Why is South India paying for North India

[Shantanu_Left]

You have been taught wrong. Pakistan is nothing like what you have been led to believe. You have 90% Pakistanis on this forum, you have no need to come to your own fallacious conclusions.

I say the same about your false views of Islam as a religion.

Simply ask and you will learn.

When you see Pakistanis shouting 'Mare in sale ko' in streets of Lahore, Islamabad, and Karaxhi, come back and enlighten us.

Otherwise you will have to admit that Pakistan has been far more enlightened and moderate than India, even when we are an Islamic state.

Now stop deriding our founding father and our nation by lumping us with the killers of Gandhi and Hindu right who advocates removal of all minorities.

Please...

Create a new topic, I will tag more members. We can discuss it there.

Again you're getting offended for no reason. You're talking to someone here who actually fought off the goli marron salon ko crowd recently in February in Delhi. That is, I had funded the Shaheen Bagh protests during the same time. They got their just desserts in Febraury itself when BJP lost the Delhi election by a HUGE MARGIN. Delhi's public taught them a lesson they will not forget for a while. I have my serious differences with Arvind Kejriwal and his party but I will not contest the fact that he is a liberal. The fact that he won and BJP lost is a huge win for the liberal crowd in India. The bottomline is that the liberals in India are way more powerful than in Pakistan which is a theocracy.

It is indeed proving so difficult for me to explain to you the national mindset of Indians like me. Not all of us are Hindutva but for some reason you can't understand our views because you are a religious fanatic yourself.

Therefore here is a crash course for you and your other religious fundamentalist friends from Pakistan. I won't normally recommend Bollywood but this is a fairly old movie, Sarfarosh, and Naseeruddin Shah's (who plays a Pakistani) and Aamir Khan's (who plays an Indian Hindu liberal kind) acting alone is worth a watch. This scene is powerful because it does explain the fundamental differences between India and Pakistan.

Watch and learn, if you can.

 

[dreamer11]

For some idiots, BROTHELWOOD not represents India,even north India Hindus accept South Indian movies are somewhat represent India/Hinduism better than sickular $hitwood.

What a stupid thread, as a south Indian i explain the main reason b/w the disparity of North and South...

South India has coastline which helps trade from 1000's of years and many south states are rich if we compare them with land locked, densely populated North India.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

This is a flawed comparison. Pakistan is Islamic by nature, by virtue of being a religiously monolithic country, 97% Muslim.

Two nation theory applies to Pakistani exceptionalism, and is based on the fact of our demographics, varied history, and social norms.

It is was inevitable destiny of our nation.

India's culture and civilization is completely different, so there is no reason for you to derive your flawed comparison here. Every Pakistani will tell you the same.

Please, minimum respect for our country and founder must be observed.

You are accusing me of something I didn't do. Which is obviously not a surprise to me as it is typical behavior of someone with an illiberal mindset such as yourself. When I say there is no difference between Mr. Hafiz Saeed/Taliban types, and the RSS, this is the exact reason why these similarities exist.

 

[El Sidd]

For some idiots BROTHELWOOD not represents India,even north India Hindus accept South Indian movies are some what represent India/Hinduism better than sickular $hitwood.

What a stupid thread, as a south Indian i explain the main reason b/w the disparity of North and South is...

South India has coastline which helps trade from 1000's of years and so many south states are rich if we compare them with land locked, densely populated North India.

surely cheap labour is not the only export out of the northern valleys

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The bottomline is that the liberals in India are way more powerful than in Pakistan which is a theocracy.

We are not a theocracy, we do not have ulema in power like Iran. We are an Islamic Republic based on British common law, Islam is enshrined in our constitution, not in clergy.

Therefore here is a crash course for you and your other religious fundamentalist friends from Pakistan.

Here again you play your game with labels. You can paint us in these words and hence put us in a bucket of undesirables similar to what BJP has done to Indian Muslims. What makes you any different?

In Pakistan, concept of religion and the society is totally different than that of India. Vast majority of Pakistanis view religion as a positive part of their lives, they also believe their religion teaches them to protect minorities and the poor.

