Why is South India paying for North India

[Shantanu_Left]

So words like Islamist, Islamic fundamentalist, etc. mean nothing in Pakistan and other Muslim countries because that is the home soil and civilization which we have, it is based on Islam.

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Sure they don't mean nothing. Big surprise! You brethren living in Pakistan know next to nothing about secular values because they were never born in that environment. Islamism is the only thing they know.

For those of you who chose to migrate to liberal Western countries including someone like yourself, you do know what I'm talking about. But you will pretend to ignore what you have seen with your own eyes. You will not tell your countrymen who can't afford to travel outside of Pakistan that indeed other countries systems are better than what they get at home.

Some Muslim majority countries are very secular. For example, Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Bosnia, Albania

 

[dreamer11]

The Two Nation Theory became Two Nation Reality. You and the rest of India must come to terms with the fact. It is not going away, and applies to Kashmir also.

RSS views on Pakistan do not invalidate Quaid e Azam's struggle, nor tarnish his good name.

They are your own demons, which grew for 70 years in secular India and now control your government.

Do not compare Kashmir mujahideen or Taliban to gutless, shameless swarms of unmarried, bitter Indian males whose angst is tapped by RSS.

For us Pakistanis, we have enough problems in our own country to worry about. Do not burden us with the blame for yours.

We have our own elected leader Imran Khan, whom probably you would denounce as religious fanatic, judging from your posts against any Pakistani adopting Islam as a way of life.

You just reveal how little you know about Pakistan and Islam.

'Is it 3 NATIONS'... did u willingly forgot Bangladesh??

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Sure they don't mean nothing. Big surprise! You brethren living in Pakistan know next to nothing about secular values because they were never born in that environment. Islamism is the only thing they know.

First, Islam is not an Islamism, it is a religious way of life. Please stop with the labels, it gets tiring. If you want to speak about Islam. You must use proper terminology.

Pakistanis are not alien to the liberal way of life, this is another fallacy in your thinking. Many Pakistanis follow this lifestyle in their private lives, but remain committed to Islam in the hearts and thinking.

You forget that Pakistan has once been the most liberal of Islamic countries, but we rejected that lifestyle of our own will. Pakistan's problems multiplied, and our national identity sunk due to idolization of Hollywood and Bollywood. Eventually the pendulum shifted, and Pakistanis realized that the immoral lifestyle did not suit their environment.

For those of you who chose to migrate to liberal Western countries including someone like yourself, you do know what I'm talking about. But you will pretend to ignore what you have seen with your own eyes. You will not tell your countrymen who can't afford to travel outside of Pakistan that indeed other countries systems are better than what they get at home.

If the Soviets had won the cold war, we would all be speaking Russian and chatting about the glories of Marx and Lenin.

Every empire has its day.

It does not mean much in the grand scheme of things. There is much beyond the allure of liberalism which reveals a fetid core of moral degeneracy and breakdown of the family system.

We Muslims have been living in all societies of the world, yet have still retained our religious practices and beliefs. What does that tell you?

We are sure in ourselves and know that wealth, etc. is not the ultimate determinant of happiness and the health of a society.

The proof is in the rise of fascism and Trump-style right wing fanaticism, which is a natural response to liberality. In India, the same has happened, though far more sinister BJP holds the reins.

Some Muslim majority countries are very secular. For example, Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Bosnia, Albania

Yes, and Turkey. We have no problem living with them and visiting their countries.

Unlike you, we accept and embrace differences of others. Have you seen me or other religious Pakistanis air any negative views about other religions and cultures?

Islam is at heart a tolerant faith, which is at home in a globalized world.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

First, Islam is not an Islamism, it is a religious way of life. Please stop with the labels, it gets tiring. If you want to speak about Islam. You must use proper labels.

Pakistanis are not alien to the liberal way of life, this is another fallacy in your thinking. Many Pakistanis follow this lifestyle in their private lives, but remain committed to Islam in the hearts and thinking.

You forget that Pakistan has once been the most liberal of Islamic countries, but we rejected that lifestyle of our own will. Pakistan's problems multiplied, and our national identity sunk due to idolization of Hollywood and Bollywood. Eventually the pendulum shifted, and Pakistanis realized that the immoral lifestyle did not suit their environment.

