Why Indian defence needs to keep pace with China

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,

the more unproven they are; the more powerful they will be. . No wonder what surprises they are equipped with. .

 

[casual]

Look at it this way. The chinese are bogged with defence technology embargoes. Almost everything in their inventory is a soviet era russian copy or a reverse engineered russian tech. India however, has the luxury of obtaining defence equipments and arms of the highest technology. We now have an opportunity to jumpstart our own industries and procure the best available technology.

If you look at their airforce, none of those fighters are proven. The bamboo curtain does not allow any information regarding the aircrafts to leak through. Sources we have are fanboys and educated guessess. The case is quite the same when you look at their navy or their missile research.

Im not implying chinese threat is non-existant. I'm saying it is unproven.
Regards,

well, chinese military has nothing to prove to you nor do they want to.. it's up to people that see china as a threat to find the capabilities.

 

[Tshering22]

the more unproven they are; the more powerful they will be. . No wonder what surprises they are equipped with. .

This is where analysis and estimations take place in the strategic department and proven, credible equipment are put online to test against a perceived threat.

 

[sanibhagwan]

Lots of countries are militarily weak. But only India keeps bragging about itself and then falling flat on its face over and over again. I remember when India tested the Dhanush by putting a single launch pad on a ship and calling it a "vertical launch system." Oh goodness that one was so funny it brought tears to my eyes. Or how about the "launch" of the "indigenous" SSBN -- still without a reactor today!

And wasn't MMRCA supposed to be decided by April 1st (Fools Day) already? And wasn't Agni-VII supposed to be tested early this year too?

What would the world do without India? You give us plenty of laughs, you #1 Asian superpower. Keep them coming - Jai Hind.

We are waiting for the next Great Leap Forward, Indian weapons would be redundant when the revolution does the job for us.

 

[Tshering22]

Lots of countries are militarily weak. But only India keeps bragging about itself and then falling flat on its face over and over again.

Oh the insecurity... how much are you being paid for this?

I remember when India tested the Dhanush by putting a single launch pad on a ship and calling it a "vertical launch system." Oh goodness that one was so funny it brought tears to my eyes. Or how about the "launch" of the "indigenous" SSBN -- still without a reactor today!

Is that what your People's Daily and 50 cent party informed you on controlled-censored blogs? Seriously? . BTW Arihant is going on sea trial already and its reactor has been ready more than 1 year back. Keep upto date with the defence news if you are really into it will you?

And wasn't MMRCA supposed to be decided by April 1st (Fools Day) already? And wasn't Agni-VII supposed to be tested early this year too?

MMRCA was already to be decided within this year. I know it is the only black sheep of our defence establishment apart from perhaps the artillery, but we really don't see why we have to hurry up because you are not exactly going to be striking anytime soon. So we're taking it easy.

And I never knew that we have an Agni-VII as well!? How did you come to know about that? Did the 50 cent party inform you about it or was it the venerable MSS?

What would the world do without India?

Nothing at all, since India gave the world most of its existential knowledge alongside ancient China, ancient Persia, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt.

You give us plenty of laughs, you #1 Asian superpower. Keep them coming - Jai Hind.

Glad to know we can make someone happy (for better night's sleep). We appreciate your praise. Jai Hind!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We are waiting for the next Great Leap Forward, Indian weapons would be redundant when the revolution does the job for us.

Disgusting.

You want millions of Chinese people to starve to death?

Why am I not surprised.

 

[Obambam]

Disgusting.

You want millions of Chinese people to starve to death?

Why am I not surprised.

Shameful for someone who belonged to a country with slums and starving children to suggest that to happen to another country.

 

[archangel]

'Proven' means they have used it in smaller countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam etc etc..
I have my doubts when people bring up that ever so common word. Yes we all know China has been hit with arms embargo. However we have procured many Soviet generation weapons and that happened over a decade ago and this is the 21st century you are talking about. Just take a good look at:

With China's present economy and military funding, does it matter so much if the weapons are 'proven' against Talibans, Iraqis, Afghans, Serbians or not?
Personally I do not think so. Don't get me wrong though, America definitely has the cutting edge when it comes to weapons system and to a lesser degree the EU.
The point of my arguments is, if you really want cutting edge from western countries then it is most likely FAT chance.

Instead, you will be paying to obtain cut down versions of their so called 'proven' technology. This way you will never have the same and they will tie you down and always tempt you with 'upgrades'.
If you really want the best, then India should stop buying so much as in 'bulks' and spend more on developing and creating its own. Yes you may get accused of copying, producing something similar yadda yadda yadda... but in the end, you will have better grasp of how those things work and have better ideas of how to modify them to suite your needs. This is one area that I think China really have excelled upon over the years.

