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Why is Russia selling weapons to Pakistan ?

Since it has been declared that Russia is selling mi-35 hind attack helicopters to Pakistan. The deal has created a lot of buzz among common people of India, especially on social media. All with one question, 'WHY'?

Russian economy depends mainly on two industries, petroleum and defense. As western countries have put many rounds of sanctions on Russia and they being one of the biggest customers of Russian oil has adversely affected Russian economy and with that, the steep fall in global oil prices has worsen the situation. This has left one option for the Russian economy to make up for the loss in the petroleum industry and i.e. Defense. Russia can set off the losses suffered in the petroleum industry by boosting sales of a successful defense industry. Along with this reason, the defense industry has its own reason for boosting sales of defense hardware. The Defense sector in Russia employs around 3 million people which is more than 20% of the total manufacturing jobs in Russia. To keep up with supply this industry generates, it needs a similar demand which is not possible by domestic orders as Russian orders are mostly very small for this capital intensive industry to survive and hence they need exports orders.

Earlier two countries, namely China and India used to act as life savers, accounting for more than 60% of Russian defense sales. But now with development of domestic industry of China and the diversification of defense portfolios by India allowing more western and domestic weapons, Russia is already feeling the burn of it. From years Russia is desperately trying to sell all its new weaponry to India or China (for eg- su-35 and SA300 SAM) with most attempts going in vein. So Russian policy makers have now started searching new customers for its compulsive need to sell weapon to sustain its defense industry as there are lesser chances available with India and China now.

But many would ask questions as to why only Pakistan which is not only an enemy of one of its best friend India but was also directly involved against Russia in Afghanistan?

Pakistan is a very ambitious country when it come to acquiring defense products. It has always tried to match up with its arch rival India (forgetting that India's defense preparedness is based more on the Chinese factor rather than Pakistan), so it always want to acquire latest weapons. With the relationship between Pakistan and USA on the decline after the Osama Bin Laden incident and also America's new diplomatic approach towards India, USA and other western countries are reluctant in selling latest weapons to Pakistan.

This has given a perfect opportunity for Russia to sell its weapon to an always weapon hungry Pakistan. By this Russia is actually fulfilling its two objectives.

First by giving its defense industry a possible lifeline by selling small quantities of weapons to Pakistan now, which in the long term can ensure a bigger order from Pakistan which is currently dependent on Chinese weapons.

Second being a warning to India which is tilting more towards countries like America and Israel for latest he-tech weapons acquisition. In simple words, Russia is basically telling India to either 'come back to us or we will have to find a new customer and it can be your arch rival also'. So for Russia it is more of a strategic move rather than a commercial one.

For now, till what point will this new defense business between Russia and Pakistan will go will all depend on just two points. First, till what level is Russia willing to elevate defense trade with Pakistan & ignoring the risk of parting away from and economic powerhouse like India and second, what will be the Indian strategic re-approach towards Russia.
 
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If Russia economy keep derailing they will keep selling fighter, frigates subs?
 
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Let's try to to do it, They are already become a Looser and will loose more and more. For One billion they will loose 50 times more from India. For India lot of Options. Don't forget What they are selling to India today they are selling more superior product to China either directly or indirectly. Nothing can hide anymore.
 
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Let's try to to do it, They are already become a Looser and will loose more and more. For One billion they will loose 50 times more from India. For India lot of Options. Don't forget What they are selling to India today they are selling more superior product to China either directly or indirectly. Nothing can hide anymore.
Actually Su 30MKI is better than MkK.

Will Indian feel annoyed when Russia sell weapons to Pakistan? How deep is that?
 
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Pakistan has never been a good friend of any country if you go back to history, either Pakistan has used other country for personal gains or vise a versa... Russia has long been a staunch supporter of India and a commercial partner.. Political shift for Pakistan and India both from Us to China and Russia to US is the reason for this major setback for India. I think if India stick to it's stand for Russian weapons now and play a diplomatic game with US would be good as Russia can rush to Indian rescue much faster then US....

If Russia economy keep derailing they will keep selling fighter, frigates subs?
I think that is what we see as current trend... Russia is in deperate need of foreign funds... due to major sanctions...
 
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SU35 is not coming to Pakistan, this is for sure. Pakistan is not in condition to buy them and maintain them. neither Russia is interested in giving them lethal tech. They know the outcome of that. That is parts being sold to black market, or china. As China is also struggling to develop their own engine.

Russia is aware that India is signatory of NAM. Hence India sees only it's interest and nothing. What ever India is doing is to counter China and not Russia along with also taking care that any move by India with US should not become threat to Russia. That's why India is basically doing Naval exercises with US. It does not threat Russia near South China sea.