I agree Pakistanis have an identity crisis. Your people neither want to remain attached to your ex-Indian roots, nor do you find enough acceptance among Iranics, Turkics, Afghans, Central Asians, whatever. That is why you look to Bollywood for entertainment. But no, you've gotta deny your Indian affiliation so let us do some more Taliban style gunslinging. After that we can be Turkish, Arab, or whatever. LOL. I understand it, if I were a Pakistani, I'd put a shotgun next to my head because of my identity issues.

That's not perhaps a bad thing. Maybe you guys are like Wild West Americans in the 19th century, still trying to find your own identity. Who knows? You know yourself better than I do.

Pakistanis are not alien to the liberal way of life, this is another fallacy in your thinking. Many Pakistanis follow this lifestyle in their private lives, but remain committed to Islam in the hearts and thinking.


We Muslims have been living in all societies of the world, yet have still retained our religious practices and beliefs. What does that tell you?


Islam is at heart a tolerant faith, which is at home in a globalized world.

For the last time, I'm not anti-Muslim. You keep accusing me of Islamophobia like a broken record. As a toddler, I was raised by a Muslim nanny. I grew around Muslims and have lived in Muslim majority countries.

Your mind is really blocked by a fundamentalist thinking that is why you feel only your views are correct. You really need to fire up those neurons in that particular brain sector.

I wouldn't have this kind of debate I'm having with you with other Pakistani posters like Clifftonite, Rusty, Waz moderator, and even Mr. Imran Khan (I like that particular poster). For some reason, you're unable to understand me properly.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I agree Pakistanis have an identity crisis.

Secular lifestyle failed in Pakistan. Secular political parties led to divisions on racial lines and provincial politics destroyed our nation. 1971 saw the loss of our Eastern wing, which was the result of secularism and rising Bengali nationalism. To top it all off, two liberal governments freely looted our wealth and left us with a horrendous amount of debt, which we have still not clawed our way out of.

Our number one and greatest ally and role model for our life as a nation, the US, deeply backstabbed us again and again. The final nail in the coffin of our friendship came when they set up Indian terrorists in Afghanistan to murder 75,000 of our people.

Yes, Pakistanis had to search inwards and find the solutions to these problems and why these terrible things kept happening to us.

The solution was simple. We had left the onus of our state and adopted secularism, it was destroying us left and right. So then Islam came back in full focus, and then we saw the nation coalesce back together into a monolithic nation on the base of Islam and the frame of a shared heritage (IVC, Iranic.)

Your people neither want to remain attached to your ex-Indian roots, nor do you find enough acceptance among Iranics, Turkics, Afghans, Central Asians, whatever. That is why you look to Bollywood for entertainment. But no, you've gotta deny your Indian affiliation so let us do some more Taliban style gunslinging. After that we can be Turkish, Arab, or whatever. LOL. I understand it, if I were a Pakistani, I'd put a shotgun next to my head because of my identity issues.

Bollywood is not so popular anymore. You are still a little late on your analysis. We had left that almost a decade ago.

Recent craze in Pakistan are Turkish serials.

Pakistanis are not like Indians, we are racially very diverse. We have heritage from Turks, Mongols, Iranians, Arabs, Kurds, and Afghans, in addition to the predominant IVC and Iranic nomad ancestry (Saka, Kushan, Hepthalite) we have. We even have ancient pure Iranic populations like Kalash (called Nuristanis in Afghanistan) and African origin Makrani people.

Your racial caricatures of Pukhtoons also is highly offensive and false. They form 25% of our population, are represented in all cities, have high degree of intermarriage with other groups, and form distinct groups all over Pakistan such as Hindkowan of Hazara, Niazis of Central Punjab, and significant populations in Balochistan, Karachi, and North Punjab.

That's not perhaps a bad thing. Maybe you guys are like Wild West Americans in the 19th century, still trying to find your own identity. Who knows? You know yourself better than I do.

To outsiders who don't understand Pakistan, it can seem an insurmountable task to understand us. However, for those willing to ask questions and accept the answers given by Pakistanis, it will make sense.

Now sitting in a pind in Central Punjab or mountains of KPK, we would laugh at anyone who would claim we have some confusion about our identity. This is the soil of our fathers and the air breathed in by them, we are most comfortable in who we are. We are Pakistanis.

May i suggest that everyone stick to the Topic and quit off topic, troll posts ??

