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Why Is India So Reluctant To Celebrate Its Tejas Success Story?

Tejas will be Indian.

With all that stuff ?? how ??

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So, getting a airplane manufactured by China, trying to learn the manufacturing technique, and, trying different configurations and ordnance is not a bad thing at all. It should have been a very exciting experience for Pakistani team. The design and research phase saved a lot of money and considering the low economic performance of the country, the situation of the industry is quite encouraging.

The matter is, as long as PAF is able to redesign, test and improve it whenever and whatever they need, that is the big advantage for them which most of the countries in the world do not have.
 
So whats Indian

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder CABS
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system INDIAN
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3 DARE
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian
On board oxygen generator - Indian (L&T)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)


You forgot one more ...

$h1t of pilot over looking JF-17 ... INDIAN... lol
 
uffff - you competing with a country that doesn't even have a wind tunnel - and yet teja flew 30 years later - donate that wind tunnel to HAL -
Lol u trolling right?
My college have wind tunnel
Iit mumbai have big windtunnel facility i have seen it.
iisc bangalore have wind tunnel facility pretty advanced one,do you even know what is world ranking of iisc?
Iisc has
low speed wind tunnels
Hypersonic wind tunnels
And shock tube facility.
Dude dont talk shit.
 
You forgot one more ...

$h1t of pilot over looking JF-17 ... INDIAN... lol

One bore B.S comment and I will be forced to press the report button.
Wanna argue properly, than do it properly.

This is the thread for the LCA not the JF-17 aka FC-1 aka Project MIG 33
 
One bore B.S comment and I will be forced to press the report button.
Wanna argue properly, than do it properly.

This is the thread for the LCA not the JF-17 aka FC-1 aka Project MIG 33
WHY you did not told this to your fellow indian citizens above when they brought in JF-17 ..

Its official , you guys cant even understand jokes ...
 
people are frankly embarrassed that tejas took so long. the problem is with managing expectation. Instead of saying anytime soon, its nearly there, 5 mins more.. just close your eyes and open... the agency involved should have been forthcoming with real timeline. Its hard everybody knows but if you miss deadline multiple times, you are a joke and dont expect a pat at the back.
@Kal Muah I would ask the company that promised to deliver software to get real with delivery timeline... clients do not have infinite patience and people wont 'understand' your problem if you lie about real state of product everytime client asks you.
 
Can any one make a list of number of hate threads of lca in this forum (thread name ,creator,date),cause this data is worth noting and it shows how much butt hurt the thread starters,propoganda artists and trolls are.
 
Yes we took 30 years to develop a fighter jet.It's been almost 70 years since independence and you didnt even start a project of your own. So....sir, with due respect, STFU. :)

The Pakistanis started a project of their own in 1987, to upgrade an existing F-7 (Chinese copy of MiG-21)

This was very unrealistically ambitious project considering Pakistan's limited Aerospace capabilities.

Not surprisingly Pakistan terminated the project within 2 years in 1989.

Initiated by the PAF in 1987, the American consultant, Grumman, was contracted to provide crucial advice to define the concepts of the modern aircraft design with the specialists from the PAF and the Chinese PLAAF.

After studying with Grumman, the PAF terminated the program as it was considered unfeasible on economic grounds; the Grumman itself ejected from the project as the sanctions were by the United States on China due to student protest in 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sabre_II

India had already achieved in 1975 what Pakistan wished to achieve in 1989, upgrading an existing platform i.e HAL Ajeet, which was an upgraded variant of Folland Gnat

The changes from the original Gnat were considerable. They included:

  • Improvements to the hydraulics and control systems (these had been a source of difficulties in the Gnat).
  • Fitting of improved Martin-Baker GF4 ejection seats.
  • Upgraded avionics.
  • The addition of slab tail control surfaces.
  • Improvements to the landing gear.
  • Additional internal fuel capacity, with wet wings to free the underwing pylons normally carried by the Gnat for weapons.
  • Installation of two more underwing hardpoints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Ajeet

India even finished its own first indigenous fighter jet in 1961

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_HF-24_Marut

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In 2001 India had its second indigenous fighter Tejas.

While 2008 Pakistan has achieved the capability to manufacture 4th generation fighter.

Its 2016 and nowhere there is any rumor/ report of Pakistani indigenous fighter even on drawing board.

