is okay to just use 4th gen even against 5th gen. It just required better detection and targeting methods which PLA and PLAAF have invested heavily in ever since F117 was revealed.

I remember one leak then said continuous training against 5th gen made the 4th gen teams develop some better tactics against 5th gen even though the exchange was still heavily in favor of 5th gen. Part of the point of J-20 is also to improve the 4th generation fighters and how they operate against 5th gen fighters. They got the ratio down from 1 to several dozens to something a little bit more favorable but I can't remember if they ever gave a range.

As for J-10C defeating J-16 in last several Golden Helmet exercises, this is suggested as because J-16 RCS is quite large even with some effort to reduce it the engine is exposed. J-10C often detected J-16 well before J-16 found J-10C - said to be over 200km J-10C detected J-16 and took positions to attack them and make better use of terrain and J-16 vectors.

J-10C has quite low RCS actually a lower than Super Hornet and roughly Rafale's. Basically they are small RCS if clean and otherwise when armed it is just the missiles and pylons on its wings that contribute mostly to RCS. J-16 could not find J-10C at over 200km range. J-10C makes use of PL-15 and basically the exponential RCS to detection nature of the fight means J-10C exploit positions and available fuel much more efficiently and would fire first rounds at 200km and then reposition for better second and third rounds of missiles at J-16. J-16 can only realize the fight when those J-10C were found and assumed the missiles are in the air before active to avoid and by then J-10C is in better position and second rounds are on the way and third rounds nearly being fired. Overall that is just enough advantage to ensure J-10C victory overall in enough tries.

Both in close range probably depends totally on the pilot but the J-10C is the king of dogfight in PLAAF I guess after Su-35. J-16 is multirole but more attack fighter than pure dogfighter due to less fuel than single seater flanker and also much more weight than single seater flanker. It also carries a lot of heavy electronic equipment.

These reason make it quite unsurprising J-10C takes the crown during 4th gen Golden Helmet exercises since it participated. Before that, J-10A and J-10B did not fare as well as J-11B and J-16 but J-10C has improved a lot over J-10A in BVR.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Not sure where you got. this info from? AFAIK no kill ratio was ever revealed!

Actually, they have. It was 17:0 by a junior pilot with less than 100 hours on the plane.

China air force plays up J-20 stealth strength as Taiwan tensions brew

PLA highlights fighter’s combat capacity in drill led by junior pilot from the Eastern Theatre Command.

www.scmp.com

 

[donkeykong]

It is thread on PDF. Find out. It is Chinese source.


Plane is photo Seems to be Euro fighter and not J 10.

Indians can't even reverse engineer a bicycle so plz stfu and go drink some cow urine

 

[jupiter2007]

One is confirmed that Pakistan is getting J-10C and our pilots are training on It for last two years. Also, there is no hope of F-16d coming to Pakistan. I am glad that chapter is now closed.

 

[Polestar 2]

One is confirmed that Pakistan is getting J-10C and our pilots are training on It for last two years. Also, there is no hope of F-16d coming to Pakistan. I am glad that chapter is now closed.

Seems like more disappointment from Pakistanis than happiness with J-10C instead of F-16V being received by Pakistan airforce.