So words like Islamist, Islamic fundamentalist, etc. mean nothing in Pakistan and other Muslim countries because that is the home soil and civilization which we have, it is based on Islam.

In that same vein, people like you compare Quaid e Azam to BJP. It is an absolutely outrageous and offensive caricature of a decent, respectable individual who made it quite clear that respect for minorities and inclusion of women is part and parcel of Islam itself.

 

[dreamer11]

Is it true that the tiger numbers are purposely exaggerated in the sunderbans to attract government funds?

Also what are the long term sustainable solution for the human animal conflict from the Sanjay Gandhi Park in Mumbai to Bengals human elephant conflict due to blocked migratory routes of the animal

Counting Wild Tigers is very difficult and it is much more difficult in Sunderban.

BTW Sunderban has only 100 Tigers out of~3000 whole India so how can u say they are exaggerated??

Sanjay gandi park doesn't have Bengal tigers, it has wild leopards and they are fine now.Elephants are not 3 or 4 kg animals they are on average 7ton intelligent animals so conflicts bound to happen but overall 70% ENTIRE ASIAN CONTINENT's WILD LIFE (Tigers,Bears,Elephants,Dholes,Leopards,Asiatic lions and etc) lives in India and they are fine as WE ARE 50000 YEAR OLD CIVILIZATION and knew the value of Wild life.Some barbaric invaders from North came and killed our wild life but now they are safe AS HINDUTVA TAKEN CHARGE OF INDIA.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are accusing me of something I didn't do. Which is obviously not a surprise to me as it is typical behavior of someone with an illiberal mindset such as yourself. When I say there is no difference between Mr. Hafiz Saeed/Taliban types, and the RSS, this is the exact reason why these similarities exist.

Do you know of any incident where Hafiz Saeed or Taliban raped, torched homes, and killed minorities in lynch mobs?

You keep comparing two vastly different civilizations and cultures. Afghanistan/Pakistan are very different from India.

You seem to have an inability to differentiate Islamic cultures from Hindutva. Everything is basically different, from laws, divine scripture, history, and social norms.

 

[dreamer11]

surely cheap labour is not the only export out of the northern valleys

My state ONE LANGUAGE/One culture 'Telugu' recently divided into two after so-many riots,strikes and etc and u think entire South unites and will separate from North India due to some xyz reasons is ridiculous

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Which is obviously not a surprise to me as it is typical behavior of someone with an illiberal mindset such as yourself.

Again, the problem with labels. They stifle debate and demonize the other. Here used against religious Pakistani Muslims, the bulk of our population.

In the American milleu, we would be classified as politically liberal, though socially conservative.

 

[El Sidd]

Counting Wild Tigers is very difficult and it is much more difficult in Sunderban.

BTWSunderban has only 100 Tigers out of~3000 whole India so how can u sat they exaggerated??

Sanjay gandi park doesn't have Bengal tigers, it has wild leopards and they are fine now.Elephants are not 3/4 kg animals they are average 7ton intelligent animals so conflicts bound to happen but overall 70% ENTIRE ASIAN CONTINENT's WILD LIFE (Tigers,Bears,Elephants,Dholes,Leopards,Asiatic lions and etc) lives in India and they are fine.

nobody is saying they have gone extinct but people are raising the alarm that they are going extinct.

where did i say tigers roam the park in mumbai. i said human animal conflict. the park is overrun by villagers and children are being taken by leopards and authorities prefer leopards to the people as far as they are concerned.

elephants are now killing more people than before after going through psychological issues for not being able to acclimatise by migration.

sunderban numbers have routinely been exaggerated to covet government funds.

long before CAA. there were alarms of sarkari wildlife versus non sarkari wildlife

My state ONE LANGUAGE/One culture 'Telugu' recently divided into two after so-many riots,strikes and etc and u think entire South unites and will separate from North India due to some xyz reasons is ridiculous

you can have as many partitions you like man. whose stopping you

 

[dreamer11]

nobody is saying they have gone extinct but people are raising the alarm that they are going extinct.

where did i say tigers roam the park in mumbai. i said human animal conflict. the park is overrun by villagers and children are being taken by leopards and authorities prefer leopards to the people as far as they are concerned.

elephants are now killing more people than before after going through psychological issues for not being able to acclimatise by migration.

sunderban numbers have routinely been exaggerated to covet government funds.

long before CAA. there were alarms of sarkari wildlife versus non sarkari wildlife



you can have as many partitions you like man. whose stopping you

Do u have any source behind your claims?? as i am not interested in blabbering

PS: Pressitutes can bark anything but nobody can deny ''70% ENTIRE ASIAN CONTINENT's WILD LIFE (Tigers,Bears,Elephants,Dholes,Leopards,Asiatic lions and etc) lives in India and they are fine''.

