Why is the US suddenly attacking the TTP now?

[TaimiKhan]

We aren't "suddenly attacking the TTP now".

We killed Nek Mohammad in June, 2004 and started cleaning up your mess then. Name familiar? It should be.

You idiots had best learn a bit more about your own damned war.

We've been at it for some considerable time. Funny what you'll conveniently forget to beat the drums of dissemblance...

Thanks.

Sometimes calling others idiots, is himself an idiot but doesn't knows that.

Can you provide how Nek Muhammad was TTP, whereas TTP never existed back in 2004.

TTP's leadership had been till now in the hands of Mehsuds, so how come a Wazir became its leader or head ???

Would be better that you learn more about your damned war, in which you have made us stuck.

 

[S-2]

"Can you provide how Nek Muhammad was TTP, whereas TTP never existed back in 2004..."

Taimikhan, you really had a chance to research the facts before posting but chose not to do so? Why?

What are the TTP but enemies of Pakistan, no?

Explain your government's negotiations with Nek Mohammad if he was no threat.

Cutting Deals With The Taliban-Frontline PBS Interview With U.S. Ambassador To Pakistan Ryan Crocker

Read carefully before your next reply to me. If this doesn't suffice for you, find other sources. Your government's enemies reach well back before the formalization of the TTP in December of 2007. This news and Nek Mohammad's legacy is common knowledge among those who care to be informed about such matters.

I'm finding you tiresome and exceedingly poorly informed in your jingoism and xenophobia. I don't care if you hate America or hate me personally but I do care when you lead others as poorly informed as yourself into blind alleys of ignorance. At least bring some base knowledge with such or back away. You're a part of the problem, young man, and hardly a solution nor resevoir of factual information.

I can't place you on ignore or you'd been so some time ago. I can choose to henceforth IGNORE your comments and shall if you don't pick up your research skills at least commensurate with the historical facts as they are and not as you'd desperately wish them to be.

Thanks.

 

[jnd3x0]

@s-2 ,don't try to show that americans are innocent and helping others with full honesty, we know them better than you,you might have saw ony good side of americans but we know both sides and we are dealing with that from past times ...

 

[Naradmuni]

don't try to show that americans are innocent and helping others with full honesty,

Pakistan could have chosen not to be a party to US activities in Afghan in 80s. So for the current mess, blame goes to pakistan as well.

Why is the US suddenly attacking the TTP now?

Because by itself, pakistan is not doing enough.

 

[S-2]

"don't try to show that americans are innocent and helping others with full honesty, we know them better than you..."

You don't know squat about my nation. You sure as hell don't know squat about me.

I can and just have put you on "ignore".

Thanks.

 

[Naradmuni]

Comments by Ryan Crocker (US Ambassador To Pakistan) :

One of the things they have done in the past and are doing now is talking with the militants. In 2004, they cut deals with the militants; in 2005, another set of deals with the militants. These deals involve agreements on the part of the militants not to attack the Pakistanis, but they seem not to include any language about cross-border raids. How is it that this, our ally in the war on terror, can cut such deals without you loudly complaining?

I've had a number of discussions with the leadership here in recent days, and the point has been made repeatedly to me that while a political solution is ultimately the only outcome that is going to fully stabilize the areas, there are several governmental redlines in the process, and it's been made clear to me that these include cross-border militant activities. They will not be tolerated. And second, no foreigners will be permitted to shelter in the tribal areas. So I think two key concerns of ours [are] very clearly shared by the Pakistanis, and again, that's been made clear to me.

But in 2004, a deal was cut with Nek Mohammed, the Taliban commander. Money was paid to the Taliban. We have seen continuing since then cross-border raids, sanctuary, and Pakistan's become a launching pad for attacks against U.S. forces. So what's going to be different now?

Well, I think the Pakistanis have clearly seen that again, we are joined against a common enemy. The Pakistani military has lost a lot of troops just since the beginning of this year. [There were] two attacks by the neo-Taliban militants. I think it's pretty clear to them that there are some people with whom deals simply are not going to be possible. We all learn from experience, and I think that applies here, too.

They made deals with the Wana Five, as they're called.

Right.

 

[jnd3x0]

huh! ...
when you see you can't justify me ,so you put me on ignored list
(whatever)!, sir now even arabs come to us and say amricans are innocent we wont belive them anyways no hard feelings
thanks

 

[TaimiKhan]

"Can you provide how Nek Muhammad was TTP, whereas TTP never existed back in 2004..."

Taimikhan, you really had a chance to research the facts before posting but chose not to do so? Why?

What are the TTP but enemies of Pakistan, no?

Explain your government's negotiations with Nek Mohammad if he was no threat.

Cutting Deals With The Taliban-Frontline PBS Interview With U.S. Ambassador To Pakistan Ryan Crocker

Read carefully before your next reply to me. If this doesn't suffice for you, find other sources. Your government's enemies reach well back before the formalization of the TTP in December of 2007. This news and Nek Mohammad's legacy is common knowledge among those who care to be informed about such matters.

