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Why Indian special forces are way behind the US Navy seals? Defence Minister Parrikar clears emergency modernisation plan of weapons but our commandos need more
By Ajit K Dubey00:24 GMT 24 Dec 2016, updated 00:46 GMT 24 Dec 2016

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  • India is behind the US and Israel by decades in equipment and technology
  • A proposal from the three services to create a Special Force command
  • Experts say India is lagging in terms of technology, equipment and thought process
  • See more news from India at www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome
Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar cleared a Rs 300- crore proposal to buy critical equipment for the Indian Army's Special Forces, but sources say the elite units will continue to lag by a distance from their American and Israeli counterparts.

The plan includes purchase of over 1,100 automatic assault rifles, 1,000 freefall parachutes, sniper rifles, machine guns and lightweight rocket launchers for the army's nine battalions of Special Forces troops.

Buying spree

'The army proposal for buying weapon systems under the fast-track procedure was given a go-ahead by the minister at the Defence Acquisition Council meeting and would help the force buy critical equipment such as new automatic rifles, sniper rifles and silencers,' sources said.

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Army proposal for buying weapon systems under the fast-track procedure was given a go-ahead by the minister at the Defence Acquisition Council meeting
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The procurement would help the Special Forces get equipment to carry out their task more effectively.

But if we compare our troops with the US Navy SEALs or Israeli special operatives, India is behind them by decades in equipment and technology.

'In terms of toughness, we are far better than them. However, it is technology, equipment and thought process where we lag far behind them,' said a Special Forces officer who trained with American soldiers in the US.

'When they go for operations, they are backed heavily by drones and satellites to enhance their domain awareness.'

Special operations are treated like a national mission for the US and if the troops on ground want, they can call in for a missile or combat aircraft strike on the targets.

To meet weapons requirements, the Special Forces have been sanctioned to buy around 20 machine guns from US or Israeli sources.

The newly raised 11 and 12 Para (SF) units were also deployed with normal infantry weapons such as the AK-47 and INSAS rifles to carry out operations in the Northeast and did not even have enough weapons.

SF operatives say during corps and command-level exercises on China border, a senior commander recently asked how deep could they go inside China and the reply was, 'as deep as our feet can take us'.

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The Special Forces have been demanding special platforms like the V-22 Osprey helicopter of the US, which can quietly take small teams in and out of terrain such as Tibet where enemy units are 100-150 kms from the Indian boundaries.

'A proposal was moved for buying such a dedicated aircraft, but it was shot down at the level of army headquarters itself,' a source from Para Special Forces told Mail Today.

India bought the C-130J special operations aircraft from the US in 2007-08, but they can be used for airdropping para commandos and are not suitable for surgical strikes.

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'If we compare the SEALs operation where they took out Laden, they silently flew inside the heart of Pakistan and took him out in Special Operations Black Hawk helicopters.'

'We can only boast of Mi-17V5 transport choppers which too are not dedicated for us,' another officer said.

Officers from the Para (SF) say the Americans and the Israelis have their central command for carrying out special operations while the status of the Special Forces units is getting degraded in recent times.

'The SF units which were earlier controlled at the Command headquarters level were allotted to lower corps formations where they are used like infantry battalion. This is under-utilisation of such units,' an officer said.

The Americans have their Joint Special Operations Command which has all special operatives under it and it deals directly with the US Defence Secretary and President while carrying out any action.

A proposal from the three services to create a Special Force command is awaiting clearance from the defence ministry.
 
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I agree, it's not just SF even our regular infantry is a decade behind the army needs a good shot in the arm for upgrading the gear of our forces and bring them to present technology.
 
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We need real higher defence reforms, not just ad-hoc purchases.

CDS is the biggest reform there is. There are indications it might happen in 2017.
 
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Several factors are there..

1. US invested billions of dollars over the years to gather these kind of unprecedented capability.Training and to equip a single soldier costs them half a mil to a million dollars.I wonder if any country can spend this kind of money.

2. A special soldier requires special weapons as well. The black project helo this guys were mentioning,US probably invested hundreds of mils for R&D.In India,they can't purchase basic body armor in the first place.

Purchase of random number of equipment can't help.It should be systematic.Capability as well as equipment should be the way,along with change of policies.But who are we kidding.
 
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It's not about equipment only. Pakistan special forces standard was increased due to war on terror and US support. but it is not only about special forces equipment. I guarantee no one would have more weapons than gulf countries special forces.

1) A special force operation with weak intelligence will be a failure. Even few terrorists can defeat them when intelligence is weak.
2) A special force personal with less will to give his life for the country will be a failure. Syrian special forces surrendered to ISIS in raqqa. Similarly in mohmand agency in raids on a terrorist positions SSG ran out of weapons.They used stones and knifes to fight. 7 laid down their lifes but they never retreated and killed all terrorists and completed their mission.
3) A special force with less training and experience will fail.
4) A special force with less backing from other branches of armed forces in many operations will also fail mostly. Like airforce or other branches. US commondos in afghanistan needed such help many times. and they were successful only because of this help.
5) A special force operating with bad planning will fail.
6) A special forces whose country undermine it's standard will see failure due to this one weakness.

Several factors are there..

1. US invested billions of dollars over the years to gather these kind of unprecedented capability.Training and to equip a single soldier costs them half a mil to a million dollars.I wonder if any country can spend this kind of money.

2. A special soldier requires special weapons as well. The black project helo this guys were mentioning,US probably invested hundreds of mils for R&D.In India,they can't purchase basic body armor in the first place.

Purchase of random number of equipment can't help.It should be systematic.Capability as well as equipment should be the way,along with change of policies.But who are we kidding.
US soldier have 18 lac Pakistan rupees weapons each. Confirm cost.
 
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Indians show how far behind they are based on their surgical strikes.
haha, comments from a so called taiwanese . it is introspection , we have democracy in Bharat and such reports are necessary . BTW why you need usa to protect you ??????????? stop this bul$hit here always . taiwan ?? a country ???? do they exist ?? or is a puny bunch of people trying to locate their existence every now and then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_Mutual_Defense_Treaty
 
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