That's how it works.
 
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SU35 is not coming to Pakistan, this is for sure. Pakistan is not in condition to buy them and maintain them. neither Russia is interested in giving them lethal tech. They know the outcome of that. That is parts being sold to black market, or china. As China is also struggling to develop their own engine.

Russia is aware that India is signatory of NAM. Hence India sees only it's interest and nothing. What ever India is doing is to counter China and not Russia along with also taking care that any move by India with US should not become threat to Russia. That's why India is basically doing Naval exercises with US. It does not threat Russia near South China sea.

That's how it works.
India virtually long left NAM after 1962 War when US came to Indian aid and not Russian during Cuba Missile issue as China too is communist like Russia... Russia knows very well that Indian Defense budget is way high then Pakistan which is like $7 Billion dollars approximately.. Russia needs long term Allie for selling weapans with big defense budget..such dream cannot be fulfilled with Pakistan knowing how much she is tilted towards China ... Russia is thus achieving short term goals..
 
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Pakistan has never been a good friend of any country if you go back to history, either Pakistan has used other country for personal gains or vise a versa... Russia has long been a staunch supporter of India and a commercial partner.. Political shift for Pakistan and India both from Us to China and Russia to US is the reason for this major setback for India. I think if India stick to it's stand for Russian weapons now and play a diplomatic game with US would be good as Russia can rush to Indian rescue much faster then US....


I think that is what we see as current trend... Russia is in deperate need of foreign funds... due to major sanctions...

Realpolitik entails that friends are not forever, US invited Hekmatyar to White house, President Regan compared him to George Washington and other freedom fighters of US, today he is declared terrorist according to US. Iran hated Taliban, today reports say Iran is funding them to counter IS in Afghanistan. Same way US need Pak to contain USSR through CENTO and SEATO defence treaties, today they are aligned with India to contain China. It is natural for Russia to move closer to Pak. This is how Int'l politics is played, no emotions simply interests. Russian interests have been compounded by the One Belt & Road initiative which will link it, along with central asia & Pak, to China's western region of Xingjiang thereby giving it access to Arabian Sea allowing it a strategic reach into Indian Ocean.
 
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India virtually long left NAM after 1962 War when US came to Indian aid and not Russian during Cuba Missile issue as China too is communist like Russia... Russia knows very well that Indian Defense budget is way high then Pakistan which is like $7 Billion dollars approximately.. Russia needs long term Allie for selling weapans with big defense budget..such dream cannot be fulfilled with Pakistan knowing how much she is tilted towards China ... Russia is thus achieving short term goals..

i do not think Russian improved relation with Pakistan is just due to market. I think they could see a strong Anti American sentiment in Pakistan which will allign their interest against US in long term. In that way Russia, Pakistan and China and to some extent, Iran and Afganistan can make a pivot against US and West in long run. Russia is targeting Pakistan for a long range objective than just selling few fighter jets.
 
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SU35 is not coming to Pakistan, this is for sure. Pakistan is not in condition to buy them and maintain them. neither Russia is interested in giving them lethal tech. They know the outcome of that. That is parts being sold to black market, or china. As China is also struggling to develop their own engine.

Russia is aware that India is signatory of NAM. Hence India sees only it's interest and nothing. What ever India is doing is to counter China and not Russia along with also taking care that any move by India with US should not become threat to Russia. That's why India is basically doing Naval exercises with US. It does not threat Russia near South China sea.

That's how it works.

As I said before Realpolitik entails serving self interest, US currently is selling 15 AH-1Z Vipers to Pakistan and 22 Apaches to India. Russian Deputy FM, can't lie, you cannot know more than him. However its still in the negotiations phase.
With $20 Plus Billion in reserves, with Moody's increasing Pak's rating, with international financial institutions announcing that even with the current GDP growth rate 4-5% , it is set to come among the Top 25 economies of the world in the next 10 years, not to forget being the World's sixth most populous country, world's sixth largest army, seventh largest airforce ( one of the first countries to use F16s in combat ), You claim Pak can't buy SU 35. Please get a life.
As far as spare parts being given to China are concerned, please do your research before spreading misinformation, China is set to become the first customer of SU-35, they dont need Pakistan to smuggle them spare parts.
China Nears Deal to Acquire Russia's Lethal Su-35 Fighter | The National Interest Blog
 
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Let's try to to do it, They are already become a Looser and will loose more and more. For One billion they will loose 50 times more from India. For India lot of Options. Don't forget What they are selling to India today they are selling more superior product to China either directly or indirectly. Nothing can hide anymore.