There are plenty of misconception or slandering that China is using inferior and outdated Soviet weapons. Little have they considered that those systems had been taken apart and put back together countless times for them to understand them inside out. Allowing them to modify and upgrade them at will, which is what technology is all about. Improving little steps at a time, very rarely do we get to see huge leaps from one product to the next. Take iphones for example (I know it's a silly comparison, but it serves the purpose for now). Each time a new version comes out, it is only a slight change. Most changes happens to the look.
Technological advancement is a continous process of developing and improving. When you get good enough, then you will start to make something indigenously new.

I think India is trying too hard to match China at the moment and I mean everything in general. I think being the worlds biggest importer of military technology is costing India too much, its people and economy are suffering because of it. Let us not forget, China didn't get to where we are today over night. It was through decades of dedicated hard work. I hope India's government does the sensible thing and choose its path wisely

Less competing and more on cooperating is the key to a brighter future.

And with this chart, what did u prove???? That u r superior to us in every aspect.... And even it is so, what r u gonna do about it??? Attack India and make us slaves.... Buddy, keep one thing in mind.... we have a saying here that who rises the fastest and most importantly, tries to unnecessarily show off about it, also comes down the fastest....

A day will come when USA, just out of false threat issues like of Biological Weapons that it made when it attacked Iraq, would enter and plunder your country and neither Russia nor India would step-in to save you or even give a damn about it.... SO, I suggest that you should take your lessons from History and Moral Science and General Science about the advantages of making True friends over bad foes, of unity and of co-operation.... Even Goliath was taken down by David in History and Egypt by Israel in Modern History, so, think before you speak!!!!!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

.... we have a saying here that who rises the fastest and most importantly, tries to unnecessarily show off about it, also comes down the fastest....

So that would refer to India then?

China is the 2nd largest economy in the world, but you hardly hear that news in China.

The stated goal of the Chinese leadership, is for China to become a "middle income country". That is it.

India on the other hand, is not even in the top ten largest economies, and has a serious issue with poverty.

Yet you guys are already boasting about "superpower" India!

So we know who is showing off. Even though it is not backed up by any facts.

 

[Obambam]

And with this chart, what did u prove???? That u r superior to us in every aspect.... And even it is so, what r u gonna do about it??? Attack India and make us slaves.... Buddy, keep one thing in mind.... we have a saying here that who rises the fastest and most importantly, tries to unnecessarily show off about it, also comes down the fastest....

A day will come when USA, just out of false threat issues like of Biological Weapons that it made when it attacked Iraq, would enter and plunder your country and neither Russia nor India would step-in to save you or even give a damn about it.... SO, I suggest that you should take your lessons from History and Moral Science and General Science about the advantages of making True friends over bad foes, of unity and of co-operation.... Even Goliath was taken down by David in History and Egypt by Israel in Modern History, so, think before you speak!!!!!!

Not trying to prove anything. Just showing facts and talking sense.

Yeah US 'may' one day attack China and I leave the prediction work to yourself. China has US by the ball already. Their situation is nowhere near the same as India is with the US. Heck they may even plunder India first since India is so resourceful and lacks the economical ties. But let us not go that far. Deep within our hearts Chinese and Indians will always defend eachother in the times of need against westerners. Just don't let silly border issues cloud your judgements.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

India would be doing what the Soviet Union was doing constantly trying to match the US in an arms race which didn't end to good for them , rather India should be on it's own pace.

 

[acetophenol]

i will agree that china is far more better than india in economical terms. But we are definitely improving. Some 60 years ago,we were mere slaves. From nothing,we have
rised to become a power,and we are working our way to
Become a super power. We have achieved several succeses. TATA's ,WIPRO,PARLE,Infosys,Mahindra's,Relaince,Kingfisher etc are examples.

 

[Protectionist Gareth]

These views are just of a person expressed in the article...why troll over it?

 

[Obambam]

i will agree that china is far more better than india in economical terms. But we are definitely improving. Some 60 years ago,we were mere slaves. From nothing,we have
rised to become a power,and we are working our way to
Become a super power. We have achieved several succeses. TATA's ,WIPRO,PARLE,Infosys,Mahindra's,Relaince,Kingfisher etc are examples.

India is doing a great job. All I was trying to say was India can perform much better. The government just have to be wiser with its spending.

 

[acetophenol]

India is doing a great job. All I was trying to say was India can perform much better. The government just have to be wiser with its spending.

yep! We could have done better! But india clearly
Shows the merits of democracy: if one of the party
Is corrupt,the opposition will bring it to lime light and someone will end behind the bars!
This is true with development
Too.ex: in my state, the central
Govt. i.e. congress decided to
Sell rice for Rs.2/-(.05$). To gain a edge over the congress the state govt. i.e. The communist decided to sell
Rice for Rs.1/-(.025$)!

The media also does a great job. Also the laws ensure transparency. Ex:RTI Act.