 

[El Sidd]

Do u have any source behind your claims?? as i am not interested in blabbering

PS: Pressitutes can bark anything but nobody can deny ''70% ENTIRE ASIAN CONTINENT's WILD LIFE (Tigers,Bears,Elephants,Dholes,Leopards,Asiatic lions and etc) lives in India and they are fine''.

ok.

 

[Jackdaws]

Everytime I visit Goa (about twice/thrice a year) I invariably see a fight between local Goans and some Delhi/UP chaps. It's generally about things like littering, trying to drive their non 4x4 onto a beach (invariably gets stuck) etc.

My visits to the North have been limited - though some vistas are simply spectacular in the Himalayas. It is wrong to make mass generalizations - you get the feeling that Northern States having a bigger % of the population, being closer to the capital have a bit of a free ride.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Do you know of any incident where Hafiz Saeed or Taliban raped, torched homes, and killed minorities in lynch mobs?

You keep comparing two vastly different civilizations and cultures. Afghanistan/Pakistan are very different from India.

You seem to have an inability to differentiate Islamic cultures from Hindutva. Everything is basically different, from laws, divine scripture, history, and social norms.

They are basically two different pieces of turd. Why do you want me to see that one is better than the other? They aren't.

This isn't the thread to discuss this topic anyway, tough guy. Open another thread, maybe it's time for me to school you and half of Pakistan on Indian Constitution and Nehruvian values.

In that same vein, people like you compare Quaid e Azam to BJP. It is an absolutely outrageous and offensive caricature of a decent, respectable individual who made it quite clear that respect for minorities and inclusion of women is part and parcel of Islam itself.

Again you're accusing me of something I didn't do. I had compared the Jinnah model two nation theory with BJP Hindutva, not Mr. Jinnah himself. This is nothing new I'm saying here. Veer Savarkar and his types also endorsed the Muslim League views at the time of Partition. In fact, the Hindu nationalists had formed a government in coalition with the Muslim League in Bengal. Horrors?

First of all, know your audience. You're talking to Congress party here. We represent a different vision of India than the Hindu nationalists.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They are basically two different pieces of turd. Why do you want me to see that one is better than the other? They aren't.

This isn't the thread to discuss this topic anyway, tough guy. Open another thread, maybe it's time for me to school you and half of Pakistan on Indian Constitution and Nehruvian values.




Again you're accusing me of something I didn't do. I had compared the Jinnah model two nation theory with BJP Hindutva, not Mr. Jinnah himself. This is nothing new I'm saying here. Veer Savarkar and his types also endorsed the Muslim League views at the time of Partition. In fact, the Hindu nationalists had formed a government in coalition with the Muslim League in Bengal. Horrors?

First of all, know your audience. You're talking to Congress party here. We represent a different vision of India than the Hindu nationalists.

The Two Nation Theory became Two Nation Reality. You and the rest of India must come to terms with the fact. It is not going away, and applies to Kashmir also.

RSS views on Pakistan do not invalidate Quaid e Azam's struggle, nor tarnish his good name.

They are your own demons, which grew for 70 years in secular India and now control your government.

Do not compare Kashmir mujahideen or Taliban to gutless, shameless swarms of unmarried, bitter Indian males whose angst is tapped by RSS.

For us Pakistanis, we have enough problems in our own country to worry about. Do not burden us with the blame for yours.

We have our own elected leader Imran Khan, whom probably you would denounce as religious fanatic, judging from your posts against any Pakistani adopting Islam as a way of life.

You just reveal how little you know about Pakistan and Islam.