Pakistan has never been a good friend of any country if you go back to history, either Pakistan has used other country for personal gains or vise a versa

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Indians need to understand something, $. Sure Russia will lose out on $billions from India but will it? Will India after 1947-2015 of investing in Soviet/Russian hardware, training, maintenance, technology, pretty much integrating the Indian Armed Forces with Russia just overnight throw out all it's Russian hardware because of 4, thats right 4 Mi35s?

India has already integrated itself with Russia into the 5th Generational Fighter Jet. The PAKFA. The hundreds of MKIs, MiG29s, II76/78/38s, Mi35/26/8/17s, Tu-142s, Ka-31/28s of the 4/4.5th Generation will remain the workhorse of the IAF for decades to come. Do you think honestly that the Indian AirForce is going to get rid of all it's Russian hardware because of 4 helicopters. That's right 4 helicopters. Not to mention other Russian technology and hardware used by the Indian Armed Forces?

Over 4 helicopters the Indians are going to spend, lets say $100 Billion, to go on a buying spree of Western Airplanes and maintenance training to give the finger to Putin?

It's 4 Mi35s, that were sold, can you recall to who? The Pakistani Anti-Narcotics Force. Now why to the ANF? Simple, language. Russia is just reminding India that they too can diversify. And they too are allowed to sell their technology to anyone they want.

Vis-a-Visa Pakistan-India these 4 Mi35s mean nothing. They don't change anything in the Security Dilemma. The Balance of Power hasn't changed, Pakistan isn't going to be marching it's Army across the border because of these 4 Mi-35s. If Indians are peeing in their pants over them then they might as well just surrender Kashmir to Pakistan.

Get over it. Its 4 helicopters.

You're not pissed off that Russia sold Pakistan helicopters. You're pissed off that someone in the world is still willing to sell Military Hardware to Pakistan. No matter how strong India becomes either economically or politically the world isn't going to change it's mind over Pakistan Occupied Kashmir/ Azad Kashmir being part of India rather than Pakistan. The world isn't going to tolerate or allow a war to happen over 'a line in the sand.'

The borders of Pakistan and India are marked.

And aren't going to change.

Neither is the greed of the Defense Industry.
 
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:hitwall:

Indians need to understand something, $. Sure Russia will lose out on $billions from India but will it? Will India after 1947-2015 of investing in Soviet/Russian hardware, training, maintenance, technology, pretty much integrating the Indian Armed Forces with Russia just overnight throw out all it's Russian hardware because of 4, thats right 4 Mi35s?

India has already integrated itself with Russia into the 5th Generational Fighter Jet. The PAKFA. The hundreds of MKIs, MiG29s, II76/78/38s, Mi35/26/8/17s, Tu-142s, Ka-31/28s of the 4/4.5th Generation will remain the workhorse of the IAF for decades to come. Do you think honestly that the Indian AirForce is going to get rid of all it's Russian hardware because of 4 helicopters. That's right 4 helicopters. Not to mention other Russian technology and hardware used by the Indian Armed Forces?

Over 4 helicopters the Indians are going to spend, lets say $100 Billion, to go on a buying spree of Western Airplanes and maintenance training to give the finger to Putin?

It's 4 Mi35s, that were sold, can you recall to who? The Pakistani Anti-Narcotics Force. Now why to the ANF? Simple, language. Russia is just reminding India that they too can diversify. And they too are allowed to sell their technology to anyone they want.

Vis-a-Visa Pakistan-India these 4 Mi35s mean nothing. They don't change anything in the Security Dilemma. The Balance of Power hasn't changed, Pakistan isn't going to be marching it's Army across the border because of these 4 Mi-35s. If Indians are peeing in their pants over them then they might as well just surrender Kashmir to Pakistan.

Get over it. Its 4 helicopters.

You're not pissed off that Russia sold Pakistan helicopters. You're pissed off that someone in the world is still willing to sell Military Hardware to Pakistan. No matter how strong India becomes either economically or politically the world isn't going to change it's mind over Pakistan Occupied Kashmir/ Azad Kashmir being part of India rather than Pakistan. The world isn't going to tolerate or allow a war to happen over 'a line in the sand.'

The borders of Pakistan and India are marked.

And aren't going to change.

Neither is the greed of the Defense Industry.

No one in India gives a flying fuckk about those rusty Mi 35s,be rest assured.It's the possible selling of Su 35S to PAF which has heat a nerve.
 
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russia is selling wepons to pakistan cause it needs money ... simple :coffee:
 
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