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The defence capability differential between China and India [ Images ] is rising at an alarming rate.
This will continue to constrain India's rise as a major regional and global player of any significance, says Harsh V Pant.


China has declared that its official defence budget for 2011 will rise by 12.7 percent from the previous year. Last year there was a lot of hoopla surrounding the fact that China had announced a mere 7.5 percent jump in its defence budget. It was the first time since the 1980s that China's defence spending increased in single-digit percentage. But this year we are back to the norm of double digit increases.

While the civilian leadership in China has tried to downplay the latest increase suggesting that much of the increase will go to human resources development, infrastructure and training, it is the response of the Chinese military that should be a matter of concern.

The military spokesman, Major General Luo Yuan, was unambiguous in suggesting that when it comes to military spending, there is no need for China 'to care about what others may think.' The international community has long demanded that China should be more transparent about the intentions behind its rapid defence spending. Now the Chinese military is making its strategic intent clear.

Divisions within China about the future course of nation's foreign policy are starker than ever before. It is now being suggested that much like young Japanese officers in the 1930s, young Chinese military officers are increasingly taking charge of strategy with the result that rapid military growth is shaping nation's broader foreign policy objectives.

Civil-military relations in China are under stress with the People's Liberation Army asserting its pride more forcefully than even before and demanding respect from other states. 'A country needs respect, and a military also needs respect,' wrote a major general last year in the PLA's newspaper. Not surprisingly, China has been more aggressive in asserting its interests not only vis-a-vis India but also vis-a-vis the US, the European Union, Japan [ Images ] and South-East Asian States.

The increasing assertion by the Chinese military and changing balance of power in the nation's civil-military relations should be a real cause of concern for China's neighbours. The pace of Chinese military modernisation has already taken the world by surprise and it is clear that the process is going much faster than many had anticipated.

A growing economic power, China is now concentrating on the accretion of military might so as to secure and enhance its own strategic interests. China, which has the largest standing army in the world with more than 2.3 million members, continues to make the most dramatic improvements in its nuclear force among the five nuclear powers and improvements in its conventional military capabilities are even more impressive.

What has been causing concern in Asia and beyond is the opacity that seems to surround China's military build-up, with an emerging consensus that Beijing's [ Images ] real military spending is at least double the announced figure.

The official figures of the Chinese government do not include the cost of new weapon purchases, research or other big-ticket items for China's highly secretive military and as a result, the real figures are much higher than the revealed amount.

Despite this, India's defence modernisation programme is faltering. This year the Indian government has allocated only 1.8 percent of the GDP to defence, though ostensibly the military expenditure has gone up by 11.58 percent. This is only the second time in over three decades that the defence to GDP ratio has fallen below 2 percent of the GDP.

This is happening at a time when India is expected to spend $112 billion on capital defense acquisitions over the next five years in what is being described as 'one of the largest procurement cycles in the world.' Indian military planners are shifting their focus away from Pakistan as China takes centre-stage in future strategic planning.

Over the past two decades, the military expenditure of India has been around 2.75 percent but since India has been experiencing significantly higher rates of economic growth over the last decade compared to any other time in its history, the overall resources that it has been able to allocate to its defence needs has grown significantly.

The armed forces for long have been asking for an allocation of 3 percent of the nation's GDP to defence. This has received a broad political support in recent years. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [ Images ] has been explicit about it, suggesting that 'if our economy grows at about 8 percent per annum, it will not be difficult for (the Indian government) to allocate about 3 percent of GDP for national defence.'

Parliament has also underlined the need to aim for the target of 3 percent of GDP. Yet as a percentage of GDP, the annual defence spending has declined to one of its lowest levels since 1962.

But defence expenditure alone will not solve all the problems plaguing Indian defence policy. More damagingly, for the last several years now the defence ministry has been unable to spend its budgetary allocation, this year being an exception. The defence acquisition process remains mired in corruption and bureaucratese.

A series of defence procurement scandals since late 1980s have also made the bureaucracy risk averse, thereby delaying the acquisition process. A large part of the money is surrendered by the defence forces every year given their inability to spend due to labyrinthine bureaucratic procedures involved in the procurement process.

India's indigenous defence production industry has time and again made its inadequacy to meet the demands of the armed forces apparent. The Indian armed forces keep waiting for arms and equipment while the finance ministry is left with an unspent budget year after year. Most large procurement programmes get delayed resulting in cost escalation and technological or strategic obsolescence of the budgeted items.

The Indian government is yet to demonstrate the political will to tackle the defence policy paralysis that seems to be rendering all the claims of India's rise as a military power increasingly hollow.

The capability differential between China and India is rising at an alarming rate. This will continue to constrain India's rise as a major regional and global player of any significance.

Why Indian defence needs to keep pace with China - Rediff.com India News
 
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No it does not. Think of the needs of IA to meet challenges from the PLA.
And then you begin to realize that the PA (Pakistani Army) is a far greater threat.
 
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The Indian government is yet to demonstrate the political will to tackle the defence policy paralysis that seems to be rendering all the claims of India's rise as a military power increasingly hollow.
Lots of countries are militarily weak. But only India keeps bragging about itself and then falling flat on its face over and over again. I remember when India tested the Dhanush by putting a single launch pad on a ship and calling it a "vertical launch system." :rofl: Oh goodness that one was so funny it brought tears to my eyes. Or how about the "launch" of the "indigenous" SSBN -- still without a reactor today!