This huge gap between India and Pakistan is simply logical as India has longer history of Aerospace, more research, finances and greater industrial capability.

The gap between Indian and Pakistani aerospace industries can be best understood by the difference in aerospace exports

For 2013 Pakistan's Aerospace exports valued $ 8 million
In the same year Indian Aerospace exports stood at $2.56 billion

The difference is in the ratio 1:320.

Unable to accept the above realities Pakistani prefer beliefs of superior Aerospace industry/capability.

As of recent Pakistanis even believe that Tejas is incapable of flying because it was displayed on a trailer, despite several videos available on video sites of Tejas flight even missile tests.

With such a gullible populace, The Pakistani Govt exploits this further fooling its populace into believing Pakistan has superior missile and space program than India.
 
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So in essence PAF played a master stroke by not sending the Thunders.

The saga of Tejas's "heroic" flight in foreign skies died its own slow death.

Kudos PAF :tup:
Hold your horses! The PAF didn't send their Thunders because they chickened out seeing that Tejas would have stolen the show! :D

And that, ladies and gentlemen, would have been an embarrassment of galactic proportions with a lot of egg on peoples faces! :cheesy:

Well done Tejas! Cheers! :cheers:
 
Why for Devils sake every thread regarding LCA becomes a comparison thread.. the report is about Indian Media , Govt ignoring Tejas display in Bahrain .. do not Troll

Dear Pakistani Members ...... First trying to make a screw of your own then think about aircrafts
Indians -- please understand the value and limitation of your product, dont be bites for the trolls
 
With all that stuff ?? how ??

Martin Baker Ejection Seats -- Most prefer the reliable ejection seat, and Martin Baker have the decades of experience and most important the reliability. However India is developing its own Ejection Seats, and due to its nature of reliability, and zero failure and testing phase which includes the long rail track to mimic the supersonic speed at which operates, I won't be surprise if it take decades for DRDO.

LCA Air Frame Designed by Dassault -- Now who the hell is the IDIOT who thinks so, and if any one thinks so, pls provide the source for that. LCA air frame was designed by ADA with the CFD modelling technique and the the ip rights and the aerodynamic data and the wind tunnel data is with the ADA. The role of the Dassault was they are the one who did audit/verification the project definition which is a standard procedure which is done by a reliable and experience OEM and Dassault have Decades of experience in designing of the fighter planes.

There are couple of idiots who think that LCA since have the Delta design, so it is the copy of the Mirrage 2000, for those people it was from the start why ADA went for the tailless compound Delta platform, and keep on developing FBW, FADEEC, Composite, Kaveri because

1. No Engine was available of the required flat rating.
2. Small size required so that MIG-21 despenser facility could be used.
3. FBW and FADEEC and composite was must other wise it won't be able to meed the IAF ASR of high altitude test in Leh with full load, short take off and landing capability.

F-404INS Engine India is not the first country who is using foriegn engine e.g SAAB Gripen, actually in the global world manufacturing each and every component is idiotic thing just like Boeing and Airbus is manufacturing 747 and 320 with more than 40,000 subcontractors all around the world.
Kaveri program did give us lot of experience in the turbo fan engine development and it was delinked from the LCA program. The next avataar of LCA Tejas MK-2 will have F-414IN engine and most probably with TVC whose TVC nossle is available from US or Euro OEM.

EL/M-2052 -- Well you might not be full aware of all the facts that ELTA have offered to codeveloped the next upgraded AESA radar. and not to mentioned the UTTAM AESA Radar Development program, and India is working on AESA from 90's and EL/M-2052 and Python and Derby are for the time being till Uttam and Astra MK-2 is developed. Now why Astra MK-2 would be so important, it is because Astra MK-2 could be fired in buddy mode aka it could use other aircraft FCR Radar say e.g Su-30 MKI huge radar, keeping its own radar on silent and its small size and low RCS to close the distance from the enemy.

R77 who gave you such information that R77 would be the primrary BVR of the LCA Tejas, but with the IP rights and knowledge, it would be easy for the HAL to integrade all BVR available in India -- R-77, R-63, Derby, Python, MICA IR/RF, Astra Mk1/Mk2. but for the LMCA lCA tejas whose primrary role is interceptor, Astra is more than enough.