Sorry sir, I will bow out of off-topic discussions now.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Secular lifestyle failed in Pakistan.

It also failed in Iran. It's not your fault: I blame the CIA for the current mess. In Pakistan, they facilitated the rise and sustenance of General Zia Ul Haq. Even Late Benazir Bhutto used to say: "Hindustan say hazaar saal jung karengy". The Americans needed your people as foot soliders against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is what started the Mujahiddeens.

And I agree with your Prime Minister when he says in the UN Assembly: Pakistan has paid the highest cost in the war on terror.

Like it or not, having an Islamic theocracy like Iran will not work out well for Pakistan. The only future of the country is to embrace its liberal and secular credentials, just like your Late Quaid e Azam had envisioned. You can call it an Islamic republic but moving towards Taliban style government will be a disaster not only for Pakistan, but also for us. We don't want a single one of those rabid, crazy unreasonable Afghans coming over here. We don't mind dealing with the Pakistanis but the Afghan crazies are simply not worth any discussions. They're not even human beings as far as I can tell.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It also failed in Iran. It's not your fault: I blame the CIA for the current mess. In Pakistan, they facilitated the rise and sustenance of General Zia Ul Haq. Even Late Benazir Bhutto used to say: "Hindustan say hazaar saal jung karengy". The Americans needed your people as foot soliders against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is what started the Mujahiddeens.

And I agree with your Prime Minister when he says in the UN Assembly: Pakistan has paid the highest cost in the war on terror.

Like it or not, having an Islamic theocracy like Iran will not work out well for Pakistan. The only future of the country is to embrace its liberal and secular credentials, just like your Late Quaid e Azam had envisioned. You can call it an Islamic republic but moving towards Taliban style government will be a disaster not only for Pakistan, but also for us. We don't want a single one of those rabid, crazy unreasonable Afghans coming over here. We don't mind dealing with the Pakistanis but the Afghan crazies are simply not worth any discussions. They're not even human beings as far as I can tell.

All for Pakistanis and Afghans to decide, not you.

Now let's let the thread go back to the intended topic.

 

[Armchair]

North Indian states r only good at lynching minorities. once done with Muslims they will declare the very different dharma of the southern Indians as "not Hinduism" and start screwing them over.

 

[SrNair]

north indians pay the most price for useless indian ego against Pakistan and hatred spread by Indian extremist hindu govt against Pakistan. the time indians start thinking about development and peace with others and stop spreading terrorism against Pakistan whole india and region will start progress at very fast pace as Pakistan PM and leaders always said.

We Indians know how to take care of ourselves ,development and citizens .
Foreign nations including neighbours are not a part of it

I'll say what I like and if it irks you, you could stay holed up in your basement.

If it irks me ,I will show your place .
You are not elugible to pass certificates about us .
And no Indians cares that also

South Indians are way better in every aspect. Be it education, economy or even morally.
Northern Indians are developing their mobbing, murdering, raping skills nowadays.

So be it .
What is your problem ?
All of them are in India itself not outside right ?
We South Indians dony have any issue .So what is your problem?

He knows you are right, he is just trying to satisfy his brain with false words. No artificial country can stay alive for long.

Did we asks for your judgements?
Republic of India as we see in the map will propser develop and will help each other and together will remains as great nation.
While a Pakistani ,be it UK or in Pakistan will remain as a Pakistani and are nothing in India .

 

[American Pakistani]

Did we asks for your judgements?
Republic of India as we see in the map will propser develop and will help each other and together will remains as great nation.
While a Pakistani ,be it UK or in Pakistan will remain as a Pakistani and are nothing in India .

Honestly I have zero lost love of South dravidia. But your dravidians keep crying about Bharti mistreatment of you lot.

 

[IMARV]

@Joe Shearer Another new Indian recruit, just see the pattern.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer Another new Indian recruit, just see the pattern.

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Who is that 'new Indian recruit'?

 

[IMARV]

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Who is that 'new Indian recruit'?

OP

 

[Joe Shearer]

OP

Interesting.

Why are you leaving out #6 and #12 posts from consideration? Look at the stats.

 

[SrNair]

Honestly I have zero lost love of South dravidia. But your dravidians keep crying about Bharti mistreatment of you lot.

So what is your problem?
You are not even an Indian.

We are Indians will remain as Indians .
You can cry just as an outsider with full bright jealousy .