And wasn't MMRCA supposed to be decided by April 1st (Fools Day) already? And wasn't Agni-VII supposed to be tested early this year too?

What would the world do without India? You give us plenty of laughs, you #1 Asian superpower. Keep them coming - Jai Hind.
 
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Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,
 
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the problem with indian media is that they always want to compare themselves with china but in reality both nations cannot be compared...
 
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Every nation has similar kind of media...even US has, i remember the par of US media in Iraq war...
 
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I am sick of such * measuring contest. Pls think before posting.
 
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Lots of countries are militarily weak. But only India keeps bragging about itself and then falling flat on its face over and over again. I remember when India tested the Dhanush by putting a single launch pad on a ship and calling it a "vertical launch system." :rofl: Oh goodness that one was so funny it brought tears to my eyes. Or how about the "launch" of the "indigenous" SSBN -- still without a reactor today!

And wasn't MMRCA supposed to be decided by April 1st (Fools Day) already? And wasn't Agni-VII supposed to be tested early this year too?

What would the world do without India? You give us plenty of laughs, you #1 Asian superpower. Keep them coming - Jai Hind.

well u do have a knack of keepig us entertained. ever tried u r hand at comedy. u r pretty good at it.

on topic why r u so worried over dhanush or MMRCA. There might be delays as in all proggramme but i m sure things will work out in the end.

last of all, There is no such thing as agni VII. may be that shows u r level of knowledge on indian defence matters.

anyways thanx for entertainment. really needed to laugh at the start of my day.
 
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Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,

'Proven' means they have used it in smaller countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam etc etc..
I have my doubts when people bring up that ever so common word. Yes we all know China has been hit with arms embargo. However we have procured many Soviet generation weapons and that happened over a decade ago and this is the 21st century you are talking about. Just take a good look at:

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With China's present economy and military funding, does it matter so much if the weapons are 'proven' against Talibans, Iraqis, Afghans, Serbians or not?
Personally I do not think so. Don't get me wrong though, America definitely has the cutting edge when it comes to weapons system and to a lesser degree the EU.
The point of my arguments is, if you really want cutting edge from western countries then it is most likely FAT chance.

Instead, you will be paying to obtain cut down versions of their so called 'proven' technology. This way you will never have the same and they will tie you down and always tempt you with 'upgrades'.
If you really want the best, then India should stop buying so much as in 'bulks' and spend more on developing and creating its own. Yes you may get accused of copying, producing something similar yadda yadda yadda... but in the end, you will have better grasp of how those things work and have better ideas of how to modify them to suite your needs. This is one area that I think China really have excelled upon over the years.

There are plenty of misconception or slandering that China is using inferior and outdated Soviet weapons. Little have they considered that those systems had been taken apart and put back together countless times for them to understand them inside out. Allowing them to modify and upgrade them at will, which is what technology is all about. Improving little steps at a time, very rarely do we get to see huge leaps from one product to the next. Take iphones for example (I know it's a silly comparison, but it serves the purpose for now). Each time a new version comes out, it is only a slight change. Most changes happens to the look.
Technological advancement is a continous process of developing and improving. When you get good enough, then you will start to make something indigenously new.

I think India is trying too hard to match China at the moment and I mean everything in general. I think being the worlds biggest importer of military technology is costing India too much, its people and economy are suffering because of it. Let us not forget, China didn't get to where we are today over night. It was through decades of dedicated hard work. I hope India's government does the sensible thing and choose its path wisely

Less competing and more on cooperating is the key to a brighter future.
 
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Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,

You hit it on the nail buddy. We are not a threat at all. :woot:
 
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Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/53930-indian-agni-bm-technology-origin.html
 
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well u do have a knack of keepig us entertained. ever tried u r hand at comedy. u r pretty good at it.

on topic why r u so worried over dhanush or MMRCA. There might be delays as in all proggramme but i m sure things will work out in the end.

last of all, There is no such thing as agni VII. may be that shows u r level of knowledge on indian defence matters.

anyways thanx for entertainment. really needed to laugh at the start of my day.

You can't do much about him. He's the great HongWu. Welcome back Sir! :hitwall:
 
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Lots of countries are militarily weak. But only India keeps bragging about itself and then falling flat on its face over and over again. I remember when India tested the Dhanush by putting a single launch pad on a ship and calling it a "vertical launch system." :rofl: Oh goodness that one was so funny it brought tears to my eyes. Or how about the "launch" of the "indigenous" SSBN -- still without a reactor today!

And wasn't MMRCA supposed to be decided by April 1st (Fools Day) already? And wasn't Agni-VII supposed to be tested early this year too?

What would the world do without India? You give us plenty of laughs, you #1 Asian superpower. Keep them coming - Jai Hind.
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Who told you that Arihant is without a reactor now.It was without a reactor when it was launched.Also learn reading a article/post with concentration it's AGNI-V not " AGNI-VII".By the way it was your Communist party controlled media which suggested AGNI-V will be tested early this year.

China provides us with a plenty of laugh by their public policies like charging US$ 60000 for a grave.
 
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Well as article says that MMS promised 3% of GDP to defence,who knows we might be spending more than we reveal just like China who spends 160+ bn $ on it's military but tells that it only spends 91.5 bn $.

As India has grown so has it's military as proved by spending the full defence budget last year.
 
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