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So, getting a airplane manufactured by China, trying to learn the manufacturing technique, and, trying different configurations and ordnance is not a bad thing at all. It should have been a very exciting experience for Pakistani team. The design and research phase saved a lot of money and considering the low economic performance of the country, the situation of the industry is quite encouraging.

The matter is, as long as PAF is able to redesign, test and improve it whenever and whatever they need, that is the big advantage for them which most of the countries in the world do not have.

Question is does Pakistan have the IPR and the Aerodynamic cofficient data for JF-17. Well FC-1 was originally the soviet design of project Mig-33 which was single engine mig 29 variant, whose blue print and flight testing data and IPR was bought as the abandoned project of the Soviet from the MIG Co by the AVIC and China somehow continues this project, when Pakistan jumped into this project, by partially funding the project with 500 Million dollor. In short AVIC fails to get any order in PLAAF, and targeted the export market, of which PAF become the first customer.

So there are two type of advantage to the Pakistan other than the plane itself which she urgently needed for the replacement of the ageing old J-7, Nachang Q-5 Bomber, and Mirrage3/5

1. Local Industry growth and industrial know how -- It depend on the number of the subcontrators supplying various parts other than PAC, because local industry plays a vital role in the development of the whole eco system. Very less information is available to me but what I learn till now is that few avionics are now locally manufactured by the local vendors and some subsystem. What I learn is that all the gigs, Dies and equipment used for the manufacturing has been provided by the AVIC to the PAC Kamra, then PAC would learn to manufacture and various technique and technology like welding, integration etc, but if the Pakistan claim of indigenous manufacturing of the trainer like K-7 is there, then PAC already have that experience, plus the repair and maintenance experience of the Mirrage 3/5. So in short technique and technologies to manufacture parts and air frame somehow close to TOT.

2. Intellectual Know How -- If PAC have actively participated in the design and development program of this project from the ground, which I don't think so, because it was started by the MIG OEM and gave the prelimanary design and all data to AVIC and AVIC was long working on this project keeping it alive. Now if you can give me the number of the engineers going from the Pakistan who had worked in this project, and AVIC is so generous to the Pakistan and is happily sharing its IPRs and the aerodynamic and CFD model design data then Pakistan would be able to change or tweek the JF-17 of its own, and if it has absorbed all know how of the designing process, then pakistan is able to build a new aircraft of its own.
 
:cheers: I didnt know success stories took 30 years to materialize. nevertheless ill be a good sport. congrats finally it left the trailer.
the flight display was careful and ordinary . meaning it wasnt bad but there was noting to leave you stunned and surprised as originally being claimed. Indian media lost the interest in reporting because there was no no show from PAF and thats the saving grace out of this disinterest for the Indian media.
 
Don't bother to ask God or Allah, it will be combat ready from the Day 1 of FOC




Better Engine -- Which one AL-31 are you kidding, it will mean to change the whole fuselarge, whole airframe, flight data and whole test in another word to develop another new plane, better would be to buy J-10 with Saturn AL-31 engine
Better Avionics -- Who is stopping you to buy for JF-17 from the Itallion or BEL/CASSIDIAN but its the PAF and the officials who are satisfied with the Chinese.
Better Radar -- Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA Radar is available for India from 2007, question is does is it available for the PAF or Chinese, but don't worry the KLJ-7 Radar is nothing but the Zhuk Pulse doppler radar, with Chinese Antenna.





So whats Indian

Airframe build - indian
Air Intake - Indian
CFC structure - TAML (tata advance material ltd)
The open-architecture integrated defensive aids suite (IDAS) Mayavi
Operational Data link (ODL) - Indian (DARE)
Mission Computer - Indian (HAL)
EW Suite - Indian (IDAS)
RAM-1701AS radio altimeter
TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker
CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder CABS
COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio
HADF - Siva Pod
SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel VHF/UHF and L-band radio
Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system INDIAN
Sigma-95N ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system coupled to a GPS receiver - SAGEM
RWR - Indian Tarang MK 2/3 DARE
Glass Cockpit - Indian
Training Software - Indian
On board oxygen generator - Indian (L&T)
Pilot G-Suit - Indian
FBW - Indian
Landing Gear - Indian
Tyre - Indian (MRF)
Basically the air frame and other parts such as landing gear which even a village here could make.
 

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