I'm finding you tiresome and exceedingly poorly informed in your jingoism and xenophobia. I don't care if you hate America or hate me personally but I do care when you lead others as poorly informed as yourself into blind alleys of ignorance. At least bring some base knowledge with such or back away. You're a part of the problem, young man, and hardly a solution nor resevoir of factual information.

I can't place you on ignore or you'd been so some time ago. I can choose to henceforth IGNORE your comments and shall if you don't pick up your research skills at least commensurate with the historical facts as they are and not as you'd desperately wish them to be.

Thanks.

I have more research skills then you can ever have. I am from that area, I know that area, I know the local people, I have friends working there in govt and non govt setup, my family lives there. So if you think by sitting in US and through your one sided media you can research well, then good for you. Keep up the whining and ranting as usual, the thing you can only do best.

And you that linked article says nothing about TTP or Nek Muhammad being a part of TTP. He was fighting the US occupied forces in Afghanistan, and when we messed with him, he retaliated. That is what the Wazir tribe fighters have been doing ever since, they retaliate when PA takes an action in their area, otherwise they have not done suicide bombings or attacking security forces.

While TTP has been totally focused against Pakistan, and had no business with Afghanistan, their main aim is to destroy Pakistan, while Nek Muhammad had no such intentions, so here the difference lies. He was a taliban, but had nothing to do with TTP.

Give me the number rather research for yourself about the drone strikes in SWA and give me the number of TTP militants, commanders killed by your drones. If you do a sane research, you will find out that till mid of last year a handful of strikes happened in the TTP controlled areas, maximum were on the fighters which were a threat to US, but no drones killed those who were threatening Pakistan, then you will find out the double faced hypocritical nature of US and its policies (which i doubt you will ever). Even now majority strikes happen on the anti-US militants, not the ones threatening us.

And it has been your created mess, if you had not left the region after the soviet withdrawal and helped in making up the Afghan Nation, the way you guys did after throwing Saddam for oil, then things would have been changed. But as you guys lost the interest, and achieved the objective for which you guys spent billions, you helped in making the foundations of this monster.

Nek Muhammad was not a threat for us, if had not been messed with. When we stopped messing with him and made a deal, you guys killed him to break the peace deal, as he was a threat to you, not to us. Get that in your mind.

Even now, wazir militants are not fighting the PA, but if we attacked NW or their area, they are gonna mess up with us, that is exactly what US wants, as they see them as a threat, not the TTP, that is why maximum drone strikes happen in the Wazir controlled areas, and not the TTP controlled areas.

And next time don't give me the IGNORE thing, if you wish to ignore, do it. Don't rant and whine about it. I damn care if you ignore, as i don't have any wish to talk to a neocon, who likes Pakistani's getting killed, threatens all the time, insults the Pakistani nation, and God willing it will be the US arse which will get fcuked up in Afghanistan.

Pathetic ranting and whining all the time.

 

[TaimiKhan]

And yeah S-2 one more thing, its now your politicians and govt functionaries, talking about deals with the Taliban to take place. To talk to the Taliban and trying the good/bad taliban distinction.

Its your military and your ISAF/NATO commanders showing doubts to a military solution and asking for political solution.

So ask them why are they saying and wishing for, we are this land's people and we know how to deal with these people. If you can use the carrot stick strategy for others, then let others do the same for solving their problems.

Problem with neocons like you is that you think everything has a military solution, which in fact isn't. Do remember Korea, Vietnam and other fiasco that you guys created and failed with no military solution.

 

[mughaljee]

Yaar,
I can fight , when our own's turn back to us, then i feel pain.

 

[graphican]

We aren't "suddenly attacking the TTP now".

We killed Nek Mohammad in June, 2004 and started cleaning up your mess then. Name familiar? It should be.

You idiots had best learn a bit more about your own damned war.

We've been at it for some considerable time. Funny what you'll conveniently forget to beat the drums of dissemblance...

Thanks.

America is not a friendly country to many over here and your words are not helping to improve things either.

 

[xuxu1457]

It's American history they play games and support both sides

Right!!

 

[Cheetah786]

The past week has seen a rise in American drone attacks against TTP leadership , mainly Hakeemullh Mehsud

The speed with which Hakeemullah has been targetted over the pas week suggests that the Aemricans knew his wherabout and he was constantly being tracked

Or it also suggest that as soon as they find out where he is they are going for it.

Biggest enemy of Pakistan today is not the outsiders its the Pakistanis themselves who refuse to open there eyes and keep looking for someone to blame for our short comings.

What Makes me laugh is this Bad Americans Good F16s .

 

[qsaark]

Taimi, you won my heart today. You are among very few Pakistani members who have courage to say what they want to say with every bit of conviction and logic. Bravo Brother.

 

[Naradmuni]

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