Why Indian Muslims don’t react to aggressive Hindutva politics.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistanis lecturing India about minorities lol thts a good joke right there , look at this forum itself , blatant Hinduphobic comments by members(same hinduphobes cry about Islamophobia)

Thats a reaction to low life indian kunts who justice this violence. Previous page and comments by your kind is nough to understand that.

And in India they do react by not voting them .

50% of your parliamentarians have criminal cases against them.

Keep shut.

First of all Pakistanis should care for muslims ethnicities like Balochis , Hazaras ,Mohajirs etc who are persecuted daily let alone non muslim minority

There are hazaras baloch muhajirs on this forum taking a dump on you..

That includes me too. So keep your fukin lies to yourself, Bose dk and we are ethnic groups of Pak not religious minorities. Unlike the persecuted north east indians whom u call chinkis, south indian whom u call black and you yourself bhaiyas.

Minority populations in India - 20%
Minority populations in Pakistan -2%
See the difference for yourself
India had multiple non hindus as head of the state including Muslims (bharat ratna APJ Abdul kalam sir)
Did Pakistan ever have or can it even dare to have non muslim as head of the state?

Bose DK, a ceremonial President doesnt mean jack when 15% of your population doesn’t even have 2% representation in Parliament or any service.

So you are free to live in your own lala land aka lynchistan.

 

[IFB]

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Most Indian parents wanted their children to be doctors, engineers and bankers. I ask, how many Indian parents wanted their children to be industrialists or general business people ??

This actually is pretty true...my own life is proof of that...i was pretty good in studies due to some tragedy i could not pass even 10th std...everyone in my surrounding said i was going to beg for food in the street and i was a worthless burden walking the face of this planet...whatever little english i speak i learned it mostly by watching old english movies...became a heavy driver...toiled for some years...took risk in buying a small 7 ton truck...everyone said i was going to fail...transport business is risky blah blah...now i own a transport company and my drivers earn more than most engineers (i still drive my trucks since i am young)....looking back the most useless thing in my opinion is indian education system...it needs to change.

 

[Unite & Defend]

We don't look, eat, speak the same - there is clear differentiation's between the two groups - hence two different countries.

Muslim and Hindus are the same . Pakistani and indian are same.we all.look alike , speak same, eat same. So much violence for merely different way of praying seems wrong. Hope peace prevails.

 

[Jackdaws]

You are partially correct. For example, if I am not wrong, domestic gas cylinders are subsidised. Such things.

Also, the preamble to the Constitution promises socialism to the citizen. The bureaucracy is, I agree, moderately socialistic.

But the background Indian social system is anti-socialism. Take for instance the suicides of farmers. About three days ago, a farmer from one of the southern states committed suicide because the 12.5 lakh rupees loan he had borrowed got inflated to 21 lakhs and he simply couldn't repay that high an amount. This is the tragedy brought by unchecked Capitalism.

Another area of concern is lack of labor laws governing the IT / ITES sectors. For example, IBM-USA has an employee union but IBM-India does not, and this because these Indian employees did not have the far sight to start an union. Therefore, when IBM-India began ruthlessly removing huge number of employees in early 2014 there was no one to speak on behalf of these employees.

@Jackdaws @Placemat

Unions made sense in the day of exploited coal miners. Now a business must have the right to hire and fire with a decent severance package. The competition is intense and businesses are not charities. If they don't make money, how will they survive? There must be recourse for a worker who feels wronged. But that's about it. Socialism should be doled out via Healthcare and Education not via jobs in the public and private sector.

 

[SIPRA]

This actually is pretty true...my own life is proof of that...i was pretty good in studies due to some tragedy i could not pass even 10th std...everyone in my surrounding said i was going to beg for food in the street and i was a worthless burden walking the face of this planet...whatever little english i speak i learned it mostly by watching old english movies...became a heavy driver...toiled for some years...took risk in buying a small 7 ton truck...everyone said i was going to fail...transport business is risky blah blah...now i own a transport company and my drivers earn more than most engineers (i still drive my trucks since i am young)....looking back the most useless thing in my opinion is indian education system...it needs to change.

Well done. Good to hear.

 

[Armchair]

there is a form of genocide that is slowly being committed by Hindutva terrorists under the full support of a hindu extremist government.

Indian Muslims should band together and form neighborhood watches, and attempt to move away and live in larger groups to protect themselves.

 

[jamahir]

This actually is pretty true...my own life is proof of that...i was pretty good in studies due to some tragedy i could not pass even 10th std...everyone in my surrounding said i was going to beg for food in the street and i was a worthless burden walking the face of this planet

Other than being generally empathetic to your case, I can understand also because I myself dropped out of 12th class.

But I still could become a teacher in a computer institute and start a computing-based company but that did not stop some relatives from advising me on how my life should be.

toiled for some years...took risk in buying a small 7 ton truck...everyone said i was going to fail...transport business is risky blah blah...now i own a transport company and my drivers earn more than most engineers (i still drive my trucks since i am young)

Bravo, sir, bravo.

looking back the most useless thing in my opinion is indian education system...it needs to change.

Agreed.

I believe the Yashpal Committee made some recommendations in this regard.

Unions made sense in the day of exploited coal miners. Now a business must have the right to hire and fire with a decent severance package. The competition is intense and businesses are not charities. If they don't make money, how will they survive? There must be recourse for a worker who feels wronged. But that's about it. Socialism should be doled out via Healthcare and Education not via jobs in the public and private sector.

I agree with most of what you say under the current economic system but these IBM-Bangalore employees were removed suddenly, without a severance package or a notice.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

what can they do against an overwhelming majority?
what cud jews do against nazi machine?
what cud minorities do against the pakistani establishment?
what cud armenians do against turks ?
what cud the kurds do against saddam ?
what cud the world do against the american juggernaut?


most of them were poor and had no means of getting out of india.
have some empathy, if not sympathy.

And what did the Pakistani establishment due to the minorities? Give them equal rights and freedoms? When Sikhs, Christians and "low cast" Hindus become parliamentarians in a country it shows how that country deals with its minorities.

Stop spreading your BS and propaganda taught to you by your uneducated media and government.
@Dubious @Arsalan why wont you deal with this propaganda and facts pulled out of his behind?

 

[IFB]

Bravo, sir, bravo.

Sir i am in my 20's only...dont deserve to be called as sir.

Other than being generally empathetic to your case, I can understand also because I myself dropped out of 12th class.

But I still could become a teacher in a computer institute and start a computing-based company but that did not stop some relatives from advising me on how my life should be.

Impressive indeed...reaffirms my rant on our education system...there are many IFB's and jamhir's who have fallen by the wayside...too many to count...but its people like us who are the real pillars of our economy...the corporate sector only contribute 12-15 per cent of our GDP.

 

[jamahir]

Sir i am in my 20's only...dont deserve to be called as sir.

But that is impressive. At that age most Indian youth... actually most South Asian youth, would be searching for corporate jobs in other companies, and not be thinking of having a business of their own.

 

[prashantazazel]

Agreed.

About three days ago, a farmer from one of the southern states committed suicide because the 12.5 lakh rupees loan he had borrowed got inflated to 21 lakhs and he simply couldn't repay that high an amount. This is the tragedy brought by unchecked Capitalism.

The young Leftist leader, Kanhaiya Kumar, wants "Poonjivaad se azaadi" ( Freedom from Capitalism ). This is what the Indian youth should work to achieve, not fight along the divisions brought by religion.

Agricultural loans have very low interest, but the bulk of that is cornered by corrupt people.
That farmer likely had taken loans from a loan shark.

Even your favorite ideology (socialism) won't generate enough funds for everyone. It will just redistribute the meagre wealth we have.

Successful democratic socialist states like Norway need a massive supply of resources to fund their social policy.
Plus, these semi socialist societies need capitalist markets like the American /Chinese.

Most of the wealth India has, has been a result of capitalist policy. The typical Indian is a low achiever. You need people like Ambani, Tata, Premji, Birla to push things.


An easy question - what wealth will you redistribute in a country like India? The pharma sector, services, manufacturing all owe their existence to capitalists.
The socialists can at max hope to be farmers and public servants /government officials.

 

[letsrock]

Agricultural loans have very low interest, but the bulk of that is cornered by corrupt people.
That farmer likely had taken loans from a loan shark.

Even your favorite ideology (socialism) won't generate enough funds for everyone. It will just redistribute the meagre wealth we have.

Successful democratic socialist states like Norway need a massive supply of resources to fund their social policy.
Plus, these semi socialist societies need capitalist markets like the American /Chinese.

Most of the wealth India has, has been a result of capitalist policy. The typical Indian is a low achiever. You need people like Ambani, Tata, Premji, Birla to push things.

An easy question - what wealth will you redistribute in a country like India? The pharma sector, services, manufacturing all owe their existence to capitalists.
The socialists can at max hope to be farmers and public servants /government officials.

The only wealth that is generated in India is poor people who toil in fields , artisans, construction workers primarily margnilized people. The upper classes in India are scammiest people in the world.

 

[GumNaam]

The only wealth that is generated in India is poor people who toil in fields , artisans, construction workers primarily margnilized people. The upper classes in India are scammiest people in the world.

well that is crap that the british left behind in charge..the upper class brahmin scammers on the indian side and the suck up landlord scammers on the Pakistani side. But THANK GOD ALL MIGHTY that our Military for the most part, remained away from these scammers for the most part in Pakistan. the indian military was not so lucky, the brahmin scammers have made very deep inroads into the indian military establishment which to has become corrupt and scammy to the core...you can see the result in their starving soldiers on the frontlines who would sell their weapons to Kashmiri freedom fighters for food and warm clothing and crashes of top of the line military aircraft due to poor maintenance (read maintenance funds gobbled up and laundered out).

 

[Zibago]

What could the Hindus, Christians and Ahmedis do when you became an Islamic Republic?


Anyhow, there are only a few cases of such violence in India. That's appreciable, since both communities are extremely backward by international standards.

Whats an odd lynching here and there right

 

[Kaniska]

Agreed.

About three days ago, a farmer from one of the southern states committed suicide because the 12.5 lakh rupees loan he had borrowed got inflated to 21 lakhs and he simply couldn't repay that high an amount. This is the tragedy brought by unchecked Capitalism.

The young Leftist leader, Kanhaiya Kumar, wants "Poonjivaad se azaadi" ( Freedom from Capitalism ). This is what the Indian youth should work to achieve, not fight along the divisions brought by religion.



You are actually correct but not in the way you think.

Islam is an older form of Socialism.

@jamahir ...I think you are one of few Indian members who is Indians and happens to be Muslim and well respected by differentbsectiin of Indian posters.Truely speaking, it is also a fact that we as a nation can not develop of 15% of our population is not developing in the same speed as some of the other section are developing..
Without any unnecessary Hiindu Muslim debate, can you provide a rational thought in a separate thread of how to uplift such large section of our country in quick time..